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NXT/ Velocity
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ByeByePoly
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fyi ... I had to drop my racquet off at stringer, so I asked him about x-One durability. He said worse durability of all of them ... NXT, Xcel, etc ... but best multi in his opinion. He said the micro sheep was also great (said something about oil filled ?) .. but also not durable. This was in context of mains durability ... not as a cross.
I just upped my fb Velocity to 54/54 and will see if mains last a little longer.
fyi ... I had to drop my racquet off at stringer, so I asked him about x-One durability. He said worse durability of all of them ... NXT, Xcel, etc ... but best multi in his opinion. He said the micro sheep was also great (said something about oil filled ?) .. but also not durable. This was in context of mains durability ... not as a cross.
I just upped my fb Velocity to 54/54 and will see if mains last a little longer.
Have 3/4 of a reel of Velocity 16g black and about the same amount on a reel of OGSM 16g natural. Two RF97’s strung at 54/52 with OGSM 1.30/Vel. 1.30 Black. Guess I will experiment with tensions with those strings until I run out. That should get me through the winter.
Still have two RF97’s strung with NXT 1.30/Vel 1.30 natural at 55/52 that show very little wear after several hours. Like being able to play smoother without Mach 1 racquet head Speed and still generate power and spin with good feel. My arm thanks me as well.
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ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
What does it feel and play like?
t_pac
Professional
Well, tried full ZX and wasn’t a fan of the sound/feel, also a bit too powerful so cut it out fairly quickly and went back to full V.
On a whim I decided to try a hybrid and the V improves the feel massively, whilst also taming the power. Lower launch angle too. Obviously a bit more power than full V but it’s very controllable, spin is as good or better than full V.
Minimal movement on the mains and so far seems pretty durable. Comfort is on a par with FB V.
ZX is manually pre-stretched at 55lbs and V is either 52 or 53lbs (can’t remember what I went with).
Right now I can’t see me changing this setup any time soon.
On a whim I decided to try a hybrid and the V improves the feel massively, whilst also taming the power. Lower launch angle too. Obviously a bit more power than full V but it’s very controllable, spin is as good or better than full V.
Minimal movement on the mains and so far seems pretty durable. Comfort is on a par with FB V.
ZX is manually pre-stretched at 55lbs and V is either 52 or 53lbs (can’t remember what I went with).
Right now I can’t see me changing this setup any time soon.
ZX in the mains? Would be interesting to try Zx mains prestretched and Vel crosses at around 54/52-55/53 in a RF97.
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Christoforos Giatzakis
Rookie
Hey guys.. I would like your input.
I've tried nxt16/velocity17 at 24/23kg (53/51lbs) and like it very much on my 18x20.
I've also tried v17 fb which I've also liked but not over 22kg (49lbs) (it feels too stiff for me above that).
If I was to try v17/nxt16 what tension do you think I should use?
I don't know which way to go because nxt16 is rated stiffer than v17 although v17 feels stiffer when playing...
so normally I would string the stiffer crosses 1-2 kg (2-4lbs) lower than the softer mains. Given that I don't want to go over 49lbs on the v17 mains I am afraid stringing the nxt16 crosses at say 47lbs would be too powerful....
My goal for trying this is to achieve a little better control and spin than nxt16/v17 @ 53/51lbs with approximately the same comfort if possible. I'm also doing it for the fun of it.
So which of the following options do you think I should try for v17/nxt16:
1. 22/21kg (48.5/46.5lbs) would it be more powerful because of the low nxt tension compared to nxt16/v17 @ 53/51lbs?
2. 23/22kg (51/49lbs) would it be much less comfy because of higher v17 tension?
3. 22/22kg (49/49lbs)
4. other
Also would the launch angle be very different?
I know I may be overthinking this...
Anyway thank you for your input.
I've tried nxt16/velocity17 at 24/23kg (53/51lbs) and like it very much on my 18x20.
I've also tried v17 fb which I've also liked but not over 22kg (49lbs) (it feels too stiff for me above that).
If I was to try v17/nxt16 what tension do you think I should use?
