O.K It is down to Three YTPP, Tfight 320 , RDiS 100 MP

[Murray_fan1]

I would like to start out by saying, I like a lot of fellow board members have been on a journey to find the right stick. After months of demoing all kinds of different sticks including ( YTRP, APDGT, 4D 200, 4D 300T, RDiS 200, RDiS 100 93,RQiS 95 XL, Becker London, PB9, PB10 Mid, BB DC Legend, PB8 315, TFlash Speedflex etc.) the search is coming to an end and I am down to three.

My background - Age mid 30's ,4.5, 2HBH, I play mainly a baseline game ( would like to work to become more of an all court player). My forehand and serve would be considered my main weapons- back hand is solid just not a weapon.



Obviously, playing with different sticks has not helped me get any better but I have learned a few thinks about my game and what my preferred specs are in a racquet. I have found that I prefer a head light ( 5-7 points), thinner beamed ,mid to heavy weight 11.7-12.0 (swing weight 320-325) racquet with an open string pattern, and surprisingly I prefer a racquet with a slightly stiffer feel (65 +) , I like Power Player have also found I prefer the grip shape of the racquet to be squared ( Wilson shape )

So as the title of my thread indicates it is down to three racquets :

Head YTPP :

Midplus Specs
Head Size:
98 sq. in. / 632.26 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 68.58 cm
Strung Weight: 11.8oz / 334.52g
Balance: 6 pts HL
Swingweight: 320
Stiffness: 66
Beam Width: 21mm Straight Beam
Composition: d3o / Graphite

(Racquet I have has the TK82S pallet installed)

Yonex RDiS 100 MP:

Midplus Specs
Head Size:
98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 11.7oz / 332g
Balance: 7pts Head Light
Swingweight: 323
Stiffness: 64
Beam Width: 21 mm Straight Beam
Composition: High Modulus Graphite / Elastic Titanium / CS Carbon Nanotube


Technifibre Tfight 320:

Midplus Specs
Head Size:
95 sq. in. / 613 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 11.9oz / 337g
Balance: 7pts Head Light
Swingweight: 324
Stiffness: 66
Beam Width: 22 mm Straight Beam
Composition: Graphite & Texalium
Power Level: Low


As you can see these racquets match up very well and I can actually switch fairly easily between them without much trouble. The problem is I like all three racquets and need to ween myself down to one. Any ideas on how to narrow it down ???????

Feedback is appreciated

 

[Fed Kennedy]

Lose the head, the gripshape sucks. Now you're down to two. Which one has a better pj?

 

[Fed Kennedy]

Nevermind, i just saw you had the speed pallets. Lol. You're screwed.
I think the yonex has the best pj tho

 

[Deodorant]

i say the yonex. their qc is superb

 

[Power Player]

Well you know my choice..lol.

Try this..grab those 3 sticks and hit the courts. Just lean them all against the fence and hit with them, alternating whenever you want. You should start to gravitate towards one after a while.

The Tfight PJ is the best though..haha. It looks real good from across the court and no one ever sees the Samurai faces besides the person holding it.

 

[getsby]

incredibly, I am set by the same question-rdis 100 mp or t-fight? I played with rds 001 mp, rdx 500 mp and in the total not stopped for them,rdis-repetition. and experience with TF for me it was not, and now I am anymore inclined to 320 VO2 MAX :neutral:

 

[Power Player]

Getsby..so you didnt like the 320?

 

[DeShaun]

I would like to start out by saying, I like a lot of fellow board members have been on a journey to find the right stick. After months of demoing all kinds of different sticks including ( YTRP, APDGT, 4D 200, 4D 300T, RDiS 200, RDiS 100 93,RQiS 95 XL, Becker London, PB9, PB10 Mid, BB DC Legend, PB8 315, TFlash Speedflex etc.) the search is coming to an end and I am down to three.

My background - Age mid 30's ,4.5, 2HBH, I play mainly a baseline game ( would like to work to become more of an all court player). My forehand and serve would be considered my main weapons- back hand is solid just not a weapon.



