NTRP singles as a junior

MasterMao

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So there is a local adult open tournament offering $$$ to NTRP singles winners. (Weird I know)
Men's 5.5 Winner $200 , Men's 4.5 Winner $200 , Men's 3.5 Winner $200...

Here's my problem:
I haven't played a singles tournament in years and only recently have I started playing doubles tournaments.

So should I just sign up for 3.5? Or can they disqualify me for being to good? (I honestly don't know if I am.)

EDIT: Here's the tournament: http://tennislink.usta.com/tournaments/TournamentHome/Tournament.aspx?T=158461#&&s=0

(Aka I'm in SOCAL)
 
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Doc Hollidae

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Where the tournament being held at? Is it a USTA sanctioned tourney? Most likely its just a local thing, so they use USTA ratings as reference, but I doubt they would disqualify you from a tourney like USTA could.
 
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esgee48

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I think you have to show proof of rating to sign up for this tournament. Reason is the 3.5, 4.5 and 5.5 NTRP split. Without such proof, you could be a 4.5 signing up for Mens 3.5.
 

atatu

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If you're a junior as the thread title indicates, you have to play "Open" - at least here in Texas.
 
So there is a local adult open tournament offering $$$ to NTRP singles winners. (Weird I know)
Men's 5.5 Winner $200 , Men's 4.5 Winner $200 , Men's 3.5 Winner $200...

Here's my problem:
I haven't played a singles tournament in years and only recently have I started playing doubles tournaments.

So should I just sign up for 3.5? Or can they disqualify me for being to good? (I honestly don't know if I am.)

EDIT: Here's the tournament: http://tennislink.usta.com/tournaments/TournamentHome/Tournament.aspx?T=158461#&&s=0

(Aka I'm in SOCAL)

LOL. As a junior you won't be eligible (unless you're prepared to fake your age, in which case it will be pretty obvious how old you are when you turn up on court). Nice try though :D
 

MasterMao

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And will lose ncaa eligibility for taking prize money
I have no interest in playing college tennis. There are a few 5 stars and 4 stars that play tennis at my high school and their practice schedules are crazy... I could never commit that much time to tennis.
LOL. As a junior you won't be eligible (unless you're prepared to fake your age, in which case it will be pretty obvious how old you are when you turn up on court). Nice try though :D
Is that so? So confirmed you can not play NTRP tournaments as a junior? Looks like I'll be doing men's open doubles then.
 

J_R_B

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How can I prove it?
Here are the NTRP minimum rating guidelines:

https://assets-ssl.usta.com/assets/1/15/10013_experience_player_ntrp_guidelines.pdf

If they allow juniors to play in the NTRP draw, then the guidelines that apply to you would be the high school tennis and junior ranking ones.

High school:
Played varsity - 3.5
State championship semis or finals (singles or doubles) - 4.0

Junior:
Top 150 nationally, top 10 section - 5.5
151-450 nationally, top 20 section - 5.0
451-800 nationally - 4.5
 

J_R_B

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NTRP tourneys here allow juniors 14 & over to play.
There is a tournament here that uses NTRP to set up their draws, and they let kids any age play in the NTRP draws, but it is non-sanctioned, so they can do whatever they want anyway.
 

Ihatetennis

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Here are the NTRP minimum rating guidelines:

https://assets-ssl.usta.com/assets/1/15/10013_experience_player_ntrp_guidelines.pdf

If they allow juniors to play in the NTRP draw, then the guidelines that apply to you would be the high school tennis and junior ranking ones.

High school:
Played varsity - 3.5
State championship semis or finals (singles or doubles) - 4.0

Junior:
Top 150 nationally, top 10 section - 5.5
151-450 nationally, top 20 section - 5.0
451-800 nationally - 4.5
These guidelines are a little skewed for texas

Top 100 guys in Texas are at least 5.0

And usually state tournament(big school) is tougher than most national tournaments. Mostly 4 5 and blue chips
 

J_R_B

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These guidelines are a little skewed for texas

Top 100 guys in Texas are at least 5.0

And usually state tournament(big school) is tougher than most national tournaments. Mostly 4 5 and blue chips
Yeah, they don't have state-specific guidelines, and in the bigger states especially, they're not going to fit well. I can imagine FL or CA is even worse. Even in NJ, the entire starting lineup of the TOC semifinalist teams are at least 4.5, and the NJSIAA singles semifinalists are typically 5.5 D1 recruits. In KS or ID or whatever, 4.0 is probably OK.
 

norcal

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I have no interest in playing college tennis. There are a few 5 stars and 4 stars that play tennis at my high school and their practice schedules are crazy... I could never commit that much time to tennis.

