Number of Big Titles won with Best of 5 Finals

Razer

G.O.A.T.
Number of Big Titles won with Best of 5 Finals

01. Federer - 31
02. Nadal - 28
03. Sampras - 27
04. Djokovic - 25
05. Lendl - 22
06. Borg - 20
07. Becker - 20
08. Mcenroe - 19
09. Laver - 18
10. Agassi - 17
11. Connors - 14
12. Wilander - 11
13. Nastase - 10
14. Muster - 9
15. Rosewall - 9
16. Edberg - 8
17. Courier - 8
18. Newcombe - 8
19. Kuerten - 7
20. Safin - 6
21. Ashe - 7
22. Vilas - 6
23. Murray - 5

Too bad Djokovic seems to have lost all his ATP Finals titles in this list due to them being BO3.
 

Europa1

Rookie
Number of Big Titles won with Best of 5 Finals

01. Federer - 31
02. Nadal - 28
03. Sampras - 27
04. Djokovic - 25
05. Lendl - 22
06. Borg - 20
07. Becker - 20
08. Mcenroe - 19
09. Laver - 18
10. Agassi - 17
11. Connors - 14
12. Wilander - 11
13. Nastase - 10
14. Muster - 9
15. Rosewall - 9
16. Edberg - 8
17. Courier - 8
18. Newcombe - 8
19. Kuerten - 7
20. Safin - 6
21. Ashe - 7
22. Vilas - 6
23. Murray - 5

Too bad Djokovic seems to have lost all his ATP Finals titles in this list due to them being BO3.
WTF order
1. Sampras
2. Federer
3. Djokovic
 

GoatNo1

Hall of Fame
the only relevant thing that really counts is the numbers of big titles, best of 5 or best of 3 is irrelevant.

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it is also interesting that the leading tennis association still ranks OG below the masters!
 
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Razer

G.O.A.T.
the only relevant thing that really counts is the numbers of big titles, best of 5 or best of 3 is irrelevant.

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it is also interesting that the leading tennis association still ranks OG below the masters!

Not it is not irrelevant, maybe for kids like you it is irrelevant, but actual fans of the game like best of 5 sets and that is what separates the best players from the lesser ones. Djokovic would have won most of those titles if they were best of 5, but at the same time you cannot say things like bo5 or b3 does not matter.
 

GoatNo1

Hall of Fame
Not it is not irrelevant, maybe for kids like you it is irrelevant, but actual fans of the game like best of 5 sets and that is what separates the best players from the lesser ones. Djokovic would have won most of those titles if they were best of 5, but at the same time you cannot say things like bo5 or b3 does not matter.
it has absolutely nothing to do with whether the game is played in the best of 5 or best of 3 format for the credibility of the champion! how can it be nole's mistake that he didn't win in the best of 5 sets if it is played in the best of 3 format? what's next, fewer titles on the carpet or wooden surface? blue clay? mixed grass-clay? nonsense. everyone can win only those tournaments that exist and in the format in which they are played! and bigger format favor the better player and it would be better for nole so change of the format was a handicap for him.
 

Razer

G.O.A.T.
it has absolutely nothing to do with whether the game is played in the best of 5 or best of 3 format for the credibility of the champion! how can it be nole's mistake that he didn't win in the best of 5 sets if it is played in the best of 3 format? what's next, fewer titles on the carpet or wooden surface? blue clay? mixed grass-clay? nonsense. everyone can win only those tournaments that exist and in the format in which they are played! and bigger format favor the better player and it would be better for nole so change of the format was a handicap for him.

Yeah not his fault but that still doesn't mean BO3 is comparable to BO5.

It is also true that WTF titles won in the 90s have more value than those won in 2010s.
 

GoatNo1

Hall of Fame
Yeah not his fault but that still doesn't mean BO3 is comparable to BO5.

It is also true that WTF titles won in the 90s have more value than those won in 2010s.
you can value in any way you want but that will not change the fact that nole is the grandest at the grand slams, the champion of the YECs and the master of the masters!
 

Razer

G.O.A.T.
you can value in any way you want but that will not change the fact that nole is the grandest at the grand slams, the champion of the YECs and the master of the masters!

Who cares if Nole in grandest at grand slams and champion of YEC ???
Maybe you do, I don't .... tennis does not revolve around Nole for me.
 