Obviously, playing with different sticks has not helped me get any better but I have learned a few thinks about my game and what my preferred specs are in a racquet. I have found that I prefer a head light ( 5-7 points), thinner beamed ,mid to heavy weight 11.7-12.0 (swing weight 320-325) racquet with an open string pattern, and surprisingly I prefer a racquet with a slightly stiffer feel (65 +) , I like Power Player have also found I prefer the grip shape of the racquet to be squared ( Wilson shape )

So as the title of my thread indicates it is down to three racquets :

Head YTPP :

Midplus Specs
Head Size:
98 sq. in. / 632.26 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 68.58 cm
Strung Weight: 11.8oz / 334.52g
Balance: 6 pts HL
Swingweight: 320
Stiffness: 66
Beam Width: 21mm Straight Beam
Composition: d3o / Graphite

(Racquet I have has the TK82S pallet installed)

Yonex RDiS 100 MP:

Midplus Specs
Head Size:
98 sq. in. / 632 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 11.7oz / 332g
Balance: 7pts Head Light
Swingweight: 323
Stiffness: 64
Beam Width: 21 mm Straight Beam
Composition: High Modulus Graphite / Elastic Titanium / CS Carbon Nanotube


Technifibre Tfight 320:

Midplus Specs
Head Size:
95 sq. in. / 613 sq. cm.
Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
Strung Weight: 11.9oz / 337g
Balance: 7pts Head Light
Swingweight: 324
Stiffness: 66
Beam Width: 22 mm Straight Beam
Composition: Graphite & Texalium
Power Level: Low


As you can see these racquets match up very well and I can actually switch fairly easily between them without much trouble. The problem is I like all three racquets and need to ween myself down to one. Any ideas on how to narrow it down ???????

Feedback is appreciated

I liked all these models. But I went w/the Youtek.

The Yonnex has supernatural sweet spot, and pocketing powers out of this world, but was too springy and flexy otherwise, and besides, it felt hollow.

The YPP is said to have a 98sq inch head, but it's really nearer to 95. Comparing hoop sizes, the Technifib is about equal with the YPP. Plus, being lighter in the head, the Technifib might have been better for serving, if its beam width weren't also thicker than the YPP's.

For me the the decision came down to one racket giving a more balanced performance than the others across many categories, without it having any glaring weakness, for why I chose the Youtek

 

[getsby]

Getsby..so you didnt like the 320?

did not I try 320-how I can know, she is liked to me or no?
if to believe TW`s Power Zone-320`s sweetspot more than Youtek MP, regardless of head size

 

[getsby]

sorry, off-top, now I look a match Australian Open 2010, Tipsarevic vs Haas, T-Fight 320 VO2 max vs Youtek Prestige MP

 

[getsby]

2Power Player-best thing with T-Fight in your opinion?

 

[Power Player]

Best thing is how you can get so much power and spin and still have exceptional control.

 

[Hidious]

sorry, off-top, now I look a match Australian Open 2010, Tipsarevic vs Haas, T-Fight 320 VO2 max vs Youtek Prestige MP

Isn't Tipsy using the 325?

 

[Murray_fan1]

Thanks for the above responses. I never even thought of throwing the Prestige into the mix but the Speed pallet has really changed things. PP I will try your suggestion of bringing all three to the court and just see which one I seem to play best with or " gravitate" to. As far as paint jobs go they are all very nice looking sticks. My preference in this department goes to the Yonex but the Tfight paint job is really unique and growing on me.

Next question: Should I have the same string/tension in each racquet ? I know this could open up a proverbial bag of worms as string can obviously transform racquet feel . Fire away with string combo/set ups for each stick.

Current set up in each stick.

Yonex RDiS - RPM Blast 55lbs-

Tfight - Technifibre Black Code 55lbs

YTPP- Typhoon 55lbs

 

[4sound]

Play some matches with each racket. Of the three you mentioned, I liked the Head PP the best but had to string it down a few more pounds to 52-53.

 

[un6a]

Next question: Should I have the same string/tension in each racquet ? I know this could open up a proverbial bag of worms as string can obviously transform racquet feel . Fire away with string combo/set ups for each stick.

If u can, try all racquets with same (your preffered) string for best results. Tension can be different if there are differences in power.

Anyway i'm interested in these 3 frames too. Based on specs and comments i'm gravitating to yonex, but i only tryed YTPP from the bunch.
I liked spin and power from YTPP, but it was slightly heavier than i would like. It is only 5g heavier from prestige MP, but MP swings much lighter yet it is more stable and have better plow through.
IF YTMP had open pattern it would be perfect racquet.

I think all of 3 racquets have enough spin and power for my game.
Can you tell me differences in swingweight, stability and plow through
of these 3 racquets ?

 

[getsby]

different materials and different technologies. at identical racket specs can strongly differ in feeling

 

[Murray_fan1]

If u can, try all racquets with same (your preffered) string for best results. Tension can be different if there are differences in power.

