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Who will win the salm race after arrival of Alacaraz?

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NeutralFan

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Before arrival of Alacaraz Djokodal were set to win 26-28 slams respectively but Alcaraz will steal some slams off him for sure. How Alcaraz entry will affect Slam race between the big 2? Will he be a bigger problem for Nadal or for Djokovic ?who do you see winning the slam race ? Discuss.
 
NeutralFan

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spottishwood said:
Getting bageled and looking tired in the last set is what you mean by being the fittest?
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Mate, he's coming off after long break and almost no practice. Didn't you see last year's FO final? How Tsitispas was left with no energy in last two sets while Novak was still fresh and dominated him. After playing for almost 8 hours in Rome in 2 days he said he could have played for another few hours.
 
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NeutralFan said:
Mate, he's coming off after long break and almost no practice. Didn't you see last year's FO final? How Tsitispas was left with no energy in last two sets while Novak was still fresh and dominated him. After playing for almost 8 hours in Rome in 2 days he said he could have played for another few hours.
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There's a humongous difference between Tsitsipas and Alcaraz. One is a Ferrer level player, other one is the ATG level talent. Alcaraz will smack him left to right.
 
NeutralFan

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spottishwood said:
There's a humongous difference between Tsitsipas and Alcaraz. One is a Ferrer level player, other one is the ATG level talent. Alcaraz will smack him left to right.
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We were talking about Djokovic fitness ,no? He is super fit and it was evident last year. Relax, Alcaraz won't hit his peak before 22.
 
NeutralFan

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spottishwood said:
OP's threads have a good bump potential. He'll need to eat those words and delete his account to save face.
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I have never been wrong , my friend. After 2008 AO semi i said Djokovic will more slams than Fed.. anyway, i didn't predict anything as far as slam race is concerned. Imo, either of one will win 25 slams. That i can guarantee.
 
NeutralFan

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spottishwood said:
This thread will get bumped to eternity unless OP requests the mods to delete it :-D
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I gave all options so there's nothing wrong even though probability of that happening is very low.
I'll trolled only if slam race winners happen to have less than 23 slams and that's impossible.
 
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Cupcake

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NeutralFan said:
We were talking about Djokovic fitness ,no? He is super fit and it was evident last year.
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But the same fitness level has not been evident this year at all. Quite the contrary when considering his 3rd set collapses. Yes, he played Alcaraz to 3 in Madrid, and looked much improved. But Novaks two prior matches there were a walkover and a semi walkover vs Hubie so he was well rested. And much was on the line (playing against the young kid). Rome should be more telling, perhaps as early as today vs Karatsev.
 
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Gt86

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NeutralFan said:
Before arrival of Alacaraz Djokodal were set to win 26-28 slams respectively but Alcaraz will steal some slams off him for sure. How Alcaraz entry will affect Slam race between the big 2? Will he be a bigger problem for Nadal or for Djokovic ?who do you see winning the slam race ? Discuss.
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Honestly think it will stay either as it is or Djokovic gets one more at Wimbledon. Djokovic will never be outright holder of the Slam record now or get an Olympic Gold so one senses he will be frustrated he never quite crossed the finish line so to speak.
It's not even clear if Djokovic will be allowed to play USO or AO either so realistically only way he gets slam record is doing the Channel Slam this year. I can't see it. If he did it then I'd bow down as what an amazing achievement that would be.
Nadal to be blunt is not fit enough. Been watching some of the Madrid matches he played specifically the BH shots and his foot is not right. He is not putting weight on his foot which means he cannot hit dtl BHs flat and hard. Players have cottoned on to this as now they are serving out wide In the deuce Court an awful lot against him.
If he does badly at RG and by badly for him anything less than a SF appearance I think he may retire. Some of his recent comments have been interesting about the foot and his remark about the dream being to get to RG healthy this year and having one lost shot at a deep run was in my view very very telling. Also his body language after he lost to Alcaraz where he was smiling was a first for him after a loss as usually he is miserable looking after any loss. Then add his outspoken comments about Alcaraz going on to win the event after he lost to him and before the Djokovic match and his congratulatory tweet when he won the title, its a un rafa like in respect of how he acts with rivals to him for winning slams. Just seems to me he will see how his body reacts at Rome and RG and how he performs.
Retiring with the Slam record would be awesome. It is what Federer should have done really in hindsight. Losing any record once retired is irrelevant as Sampras alluded to. Nothing one can do when retired. I am sure Rafa may have a similar mindset. He will play as long as he enjoys playing. But as he has said he enjoys playing when healthy. So reading between the lines Rome and RG will determine much for him.
 