GoatNo1

Hall of Fame
No, I am not Serbia so I dont care for him like you do. I am not even from the western countries. I don't give a sh1t for Nole. I am a tennis fan only, not a fanatic of any player.
i did not mean in a positive way, but you seems to care a lot anyway
 

Razer

G.O.A.T.
i did not mean in a positive way, but you seems to care a lot anyway

No I don't. It is your insecurity which makes you feel that people are out here to target your Nole. Get over your inferiority complex and also focus on something in life other than Nole, his tennis achievements are his own, not yours, you have no reason to be proud of him. This nationalistic pride which you might feel over his records is hollow IMO. In an individual sport everyone is playing for their own glory, not for country's.
 

Razer

G.O.A.T.
Pathetic attempt

Why don't we take new polls brother

Attempt at what ? I am highlighting that lots of classic 5 set matches were missed by Tennis as mentioned by @BauerAlmeida above. Thats why Nole's and even Fedal's counts are lower. Lot of exciting 3 set matches we've had in last 15-20 years should have been 5 setters. This recent Alcaraz-Nole match at Cinci should also have gone 5 sets but could Nole have won that? Maybe he would have, or maybe not, who knows ? The suspense and doubt will always be there @nachiket nolefam
 
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Europa1

Rookie
Perhaps the lack of BO5 Masters events are one of the reasons why Nextgens are not winning slams. How is BO3 a proper warm-up to BO5?
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Number of Big Titles won with Best of 5 Finals

01. Federer - 31
02. Nadal - 28
03. Sampras - 27
04. Djokovic - 25
05. Lendl - 22
06. Borg - 20
07. Becker - 20
08. Mcenroe - 19
09. Laver - 18
10. Agassi - 17
11. Connors - 14
12. Wilander - 11
13. Nastase - 10
14. Muster - 9
15. Rosewall - 9
16. Edberg - 8
17. Courier - 8
18. Newcombe - 8
19. Kuerten - 7
20. Safin - 6
21. Ashe - 7
22. Vilas - 6
23. Murray - 5

Too bad Djokovic seems to have lost all his ATP Finals titles in this list due to them being BO3.

You can't blame Djokovic or other players for change in format of masters final. It's impossible to win if there's no BO5 final. Let's be fair
 

Razer

G.O.A.T.
You can't blame Djokovic or other players for change in format of masters final. It's impossible to win if there's no BO5 final. Let's be fair

Agreed, not the mistake of Djokovic or others, infact Novak would benefit if matches went 5 instead of wrapped up in 3.
 

Razer

G.O.A.T.
Not sure since he was majoring in minors till 2015(except 2011)

Well Djokovic's percent will definitely go up if more matches are BO5, but Nadal might go up even more, thats the only difference. Except Lendl & Connors all ATGs have a significant jump in win% in BO5, so it is not possible that Djokovic's could go lower. Yes lost a lot of BO5 matches before Becker took over as his Guru but even until 2013 end Djoker had like 83% win record in BO5, he did suffer some losses at slams but I cannot imagine them at masters where he is playing BO3s till final and then he would only benefit with a 5 setter. Also the Djokovic we know was a beast from 2014 that he has 92% win record in BO5, so he would benefit more after that too until 2019 or so, it is only 2020 onwards that he could no longer play a full tour like he did before it, so his % would only go up, I am sure of it.
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
Well Djokovic's percent will definitely go up if more matches are BO5, but Nadal might go up even more, thats the only difference. Except Lendl & Connors all ATGs have a significant jump in win% in BO5, so it is not possible that Djokovic's could go lower. Yes lost a lot of BO5 matches before Boom Boom Becker took over as his Guru but even until 2013 end Djoker had like 83% win record in BO5, he did suffer some losses at slams but I cannot imagine them at masters where he is playing BO3s till final and then he would only benefit with a 5 setter. Also the Djokovic we know was a beast from 2014 that he has 92% win record in BO5, so he would benefit more after that too until 2019 or so, it is only 2020 onwards that he could no longer play a full tour like he did before it, so his % would only go up, I am sure of it.

I was merely pointing out the fact that after 2011 Novak was ruling BO3 masters but not bo 5 finals ( even accused of majoring in minor ) it changed after 2014 and more in later years for whatever reason I don't wanna discuss.
 

SonnyT

Legend
Yeah not his fault but that still doesn't mean BO3 is comparable to BO5.