Anyway i'm interested in these 3 frames too. Based on specs and comments i'm gravitating to yonex, but i only tryed YTPP from the bunch.
I liked spin and power from YTPP, but it was slightly heavier than i would like. It is only 5g heavier from prestige MP, but MP swings much lighter yet it is more stable and have better plow through.
IF YTMP had open pattern it would be perfect racquet.

I think all of 3 racquets have enough spin and power for my game.
Can you tell me differences in swingweight, stability and plow through
of these 3 racquets ?

Specs are so similar that they do compare fairly close. The Yonex and the Tfight compare the closest. Similar plow, larger sweet spot (more powerful ) than the YTPP. The prestige has slightly better feel, stability and feels slightly more solid on contact.

 

[un6a]

Specs are so similar that they do compare fairly close. The Yonex and the Tfight compare the closest. Similar plow, larger sweet spot (more powerful ) than the YTPP. The prestige has slightly better feel, stability and feels slightly more solid on contact.

Thx for info

 

[un6a]

And how is the swingweight ? which one swings lightest and which heaviest ?
or all they swings about same ?

 

[Murray_fan1]

I would say that the Yonex feels like it has the lowest swing weight.

 

[counterpuncher]

Try this..grab those 3 sticks and hit the courts. Just lean them all against the fence and hit with them, alternating whenever you want. You should start to gravitate towards one after a while.

I totally agree with this and I have found this to be quite effective. If it's still fairly close then play a couple of sets with each, afterwhich it should be very clear.

I had a recent similar experience where I thought I decided on a new preferred stick. Then in match play I found while some things were better or about the same in my game, some things were much worse and deal breakers.

 

[getsby]

Best thing is how you can get so much power and spin and still have exceptional control.

I will try difficulty to ask differently. the best side 320? Serve, return, slice, backhand, forhand, overheads ?

 

[Power Player]

The 320 for me is best for all those things. I have no trouble with any of those strokes using the racquet.

I can serve with some free power, hit deep on both sides, slice very solidly (low, driving slice) and put away overheads.

I really enjoy the power I get on backhands with it. My backhand is normally a solid ralley shot to move the opponent, but just throwing my weight into the ball properly gives me some very angled winners sometimes.

In 09 I posted that it was one of the best racquets I have ever used, and I still stand by that now.

 

[fantom]

Do you feel like one racquet helps your game more than the others? If you don't feel any game improvement benefits, just pick one based on some other less important factor, like price, paint job, brand loyalty, color, etc.

Just make sure you don't second guess your decision once it's made. On a bad day, it's likely your fault rather than the racquet.

Best of luck...

 

[getsby]

The 320 for me is best for all those things. I have no trouble with any of those strokes using the racquet.

I can serve with some free power, hit deep on both sides, slice very solidly (low, driving slice) and put away overheads.

I really enjoy the power I get on backhands with it. My backhand is normally a solid ralley shot to move the opponent, but just throwing my weight into the ball properly gives me some very angled winners sometimes.

In 09 I posted that it was one of the best racquets I have ever used, and I still stand by that now.

thank Power Player. What racket did you play to 320?

 

[Power Player]

Before the 320 I played the Dunlop 200 and 300. I had to go lighter due to a wrist injury, and the Tfight was the easy choice. I should have never switched off the racquet when I first bought it.

 

[Murray_fan1]

Update:

Hit again with all three racquet's and I have to say this is tough. I seem to gravitate more towards the Prestige and Tfight over the Yonex. I like the added power I get with the Tfight , most notably on serves and backhands but I tended to have a few more balls fly on me when compared to the Prestige (slightly tighter drill pattern ). I also like the "speed grip pallet" more than the Tfights as it is closer to the shape of the Wilson grip. The Tfight is like a cross between a Head/Wilson pallet in comparison. Since the Tfight 320 and the 325 are essentially the same racquet (except for a slight difference in weight and tighter string pattern ) I wonder if this would be the better for my game than the 320?

 

[getsby]

sweet spot for more than YTPP or at 320 ?

 

[Murray_fan1]

sweet spot for more than YTPP or at 320 ?

IMO the sweet spot on the Tfight is larger than the prestige.

 

[Murray_fan1]

Power Player,

Can you give a more detailed review of the Tfight 320 and 325? You seem to have a lot of experience with these sticks and would be the perfect person to give comparative review.

 

[getsby]

join! detailed review would be great

 

[Power Player]

Well I reviewed them a bit them here :

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5068399&postcount=1090

But ask any other questions you have and I can answer.

 

[Murray_fan1]

Thanks PP,

I do have a couple questions-

1. Is there much of a difference spin wise between the two? Personally I feel spin production relies more on technique than equipment but some racquet do seem to enhance this slightly more. Spin production priority is secondary to me as I hit more towards flat ( forehand ) than heavy spin but I do utilize a kick serve and liked the extra action I was getting with the 320.

