Now that we've seen 3 Next Gen Players and saw how they handled the pressure of being the "favourite", it's time to admit Tennis will be worse without

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The Big 3

I always wanted to have a new champion of a grand slam, and wanted some new players to win. Then we got it in 2020 UO. Thiem was the favourite for that match, and played absolutely awful until he came in an underdog position, trailing two sets. Then he started playing better, when the pressure was off him.

Zverev was the underdog in that match and played out of his mind, until he suddenly led with a set and a break, and was the "favourite", when that pressure hit him, he rolled over.

Medvedev played a great final at UO 2019, when he was the underdog, but when he suddenly was a little "favourite" according to a bunch, he felt the pressure and played the worst match of his life.

Djokovic, Nadal, Federer never just crumbled in a GS final, okay yes RG 2008 and AO 2019, was 2 bad matches, but not comparable imo.

For me this proved that if this is the level the non big 3 will bring in a Grand Slam Final, then after today I am not sure I want the next gen to win any Grand Slam titles
 
Sinner was actually bullying Nadal in the first few games of their RG match but eventually Nadal found out that was all he had.

There was no variety or surprise of Kyrgios, Brown or Rosol.
 
The Big 3 are just monsters that never existed previously. And we had 3, not 1, of them in the last 15 years or so. When they are gone, things will just revert back to normal and we'll still have a lot of good players on tour.
 
MeatTornado said:
Medvedev has been the definition of bullying top 10 players lately.

Means bupkis once in a slam final against a legend.
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Medvedev doesn't hit big enough to conquer Djokovic, but Thiem almost pulled it off last year and Sinner has an even bigger boomstick. Maybe just a fantasy but I think he will eventually be the one to make the big 3 look old. Massive power off both wings.
 
weakera said:
Medvedev doesn't hit big enough to conquer Djokovic, but Thiem almost pulled it off last year and Sinner has an even bigger boomstick. Maybe just a fantasy but I think he will eventually be the one to make the big 3 look old. Massive power off both wings.
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He clearly showed that he has the game to beat Novak, those Bo3 wins don't come out of nowhere. Anyone can win 1 as a fluke, but he's been consistently bringing it to Novak. He just totally wilted in today's match. He has the ability to drag his opponent from side to side and wear them down, which he couldn't do at all today because he couldn't find the range on his forehand all day.

And he hits even bigger on serve than Thiem, which helps tremendously. He just couldn't back it up today.

Maybe Sinner really is the future, but I'm tired of pinning hopes on the next guy. It was supposed to be Thiem, then it became Zverev, then it became Tsitsipas, then it became Medvedev. Now it's supposed to be Sinner? But like, for real this time? I'll believe it when I see it.
 
Atennisone said:
The Big 3

I always wanted to have a new champion of a grand slam, and wanted some new players to win. Then we got it in 2020 UO. Thiem was the favourite for that match, and played absolutely awful until he came in an underdog position, trailing two sets. Then he started playing better, when the pressure was off him.

Zverev was the underdog in that match and played out of his mind, until he suddenly led with a set and a break, and was the "favourite", when that pressure hit him, he rolled over.

Medvedev played a great final at UO 2019, when he was the underdog, but when he suddenly was a little "favourite" according to a bunch, he felt the pressure and played the worst match of his life.

Djokovic, Nadal, Federer never just crumbled in a GS final, okay yes RG 2008 and AO 2019, was 2 bad matches, but not comparable imo.

For me this proved that if this is the level the non big 3 will bring in a Grand Slam Final, then after today I am not sure I want the next gen to win any Grand Slam titles
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Disagree. While Fed and Nadal both won the first slam final they were in, Djoker lost his first, then won his second.
 
MeatTornado said:
He clearly showed that he has the game to beat Novak, those Bo3 wins don't come out of nowhere. Anyone can win 1 as a fluke, but he's been consistently bringing it to Novak. He just totally wilted in today's match. He has the ability to drag his opponent from side to side and wear them down, which he couldn't do at all today because he couldn't find the range on his forehand all day.

And he hits even bigger on serve than Thiem, which helps tremendously. He just couldn't back it up today.

Maybe Sinner really is the future, but I'm tired of pinning hopes on the next guy. It was supposed to be Thiem, then it became Zverev, then it became Tsitsipas, then it became Medvedev. Now it's supposed to be Sinner? But like, for real this time? I'll believe it when I see it.
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He has the game to beat Novak, he doesn't have the game to beat "Novak" when he is playing lights out tennis as we saw today. Few do, the only answer to Djokovic today is someone who is redlining and blasting the ball for three hours. Thiem can do it, Sinner can do it, Stanimal can do it (RIP), Medvedev does not hit the ball hard enough. When Djokovic is flying high off of adrenaline and painkillers, you need an extra gear to match him that Medvedev doesn't possess, even if he can take him down at 8/10 or even 9/10 (not 10/10).