I don't know which way to go because nxt16 is rated stiffer than v17 although v17 feels stiffer when playing...
so normally I would string the stiffer crosses 1-2 kg (2-4lbs) lower than the softer mains. Given that I don't want to go over 49lbs on the v17 mains I am afraid stringing the nxt16 crosses at say 47lbs would be too powerful....
My goal for trying this is to achieve a little better control and spin than nxt16/v17 @ 53/51lbs with approximately the same comfort if possible. I'm also doing it for the fun of it.
So which of the following options do you think I should try for v17/nxt16:
1. 22/21kg (48.5/46.5lbs) would it be more powerful because of the low nxt tension compared to nxt16/v17 @ 53/51lbs?
2. 23/22kg (51/49lbs) would it be much less comfy because of higher v17 tension?
3. 22/22kg (49/49lbs)
4. other
Also would the launch angle be very different?
I know I may be overthinking this...
Anyway thank you for your input.
Haven’t tried that set up so not sure on the tension. Have been using Velocity as the cross with a few different strings including NXT, OGSM. With the 18x20 as long as you are in the mid to upper 40’s it’s hard to go wrong. See a good many players using Alu Power/NXT at around 48lbs in 18x20’s. Velocity is so muted you may be able to use it around the same tension or a bit above with the NXT cross. Maybe 48/50 or 50/52. Will take some experimenting.
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Muppet
Legend
When using two strings of the same string type (multi/multi), I generally keep the tension the same for both of them. Your NXT is thicker and it has a reputation for fraying. For both of these reasons it would be more suitable for use in the mains. Velocity 17 is thinner and I believe a little firmer too and more slippery. These are good reasons to keep it in the crosses. NXT mains can travel more easily sideways against Velocity crosses than the opposite configuration. To hazard a guess for tensions I would say to try 52/52, unless you are already satisfied with 53/51.
bertrevert
Legend
Given that the mains dominate the characteristics of what he will experience, in this case isn't it thus better to have V in the mains?
His goal is "My goal for trying this is to achieve a little better control and spin "
The NXT won't be upping the spin, the NXT will be giving him a lot (too much?) power.
With V in the mains he will get it's crisp spin. and muted power.
As slippery mains they will be doing the bending, not grip and get stuck liked frayed NXT will.
The V will tame the power so he can really throw the racquet at the ball and really hit out and get more dominant controlling shots.
My vote is to swap - put V in the mains with a soft co-poly slippery cross (I am doing that).
Happy to here argument otherwise...
His goal is "My goal for trying this is to achieve a little better control and spin "
The NXT won't be upping the spin, the NXT will be giving him a lot (too much?) power.
With V in the mains he will get it's crisp spin. and muted power.
As slippery mains they will be doing the bending, not grip and get stuck liked frayed NXT will.
The V will tame the power so he can really throw the racquet at the ball and really hit out and get more dominant controlling shots.
My vote is to swap - put V in the mains with a soft co-poly slippery cross (I am doing that).
Happy to here argument otherwise...
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
My 2 cents ... V is a very control oriented multi, so probably not going to add control by hybriding with 2nd multi. Maybe marginally with something like PPC. For more control, I would say higher tension or poly cross.
Most of us using different multi|sg mains with V cross are trying it for "feel" reasons, and maybe you get lucky and beat fb V spin. V is very muted ... so adding a less muted multi main can change the feel. For example, Origin/V changes the feel, and origin adds power, and matches (maybe a little bump) fb V spin.
If your goal with V is more control and more spin but keep most of V feel, and your elbow allows it ... V/poly. Check @Traffic 's Velocity/Cream thread.
Traffic
Hall of Fame
Have you tried this setup yet? I've tried ZX/OGSM. ZX has a tendency to lose a lot of tension. With OGSM as a cross, this equated to gaining power. Uncontrollable power.
V is pretty low powered. The change in power is very small as you change tensions. Change tensions to change how it feels vs dialing in the power.
So if it's hybrid with ZX, and ZX loses a bunch of tension, V doesn't add a bunch of power just because the dynamic tension is lower.
Traffic
Hall of Fame
It's my understanding that NXT has medium power, good feel, good spin, frays like crazy.