2. This question is more related to the Tfight line in general : In a previous post you had mentioned that the grip shape is "wilson like" but when compared to a wilson grip or even the head speed pallet I find it is kind of like a hybrid between the shape of a head and a wilson pallet. Is there more than 1 pallet style for the Tfight line?

3. Stroke wise was there something about the 320 that made it more viable than the 325 i.e better serve, better forehand, backhand etc.


Thanks in advance

 

[Power Player]

1. The 320 gets more spin. It has a real open pattern and even with technique you will notice the difference. It is good for me since I hit with a semi western/western grip and have heavy spin. It just adds to it and I do not have to use extra energy in my technique. If you hit flat, the 325 is potentially the better choice. I like to have it around to change the trajectory of my shots if nothing else is working during a match. Plus if my 320s are both not available, I can easily use the 325 as a backup.

2. The grip could very well have some head like qualities, as it may be a little more pronounced and less round, but this actually helped me out coming from the dunlops (which have less pronounced bevels and the grips feel a little bigger). I do not think there is more then 1 pallet.

3. Strokewise for me, I get heavier shots with less effort using the 320. I hit with heavy spin so using a closed pattern can wear me out a little faster. I like the lighter weight, which I can feel the difference between the 2. But once again, it is not huge. I can go between the 2 sticks. I just prefer the slightly less stiff feel of the 320 along with the extra power and spin.

 

[DeShaun]

Update:

Hit again with all three racquet's and I have to say this is tough. I seem to gravitate more towards the Prestige and Tfight over the Yonex. I like the added power I get with the Tfight , most notably on serves and backhands but I tended to have a few more balls fly on me when compared to the Prestige (slightly tighter drill pattern ). I also like the "speed grip pallet" more than the Tfights as it is closer to the shape of the Wilson grip. The Tfight is like a cross between a Head/Wilson pallet in comparison. Since the Tfight 320 and the 325 are essentially the same racquet (except for a slight difference in weight and tighter string pattern ) I wonder if this would be the better for my game than the 320?

It sounds like you are gravitating towards the YTPP along a similar path to mine. It did not rate on top of any one category but came in second or third in so many, like Pericles, while never coming out near the bottom in any one category. It grew on me because it had absolutely no glaring weaknesses, nor however, any asymmetrically added strengths. Not the best on serve for raw power, but a nice blend of power and spin. Not the best at plowing through heavy balls, but never pushed aside either. Somehow both head-heavy-feeling but also whippy. Not the absolute best at imparting spin, but very nearly. And on, and on. It was the nearest I could find to striking perfectly spread balance across so many key performance categories, instead of excelling highly in one or two areas but underachieving across the rest.

 

[Murray_fan1]

It sounds like you are gravitating towards the YTPP along a similar path to mine. It did not rate on top of any one category but came in second or third in so many, like Pericles, while never coming out near the bottom in any one category. It grew on me because it had absolutely no glaring weaknesses, nor however, any asymmetrically added strengths. Not the best on serve for raw power, but a nice blend of power and spin. Not the best at plowing through heavy balls, but never pushed aside either. Somehow both head-heavy-feeling but also whippy. Not the absolute best at imparting spin, but very nearly. And on, and on. It was the nearest I could find to striking perfectly spread balance across so many key performance categories, instead of excelling highly in one or two areas but underachieving across the rest.

You may be right. The YTPP does not lead the pack in any particular category but is very good at almost everything. I guess time will tell. I really want to add the Tfight 325 to the mix as I think it's tighter pattern and slightly more weight may be just what I am looking for. A racquet with decent weight, power, plow and control. It's not much to ask is it ?

 

[steve728]

Mf1 ---

I've picked up on following this thread because I'm testing out a RDiS100 MP and have been thinking about a YTPP. I, like you, prefer the Wilson-shaped pallets, and I recently got some Speed pallets so now I'm thinking of putting myself in your shoes. Well, not exactly because I haven't really thought about the T-Fights. I can't get past the paintjobs. I much prefer the non-VO2 paint.

Anyways, is keeping two of the three (or even all three) an option? It may lift some of the pressure of trying to narrow down to one. Seems you like all three pretty closely. Sometimes I wish I kept a racquet around instead of selling it so I could go back to it and re-discover why I liked it in the first place.

Also, I really like 4sound's suggestion from earlier in the thread. How do you fare with each racquet in match play? Maybe you've already been doing this, but I believe this is a huge factor when playtesting/deciding between racquets. Which racquet has been the most successful for you and most enjoyable to play with in matches or competitive sets?