Is that so? So confirmed you can not play NTRP tournaments as a junior? Looks like I'll be doing men's open doubles then.

In the OP you were wondering if you could play 3.5. If that is an honest question whatsoever you do not belong in the Open doubles draw. Like you won't win a point. If a player shows up and wins singles and doubles opens he will go home with $1250. That's going to attract some strong open players.
 

J_R_B

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In the OP you were wondering if you could play 3.5. If that is an honest question whatsoever you do not belong in the Open doubles draw. Like you won't win a point. If a player shows up and wins singles and doubles opens he will go home with $1250. That's going to attract some strong open players.
Depends how deep the draw is. There is a prize money tournament here every summer where the winner is always a 5.5-6.0 level player, but the draw is typically 128 in singles and 64 in doubles, and there are 4.5 and even some adventuresome 4.0 players somewhere in the draw. If you draw a seed in the first round, it's going to be lights out pretty quickly, but you could also draw another weaker team and have a good match.
 

Ihatetennis

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A tournament HAT along with a beautiful catered lunch (this is NOT all you can eat! Last year ONE of you tried to take advantage of this lunch and of course tried to ruin it for everyone, this is NOT acceptable) will be provided for ALL PLAYERS.

I lol at this

 

norcal

Legend
Depends how deep the draw is. There is a prize money tournament here every summer where the winner is always a 5.5-6.0 level player, but the draw is typically 128 in singles and 64 in doubles, and there are 4.5 and even some adventuresome 4.0 players somewhere in the draw. If you draw a seed in the first round, it's going to be lights out pretty quickly, but you could also draw another weaker team and have a good match.

Yeah I was basing my statement on location (SoCal) and the amount of good players there. There is a 5.5 division AND Opens. I guess they could draw some beginners who thinks Open is the lowest level, lol.
 

J_R_B

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Yeah I was basing my statement on location (SoCal) and the amount of good players there. There is a 5.5 division AND Opens. I guess they could draw some beginners who thinks Open is the lowest level, lol.
LOL, here 5.0-5.5 is open. I've never seen an NTRP draw over 4.5.
 

norcal

Legend
Yellow team from the '3.5 Nationals Vid' should def sign up for opens. I wonder if they're still in SoCal?
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Moveforwardalways

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If you are less than 18, you have to play age group juniors or open. If you sign up for 3.5 as a 16 year old, you'll be met with scowls by all the 50 year old hacks out there.
 

okdude1992

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Yea just looking at the guys who already signed up for the Open...This is a solid tournament. To be expected since winner get's 1K, and the top 4 seeds get hotel comped.
 

Moveforwardalways

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Just sign up!!!
If you're level is there and your fitness is better so be it

Go have fun and join it!

I agree, just go have fun.

OP you will get some scowls from old guys if you sign up for 3.5. But if they beat you, they'll be beating their chest and bragging to all the 50 year old honeys about how they took down the young buck kid. :)
 

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
So there is a local adult open tournament offering $$$ to NTRP singles winners. (Weird I know)
Men's 5.5 Winner $200 , Men's 4.5 Winner $200 , Men's 3.5 Winner $200...

Here's my problem:
I haven't played a singles tournament in years and only recently have I started playing doubles tournaments.

So should I just sign up for 3.5? Or can they disqualify me for being to good? (I honestly don't know if I am.)

EDIT: Here's the tournament: http://tennislink.usta.com/tournaments/TournamentHome/Tournament.aspx?T=158461#&&s=0

(Aka I'm in SOCAL)

Go play the 3.5 but try to get 2 solid weeks of playing in !!!!
They will want to take out any cocky young upstart lol
 

MasterMao

New User
You should make sure you watch the 5.5 tourney as well.. Fun to watch such super high level players.
I've watched high level matches at CIF State when I went with my high school. (Jacob Brumm vs Michael Genender)
Those matches are fun to watch but I was sitting there amazed by their pace and ball placement.
 

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
I always enjoy watching 5.0 to 5.5 guys when I can.

Amazing how good they are.
And they are nowhere even close to the pros.
 
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