you're welcome.I have no idea. I’ll be sure to bring it up to them and let them know some random on the internet is triggered. That should do the trick. Thanks!
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you're welcome.I have no idea. I’ll be sure to bring it up to them and let them know some random on the internet is triggered. That should do the trick. Thanks!
Top D3 schools are legit, but the vast majority are effectively a continuation of average high school tennis, dinking and all.Idk if I’ve ever met a d3 or d2 player below A 4. Maybe club level /gym extra curricular activities sure. But newbies start at what a 2.5 ? Calling someone a 3.0 who’s played competitively for years is uneducated
High school dink tennis is legit tennis too.Top D3 schools are legit, but the vast majority are effectively a continuation of average high school tennis, dinking and all.
If your D2 D3 your 3.5s at very least. No way you’re 3.0s-that’s bull ****!!! Same if you’ve been 4.5 then taking 2 years or so off, your not 3.0s that’s how you can manipulate ratings and main reason to get rid of self ratings.
Makes sense. I find usta just too time consuming and having to be available.I know multiple guys who got bumped to 4.5 and 5.0 and simply stopped playing USTA and appealed down each year. After a year or 2 off, they were able to play down again. The reason is not nefarious, they just want to play with their group of friends.
I'm not afraid to play 4.5 lol. I play many leagues in 4.5 level. Just don't care to play USTA'sThen you shouldn’t be so afraid to play 4.5.
I think usta leagues have forces acting that depress ratings (captains pushing new recruits to self-rate low), while other leagues might have forces pushing the opposite direction (players wanting to believe they are good).I do have the impressions that most other leagues inflate ratings relative to USTA. In USTA I'm mid-range 4.5 (definitely nowhere near being bumped up), but there's a few other leagues I've played, and though they generally look like they align ratings to USTA, the numbers end up being higher. I was bumped up to 5.5 in one (and the level of play was about mid-range USTA 4.5), I've been at the top of a few leagues that are listed as "4.5" when compare to USTA they're really not.
Perfect. Then no reason to complain about leagues and ratings.Makes sense. I find usta just too time consuming and having to be available.
I'm not afraid to play 4.5 lol. I play many leagues in 4.5 level. Just don't care to play USTA's
The forum doubles as usta league post-traumatic stress syndrome therapy.The ones that don’t play USTA god bless you!!! The ones that do are idiots.
The forum doubles as usta league post-traumatic stress syndrome therapy.
The USTA knows something most of you don't know.
It doesn't matter.
Not complaining. My point was 4.5 players in multiple leagues and the level was clearly there - claiming they play usta 3.5. That’s my experience in terms of questioning legitimacy of how usta allows players to play down a league in doubles.Perfect. Then no reason to complain about leagues and ratings.
Trust, but verify.claiming they play usta 3.5
I never played usta teams. Just singles tourneys back in HS so.Trust, but verify.
I've run into plenty of players making statements about "their rating". I've since learn to just go and look them up on tennislink and the usta site. That way you can find out if they are computer rated or not.
You keep lifting weights, I’m gonna keep lifting league titles.The ones that don’t play USTA god bless you!!! The ones that do are idiots.
I will!!! Rather have muscles instead of being fat out shape playing in rigged corrupt USTA leaguesYou keep lifting weights, I’m gonna keep lifting league titles.
This quote would make a good signature.I will!!! Rather have muscles instead of being fat out shape playing in rigged corrupt USTA leagues
It does with meaningless tennis birthday socials after league at 9pm-you can’t lose weight if you eat drink that late you just can’t!!! Same with going out after matches-1.5 hour match shouldn’t turn into a 5+hour event afterwards. 4pm match = getting home 9pm then you have to do post match foam rolling/stretching/Epsom salt bath which takes 3 hours/not getting to bed until midnight at very earliest/5:30/7pm matches are worse. So don’t give that crap you mentioned. Just stop with this!!!I fail to see how playing USTA leagues, makes you eat terribly and get fat. Sounds like a self control issue to me, but at this time, we have to concede that accountability is a thing of the past. It's always someone else's fault.
Someone forced you to do these things?It does with meaningless tennis birthday socials after league at 9pm-you can’t lose weight if you eat drink that late you just can’t!!! Same with going out after matches-1.5 hour match shouldn’t turn into a 5+hour event afterwards. 4pm match = getting home 9pm then you have to do post match foam rolling/stretching/Epsom salt bath which takes 3 hours/not getting to bed until midnight at very earliest/5:30/7pm matches are worse. So don’t give that crap you mentioned. Just stop with this!!!
He does have a point. I always crave the root beer float at the pub at team dinner after my usta mixed matches.Someone forced you to do these things?
He could have had a nice Athletic Greens shake with them or some green tea.He does have a point. I always crave the root beer float at the pub at team dinner after my usta mixed matches.
I tend to crave the ice cold beer after the match.He does have a point. I always crave the root beer float at the pub at team dinner after my usta mixed matches.
YesSomeone forced you to do these things?
What other sports have a good rating system for adult recreational players though? I feel like tennis players on this forum have unrealistic expectations for NTRP and any other rating system. Imagine what a rating system for non-professional adults would look like for football or basketball. How would you tell bad fat adult 38 year old QB from a slightly less bad fat adult 38 year old QB? You think golfers don’t fudge their handicap?
True.I feel like tennis players on this forum have unrealistic expectations for NTRP
Agree. For me, NTRP does what is supposed to, which is to provide me mostly competitive, sometimes compatible, tennis matches. There will be outliers in any system.The NTRP system works fine.
I’m still amazed at how wide the disparity between my good days and my bad days can be.True.
I did have "unrealistic expectations" about NTRP until I played USTA league. I'm still amazed at how wide each NTRP band can be.
Sounds like a more sustainable business model than UTR.I'm considering creating a new app targeted for USTA team captains and members.
It will be called:
BOO-TennisEE CALL
You just click on the button in the app at least an hour before your match and the nearest ringer will be summoned to come play for you.
I will test the app in Nasheville first.
The people cheating need to be banned from USTA foreverThe NTRP system works fine.
The people cheating the system are the problem and any system is going to have that issue.
The people cheating need to be banned from USTA forever
“I’m just gonna take a mulligan on that one.”You think golfers don’t fudge their handicap?
What other sports have a good rating system for adult recreational players though? I feel like tennis players on this forum have unrealistic expectations for NTRP and any other rating system. Imagine what a rating system for non-professional adults would look like for football or basketball. How would you tell bad fat adult 38 year old QB from a slightly less bad fat adult 38 year old QB? You think golfers don’t fudge their handicap?
“I’m just gonna take a mulligan on that one.”
They actually have a NTRP self rate chart guideline that people don't seem to follow/understand such as: USTA staff, capts, & players. It's only really a problem if a player lies on the self-rate bc then that team will probs get burned but you don't even need to do that anymore as USTA states the guidelines are only a reference now and they can DQ anyone who rate honestly still if there is enough complaints.I found the problem for USTA adult leagues has many layers.
1. Lots of people don't really understand the NTRP system because no one is explaining it right.
2. The self-rate system needs to be improved because cheating is only human.
3. "Professional" captains are selecting players according to their TR levels so those very high level teams are always the same people and the same captains.
4. Men like to beat up on others and many prefer sandbagging to honesty. They also self-rate too low.
5. Women like to play at higher levels than their ability. They also self-rate too high.
6. Many local league coordinators are being paid per registration. So, cheating captains with 24 teams will often be left alone and complainers will be punished.
Shall I go on?