Well , this is nothing official, just doing it for fun. I'm a player that likes to think much. Plus , I really like the NTRP scales on the net since they show what's needed to improve in order to get to the next level.SageOfDeath said:If you don't mind me asking. Why are you determining other player's NTRPs?
I agree with your first paragraph... but I'm quite sure your second para is guessing. It's impossible to learn all the shots at that level. And it's not mainly consistency after 4.5.donnyz89 said:from tons of players be4 that wants know their NTRP ratings... my suggestions is stay away from scales on the internet, it will REALLY dissappoint you when you figure out your REAL rating as oppose to your selfrating with the internet. I think at first, i rated myself at least 1.0 higher...
but basically, u learn all the shots til about 3.5 4.0, then its all about consistancy and strategy and tactics. mainly consistancy. its gonna raise by like 200% every 0.5 lv after 4.5...
You can say all that... but at the end of it all... am I right that you're guessing all this or basing this on what you think you know? I mean if you're a teaching pro or coach that is certified to rate people, sure, but I personally think your guidelines are as misleading or more misleading than those from official tennis websites.donnyz89 said:all the shots mean, I can have pros feed me backhand, forehand, volley, overhead and I can make all those shots without missing them like idiots. There are 2.5, 3.0 players that cant hit 10 backhands over the net in a row that are being fed to them.
and if its not mainly consistancy, i dont know what is. yes, the inner part of the game has to improve as far as mental, strategize, but at 4.5, most people can serve a 110 mph ball or hit a kick serve but as you get better, your placement and pace has to be more consistant, meaning, at 4.5 u might be able to place 5/10 passing shots whereever u want, and u CAN do those things, but 5/10 is hardly enough. 5.0 will be 9/10 on the same shot and 5/10 on a more difficult shot. those are not shots u DONT KNOW how to make, u just cant make it on a consistant bases. so by 4.0 its not about can u hit a backhand, its more about can u PLACE your backhand and HOW many times in a row can u place it whereever u want and the depth and everything.
my meaning of consistancy doesnt mean like getting the ball over the net, but placement, height, depth consistancy. by 4.0, u can do them but not consistant under pressure or pace etc... hope i make sense.
What consistency part? That power depth direction are all part of consistency? Or that it is mainly consistency to improve in levels and that consistency increases 200%?All Court said:I'm agreeing on the consistency part. Southpaw, when people are 4.0s they have all the shots. They have the weapons they are going to have for the rest of their life. At that level, they have their depth and power and big strokes.
Everything above is how well you can pull it off under pressure. That IS consistency. In a full on war, can they keep up with each ball and send it back again? They have to crack the same shots they had at a 4.0 level, but in all kinds of situations.
So I don't think there's something like a "5.0 stroke" or "7.0" stroke, just the same stroke under pressure. Usually, the people hitting the ball as hard as they can at the "3.0 level" are 3.0s because they don't move their feet enough, and when the conditions aren't ideal can't keep that ball in play. But as they move up they learn to keep it in.'
Just my two cents.
k. you can define consistency however you like. tho this thread is about ntrp not consistency. look at your quote above. i want you to trust when i say i can have a nice rally at a fast pace without hitting groundstrokes out. i also want you to trust when i say it's highly unlikely that i'm 4.0 or 4.5, especially since i'm unrated. i won't be surprised if in fact i lose to a 3.5 out of sheer nerve. why? because i'm unrated and not playing tournaments.donnyz89 said:when u get to 4.0 or 4.5, u can have a nice rally at a medium pace without hitting backhands way out like u would at 3.0 because u havent "learned" the stroke completely yet.
cak said:The way to truely determine your NTRP unfortunately takes a season. First, you find people around you that play pretty even with you. That means when playing against them you win about half the time, or all your matches someone wins by one service break per set or less. (6-4, 6-4 for instance). Then find out what NTRP they are. Then self rate yourself on the computer at that rating. (Note, many captains will talk folks into rating below the people they play even with. For instance, if they play even with some 3.5 guys they tell them to rate at 3.0 and play on the 3.0 team. This in itself is ethical. Often match play will bring out jitters and lower one's game. However if this player then steps in and starts killing folks, it moves to the sandbagging range. An ethical person will stop playing at the lower level and move to a higher rated team.) Once you have self rated, join a league team or play in some NTRP tournaments at your rating. The following November if you've played more than two matches you will receive a computer NTRP. (The more matches you play the more accurate it is.) That's a true NTRP. Anyone that tells you their rating before you can see it on Tennislink as a computer rating is just guessing.
that was my original view on his thread as far as determining NTRP rating. and I added if u want to improve your NTRP rating and win against better players, its consistancy that can help you win at higher lvs. whether its serve or vollies or approach shots etc...cak said:The following November if you've played more than two matches you will receive a computer NTRP. (The more matches you play the more accurate it is.) That's a true NTRP. Anyone that tells you their rating before you can see it on Tennislink as a computer rating is just guessing.
i use to be pretty crazy about those NTRP ratings. but they are not really that useful imo unless u need to use them for leagues and tournaments. otherwise just focus on your game, your performance speaks louder than numbers.