Get ready to Bull21ve :cool:
 
weakera said:
He has the game to beat Novak, he doesn't have the game to beat "Novak" when he is playing lights out tennis as we saw today. Few do, the only answer to Djokovic today is someone who is redlining and blasting the ball for three hours. Thiem can do it, Sinner can do it, Stanimal can do it (RIP), Medvedev does not hit the ball hard enough. When Djokovic is flying high off of adrenaline and painkillers, you need an extra gear to match him that Medvedev doesn't possess, even if he can take him down at 8/10 or even 9/10 (not 10/10).

Get ready to Bull21ve :cool:
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So you think that without the alleged injury, the amounts of steroids Djokovic was taking would have been illegal?
 
weakera said:
He has the game to beat Novak, he doesn't have the game to beat "Novak" when he is playing lights out tennis as we saw today. Few do, the only answer to Djokovic today is someone who is redlining and blasting the ball for three hours. Thiem can do it, Sinner can do it, Stanimal can do it (RIP), Medvedev does not hit the ball hard enough. When Djokovic is flying high off of adrenaline and painkillers, you need an extra gear to match him that Medvedev doesn't possess, even if he can take him down at 8/10 or even 9/10 (not 10/10).

Get ready to Bull21ve :cool:
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I'm not ready to believe Sinner can do it based on some top 20 wins. Once upon a time it was told that Shapovalov also had that ability to blast winners from every part of the court. But he hasn't panned out so far because he's mental. He doesn't know when to reign it in and when to let it fly.

Sinner is in that same spot. He's only 19. He's shown some impressive ballstriking, but so have plenty of guys over the years that don't become competent top players capable of challenging the Big 3.
 
MeatTornado said:
I'm not ready to believe Sinner can do it based on some top 20 wins. Once upon a time it was told that Shapovalov also had that ability to blast winners from every part of the court. But he hasn't panned out so far because he's mental. He doesn't know when to reign it in and when to let it fly.

Sinner is in that same spot. He's only 19. He's shown some impressive ballstriking, but so have plenty of guys over the years that don't become competent top players capable of challenging the Big 3.
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He's doing things at 19 that haven't been done since Djokodal, so my hopes are high, but time will certainly tell.
 
chjtennis said:
The Big 3 are just monsters that never existed previously. And we had 3, not 1, of them in the last 15 years or so. When they are gone, things will just revert back to normal and we'll still have a lot of good players onI tou
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In the late fifties and sixties, there was: Gonzalez, Rosewall, Hoad and Laver. Then there was: Trabert, Sedgman, Gimeno and Segura. Then there was: Borg, Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Edberg, Wilander and Becker- All with 6 or more slams. Then there was: Sampras- 14 slams, Agassi- 8, Courier-4
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2 years later and the top guys still aren't handling pressure well. (Still waiting on Sinner 2 years later) Carlos kind of is, but he gets injured more than a 90 year old in an folks home. Can't dominate if you're never healthy
 
My theory is the ever worsening tennis talent from each subsequent next gen, is largely the result of the financial crash.

Lots of kids from working and middle class households who were having or could have had tennis lessons, or funding from relevant organisations, suddenly had that taken away from them as the economy collapsed.

Now we're left with a vastly reduced talent pool who never faced the competition that previous generations would have faced when they were juniors.
 
The other thing I'd say about today's players is they don't treat leads as advantages, they treat them as something precious that needs to be protected. Take Sinner's loss to Djokovic at last year's Wimbledon; leading by two sets he immediately becomes a deer in headlights in set three and falls to pieces, rather than dishing out the ruthless curb-stomping he needed to.

And with this generation (and the one before, and the one before...) it keeps. On. Happening.
 
Hood_Man said:
My theory is the ever worsening tennis talent from each subsequent next gen, is largely the result of the financial crash.

Lots of kids from working and middle class households who were having or could have had tennis lessons, or funding from relevant organisations, suddenly had that taken away from them as the economy collapsed.

Now we're left with a vastly reduced talent pool who never faced the competition that previous generations would have faced when they were juniors.
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That is the problem with tennis, it is a sport for the kids who have rich parents. Sponsors can help a bit but the comptetition is already lowered from the start, unlike football or basketball. There are kids who have talent but they will never become pro players. One guy in my town was taking his kid to a local tennis school and when things should go seriously, he went to talk with tennis coach in the academy. It would cost him around 100.000 euros per year.
 
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