V is low-med power, muted feel, good spin, seems to last a while for a multi.
So if the goal is more control and spin, I'm not sure you'll gain either by mixing with NXT. If adding feel is one of the goals, then I can see it working. It may be possible that NXT grabs the ball better than V. So if NXT can slide on V and grab the ball, there may be a bit more spin to be had (similar to Gut/V)
I hybrid with gut to add feel, power and spin.
V is low-med power, muted feel, good spin, seems to last a while for a multi.
So if the goal is more control and spin, I'm not sure you'll gain either by mixing with NXT. If adding feel is one of the goals, then I can see it working. It may be possible that NXT grabs the ball better than V. So if NXT can slide on V and grab the ball, there may be a bit more spin to be had (similar to Gut/V)
I hybrid with gut to add feel, power and spin.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
I played with NXT once, but too long ago. I remember soft and fraying.
I have played with several players that get really good spin with fb NXT ... but they never seem to know if it's NXT Control or not.
Traffic
Hall of Fame
TRUEbut they never seem to know if it's NXT Control or not.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
More control?
Seems like that requires a definition ... 1) more spin to keep ball in? 2) paired with a string with less power to add control? 3) paired to create more locked stringbed? 4) more control on flattish shots or topspin?
With V mains, seems like poly cross is the obvious choice for more spin. With the rest ... it depends.
For example, if you hit flattish shots, which of the following would be more control?
V/4G @52/48
V/Xcel @52/60
In theory, both could be similar power, but 4G allows main sliding, and sticky xcel cross is a more locked stringbed. From my limited experimenting, a slippery cross adds nothing on flatter shots, and probably hurts. Flat shots with fb RPM Blast @52 was not more control than flat shots with fb xcel @55ish.
Add a third choice ... fb V @60/60 ... is that more control than the two above? Don't we have to include tension in these wild ass speculations?
@Traffic will know the answers.
Seems like that requires a definition ... 1) more spin to keep ball in? 2) paired with a string with less power to add control? 3) paired to create more locked stringbed? 4) more control on flattish shots or topspin?
With V mains, seems like poly cross is the obvious choice for more spin. With the rest ... it depends.
For example, if you hit flattish shots, which of the following would be more control?
V/4G @52/48
V/Xcel @52/60
In theory, both could be similar power, but 4G allows main sliding, and sticky xcel cross is a more locked stringbed. From my limited experimenting, a slippery cross adds nothing on flatter shots, and probably hurts. Flat shots with fb RPM Blast @52 was not more control than flat shots with fb xcel @55ish.
Add a third choice ... fb V @60/60 ... is that more control than the two above? Don't we have to include tension in these wild ass speculations?
@Traffic will know the answers.
bertrevert
Legend
Walked into a shop (not a bar) and asked Sir Stringer for NXT mains + V crosses which he then went about loudly dissuading me (he's kinda argumentative) saying that a multi+multi is is not doing anything special, won't be noticeably different, may as well do full bed of V. I tried to get across to him that V "is not like other multis" but pffft, no chance. I walked out with fb of V feeling kinda screwed.
Now a bit later I do kinda agree with him. There so many strings out there and hybrids are too interesting to pass up. I thought NXT brilliant - 15 years ago. It still has honoured place / gold standard. But V is the real find this year, and hybrid with something else just makes it more interesting!
For control - I reckon he must aim for the snapback in the stringbed. If there's one thing TWU has been on about it is that stringbed stretch and slide leading to snapback are all important. So, my vote is... V/4G @50/48
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
We must have the same stringer.
Snapback = spin
Control = a longer discussion based on player style (some hit no spin)
It's weird for me to spend time trying different strings. Years of Prince sg ... followed by years of Wilson Sensation ... followed by 5 years RPM Blast ... followed by TE and ttw world of string funhouse
TE caused all of this for me ... or no ttw, no Volkl, no Velocity
Traffic
Hall of Fame
My vote is on the locked stringbed for flat shots. But even those that hit flatter shots like to have some spin.