It is also true that WTF titles won in the 90s have more value than those won in 2010s.
No, it isn't. Let's value the titles more by making it BO7.

Actually, making slams BO3 would make Federer a winner in several famous matches, everything else being equal of course. He would've eliminated Djokovic at SF's of 2010-11 USO. There was Kevin Anderson in 2018 WB. Several other times he won the first 2 sets, and lost the next 3.
 

Razer

G.O.A.T.
No, it isn't. Let's value the titles more by making it BO7.

Actually, making slams BO3 would make Federer a winner in several famous matches, everything else being equal of course. He would've eliminated Djokovic at SF's of 2010-11 USO. There was Kevin Anderson in 2018 WB. Several other times he won the first 2 sets, and lost the next 3.

Federer has come back from 0-2 in BO5s a total of 10 times (out of 46 times)
Djokovic has come back from 0-2 in BO5s a total of 8 times (out of 27 times)
Nadal has come back from 0-2 in BO5s a total of 4 times (out of 38 times)

Roger converts 90% of his won matches in straights when he is 2-0 up in BO5
Nadal converts 89% of his won matches in straights when he is up 2-0 in BO5
Djokovic converts 87% of his won matches in straights when he is 2-0 up in BO5

Number of matches they lost from 2-0 up

Federer - 5
Nadal - 3
Djokovic - 2

So Roger has advantage is not taking to the 4th set when he wins matches after 2-0 up relatively more than Nadal or Djoko.

It is pretty even when we consider that Federer 5-6 years older than Djokodal, also there is no advantage if slams are BO7, from round 1 if you make them then nobody will make the last match, quality will suffer. Men cannot play 7 sets for 7 rounds and ladies cannot play 5 sets for 7 rounds, thats why formats exist as they are.
 
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SonnyT

Legend
Federer has come back from 0-2 in BO5s a total of 10 times (out of 46 times)
Djokovic has come back from 0-2 in BO5s a total of 8 times (out of 27 times)
Nadal has come back from 0-2 in BO5s a total of 4 times (out of 38 times)

Roger converts 90% of his won matches in straights when he is 2-0 up in BO5
Nadal converts 89% of his won matches in straights when he is up 2-0 in BO5
Djokovic converts 87% of his won matches in straights when he is 2-0 up in BO5

Number of matches they lost from 2-0 up

Federer - 5
Nadal - 3
Djokovic - 2

So Roger has advantage is not taking to the 4th set when he wins matches after 2-0 up relatively more than Nadal or Djoko.

It is pretty even when we consider that Federer 5-6 years older than Djokodal, also there is no advantage if slams are BO7, from round 1 if you make them then nobody will make the last match, quality will suffer. Men cannot play 7 sets for 7 rounds and ladies cannot play 5 sets for 7 rounds, thats why formats exist as they are.
Age has nothing to do with it! In any case, Nadal & Djokovic have to play while Federer is sitting on his sofa.
 

Enceladus

Legend
No, it isn't. Let's value the titles more by making it BO7.

Actually, making slams BO3 would make Federer a winner in several famous matches, everything else being equal of course. He would've eliminated Djokovic at SF's of 2010-11 USO. There was Kevin Anderson in 2018 WB. Several other times he won the first 2 sets, and lost the next 3.
But in that case, Federer would not have a career Grand Slam, because in his only winning RG he turned the matches from 0:2 deficit to sets (against Haas) and 1:2 to sets (against del Potro).
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
But in that case, Federer would not have a career Grand Slam, because in his only winning RG he turned the matches from 0:2 deficit to sets (against Haas) and 1:2 to sets (against del Potro).
It's bs talking about bo3 when Nole leads all the categories. Slams never stopped being bo5 and Nole already is 4 ahead of fed there and the gap will continue.

What Nole has done in ATP finals and masters is better than what fed did. No ifs.
 

SonnyT

Legend
No, it isn't. Let's value the titles more by making it BO7.
BO7, it was meant as a joke! Could you imagine '11 UO or '12 AO as BO7? We could've 2 players in coma!

The most exhausting matches have been Nadal vs Djokovic. Do you remember the most exhausting match involving Federer or someone else?
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
the only relevant thing that really counts is the numbers of big titles, best of 5 or best of 3 is irrelevant.

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it is also interesting that the leading tennis association still ranks OG below the masters!
Exactly. These made up facts don't change a single thing.
 
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