Joshua Jackson

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Where is the option of Djokovic with 24 slams? At this point I wouldn't make any guesses, maybe after the French Open. If Rafa gets beaten by Alcaraz/Novak then it is a big reason to worry for Nadal since his foot might have virtually ended his slam winning days for all we know. In the case of Djokovic the way he was moving against Karatsev, damn, until that movement wanes he will keep on winning slams. Carlos can stop him on Clay but not outside it, he still looks good enough to win slams for at least 3 more years, this despite his stupid vegan diet, no idea where he is getting all this energy from.
 
NeutralFan

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Joshua Jackson said:
Where is the option of Djokovic with 24 slams? At this point I wouldn't make any guesses, maybe after the French Open. If Rafa gets beaten by Alcaraz/Novak then it is a big reason to worry for Nadal since his foot might have virtually ended his slam winning days for all we know. In the case of Djokovic the way he was moving against Karatsev, damn, until that moving wanes he will keep on winning slams. Carlos can stop him on Clay but not outside it, he still looks good enough to win slams for at least 3 more years, this despite his stupid vegan diet, no idea where he is getting all this energy from.
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And here are people who claim his movement has declined a lot. Compare his current movement to any other 35 year old in history and it's the best movement, far better than Nadal has it at 35. Djokovic's movement is not that far off his prime.
 
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Gt86 said:
If he does badly at RG and by badly for him anything less than a SF appearance I think he may retire. Some of his recent comments have been interesting about the foot and his remark about the dream being to get to RG healthy this year and having one lost shot at a deep run was in my view very very telling.
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I've been an ardent Rafa fan for almost 2 decades. I think his retirement is close. If he stays healthy, he'll play RG and W (he loves grass and hasn;'t played there for 2 years), and I think he might want to play one more USO because he never got to defend his last title there. And then defend the AO because it was so meaningful. And probably because RG is close, one last whack at that. So, probably in about a year, and he's gone. I think he's looking forward to retirement but started the year so well, he just can't yet do it. That's reading between the lines.
 
Lleytonstation

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NeutralFan said:
It's funny how people think neither of the two will win more than one or two slams and think 19 year old Carlos will stop them in all slams. If Djokovic plays AO then he's not stopping before 24 slams and Nadal if his fitness holds up will also add few more slams.
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Tiny Carlos isn't winning at WC either. Can't wait for that 2nd round loss to Mayer.
 
Joshua Jackson

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NeutralFan said:
And here are people who claim his movement has declined a lot. Compare his current movement to any other 35 year old in history and it's the best movement, far better than Nadal has it at 35. Djokovic's movement is not that far off his prime.
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I don't know why would anyone feel that, maybe Novak lags a bit in energy compared to his prime but the movement is right up there like you said.
The Forehands, backhands, lobs etc etc all are basic hand eye coordination, it doesn't wane that easily till 40s if you practice daily, the movement is what determines whether a shot is a winner or an unforced error. Djokovic has the most powerful weapon at his disposal, i.e movement. Fed lost it by the late 00s, Nadal lost it by the mid 2010s, Novak has it even now in 2022, thats why he still is the world number 1 at almost 35 years of age.
 
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Lleytonstation said:
Tiny Carlos isn't winning at WC either. Can't wait for that 2nd round loss to Mayer.
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Joshua Jackson said:
I don't know why would anyone feel that, maybe Novak lags a bit in energy compared to his prime but the movement is right up there like you said.
The Forehands, backhands, lobs etc etc all are basic hand eye coordination, it doesn't wane that easily till 40s if you practice daily, the movement is what determines whether a shot is a winner or an unforced error. Djokovic has the most powerful weapon at his disposal, i.e movement. Fed lost it by the late 00s, Nadal lost it by the mid 2010s, Novak has it even now in 2022, thats why he still is the world number 1 at almost 35 years of age.
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Their Logic here is he's 35 so naturally he should be slow. He's not far off his prime movement because he's lighter, he's fitter. You made a very good point that his game is so much dependent upon his movement and trust me i have been waiting for his movement to decline a lot but didn't see much change in last 3 years and i don't think it will decline more in next two either. On top of that his serve has also improved now , there might be some inconsistency in Fh and bh compared to peak years but i refuse to buy that his movement has declined that much to be a factor.

This is from his last year's AO


And then there are clowns who think Murray 2012 -2015 is a better player than this Djokovic
 
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Djokovic will take atleast 2 slams, probably at wimbledon and maybe AO. Nadal finish with 21.
 
AO13

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It will be a miracle if Djokovic wins more than 3 slams untill the end of his career, and Rafa more than 1 slam.

Heck, I even doubt Djokovic can win 3 more slams.
 
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i'm afraid djo will take it in the end..and the final slam number is 20-21-22;) (nadal got sandwiched once again)
 
NeutralFan

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alexio said:
i'm afraid djo will take it in the end..and the final slam number is 20-21-22;) (nadal got sandwiched once again)
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So you think Djokovic win only 2 more slams and Rafa will not win not win anymore slam. Interesting, will be nice bump.
 
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