The reason to cross V and Xcel might be to have more power than V. If you like Xcel but want to tame power, I would put V in the cross. V/Xcel doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Voytek Bunia
Rookie
I just strung velocity/cream. 48/44. Tons of power in my tt100p.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
String choice has to be easier for the 100% no spin all the time, and the 100% spin all the time. You are hosed when you want spin "sometimes".
V/Xcel makes no sense to me either ... just and example.
I may have been too high on the tension at 53/50-55/52 in the RF97.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
String choice has to be easier for the 100% no spin all the time, and the 100% spin all the time. You are hosed when you want spin "sometimes".
V/Xcel makes no sense to me either ... just and example.
I’m not sure how one even plays tennis without having to hit both depending on the moment.
Probably why I could never play with spin rackets with spin setups very well. Everything other than a groundie was uncontrollable.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
When I was playing 4.5 singles tournaments in my mid-late 20s, I could have shown you 20 top 35s and 45s in the state that hit zero spin, moderate pace ... groundstrokes or serves ... and they were really good. It's why I talk about hitting to targets so much here ... played against it for years.
I wish every young spin obsessed ttw member here one beating from a flat hitter. They rob you of time, major roadwork side to side ... a very useful education. It's why (that and my generation) why I never became big spin obsessed. Great value in "enough spin" for better cc angle ... but also great value in flat shot dtl. Also great value for those that can hit the heavy ball (pace and spin), but pretty rare in rec adult tennis. Many adult rec players can hit big flattish shots, and many can hit big spin ... but that ball that eats you up at the baseline is pretty rare in my experience. It definitely was never in the cards for me. If I want decent pace ... I have to hit pretty flat.
Did you see my Canadian reference about you before it got deleted? It was a "nice" comment, but thread got deleted in Odds and Ends.
Voytek Bunia
Rookie
I hit with a guy with monster flat shots. Really hard to return them since they don’t bounce at all and come flying at you 100mph.
Spin is important for ball control, creating angles, getting the ball out of the strike zone etc, but if you have ever had the opportunity to hit with professional players it is a much flatter game than most imagine. Hitting through the court is equally important as getting the ball out of the strike zone with slice or topspin. It’s not one dimentional and all about spin. Federer’s biggest improvement in the last few years is hitting the ball flatter and through the court rather than using so much spin.
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Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Did you see my Canadian reference about you before it got deleted? It was a "nice" comment, but thread got deleted in Odds and Ends.
Dohh Missed it. Not too often you see nice Canadian comments. Most Canadian comments are some misguided reference on how we say "about".
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Agree totally. There are the safe deep topspin shots to keep opponents back, but virtually every attack opportunity is hit pretty flat. I see too many players that just want to spend the whole time 6 feet behind the baseline hitting big safe topspin but don't understand when and how to attack.
TF40
Rookie
I agree that NXT/V is a great hybrid setup. I’ve been using/ experimenting Reflex, NXT, Velocity, in the past a few months. My main sticks are Volkl c10 pro and Volkl Super G 325. And I usually string multi in 56/54 lbs. Velocity is an excellent string, the 17g FB plays very well in Super G.
Regarding 16g, I prefer using it in cross with either 16 g Reflex or NXT in main. To me both Reflex and NXT can generate a little more power and spin than V, while the slippery coating and lower price makes it an ideal cross. It doesn’t lock up mains quickly and keeps mains in place for longer time.
Comparing NXT and Reflex in main, NXT offers a little larger sweet spot, more stability when returning heavy balls. The Reflex seems more lively, with better snap back and spin.
Regarding 16g, I prefer using it in cross with either 16 g Reflex or NXT in main. To me both Reflex and NXT can generate a little more power and spin than V, while the slippery coating and lower price makes it an ideal cross. It doesn’t lock up mains quickly and keeps mains in place for longer time.
Comparing NXT and Reflex in main, NXT offers a little larger sweet spot, more stability when returning heavy balls. The Reflex seems more lively, with better snap back and spin.
SlowTiger
Professional
What tensions did you use?
Knife
Professional
I currently play with Multifeel black mains and V crosses, best multi setup I've tried so far. Multifeel frays, Velocity notches after a few hours before breaking. Very little string movement for multis, I like that...