 

[cayzi]

1. The 320 gets more spin. It has a real open pattern and even with technique you will notice the difference. It is good for me since I hit with a semi western/western grip and have heavy spin. It just adds to it and I do not have to use extra energy in my technique. If you hit flat, the 325 is potentially the better choice. I like to have it around to change the trajectory of my shots if nothing else is working during a match. Plus if my 320s are both not available, I can easily use the 325 as a backup.

2. The grip could very well have some head like qualities, as it may be a little more pronounced and less round, but this actually helped me out coming from the dunlops (which have less pronounced bevels and the grips feel a little bigger). I do not think there is more then 1 pallet.

3. Strokewise for me, I get heavier shots with less effort using the 320. I hit with heavy spin so using a closed pattern can wear me out a little faster. I like the lighter weight, which I can feel the difference between the 2. But once again, it is not huge. I can go between the 2 sticks. I just prefer the slightly less stiff feel of the 320 along with the extra power and spin.

One last question... I promise .

What would you suggest to the beginner which used to play tennis when I was 10-12 to take: T-Fight 295 or 320 and why?

Regards

 

[thejuice]

I was told by a trusted retailer that Head has aweful QC but I would say more than that to pick the frame that you enjoy looking at the most.

 

[Murray_fan1]

Mf1 ---

I've picked up on following this thread because I'm testing out a RDiS100 MP and have been thinking about a YTPP. I, like you, prefer the Wilson-shaped pallets, and I recently got some Speed pallets so now I'm thinking of putting myself in your shoes. Well, not exactly because I haven't really thought about the T-Fights. I can't get past the paintjobs. I much prefer the non-VO2 paint.

Anyways, is keeping two of the three (or even all three) an option? It may lift some of the pressure of trying to narrow down to one. Seems you like all three pretty closely. Sometimes I wish I kept a racquet around instead of selling it so I could go back to it and re-discover why I liked it in the first place.

Also, I really like 4sound's suggestion from earlier in the thread. How do you fare with each racquet in match play? Maybe you've already been doing this, but I believe this is a huge factor when playtesting/deciding between racquets. Which racquet has been the most successful for you and most enjoyable to play with in matches or competitive sets?

Steve,

I could potentially keep all the frames and play decent tennis with them. I think in the long run though I would be better off to settle on 1 frame and try to get down to one string set up as well ( that's a whole other story for a different thread). Trying different frames is fun but overall I think I would play better if the frame and string was consistent . The differences between frames i.e swing weight, static weight, plow, power etc maybe small but enough to throw out my timing and I suspect it would affect my overall game.

I have yet to play a full match with the Tfight but I have fared favorably with both the Yonex and the Prestige Pro against my regular hitting partner. I will try and get in a couple sets with the Tfight next time I play. Sadly for me It is going to be a least another week before I can get out again as I have aggravated my back with rest and rehab the only physical activity on the agenda.

 

[getsby]

I think the best test is to play against one opponent each racquet. provided that the opponent is stable and not very dependent on their physical condition (fatigue, slept or not, is concerned about whether some sort of problems during the match)

 

[SuperJimmy]

I would say if you are having such a hard time deciding, for your game any of the racquets would be a good choice. And maybe just choose the one with the best PJ. Getting down to the details of one racquet giving you a couple more winners, or a couple more unforced errors is a bit much I think. There are so many more factors that go into how those points are won and lost that can't really be blamed on the racquet. Feel, control, power, spin, those all can be modified to some extent (sometimes in drastic ways) based on your string choice and tension. Does your hitting partner have anything to say about what he sees/feels when playing against those different sticks?

 

[getsby]

great! Indeed, from perhaps a more objective assessment of your strokes

 

[Murray_fan1]

I did not ask my hitting partner for any direct feedback last time we played, but now that I think of it he did mention the other day ( When playing with the Prestige) that he was having a tough time handling the pace of my shots ( felt like he was playing up hill) . I did not pay much attention to this but next time I get out for a hit I will ask him his analysis of how my strokes are with each racquet. If there was anything that stood out when playing with one particular racquet.

 

[Murray_fan1]

UPDATE!!!

Well after an exhaustive time play testing different racquets I have decided to switch full time to the Technifibre Tfight 325!!! I know it isn't one of the racquets on the threads title but this racquet has really blown me away. It is a perfect match for my game spec wise and I love the added control the tighter string pattern affords. It is very, very similar to the 320 as PP had mentioned previously but with slightly more control, slightly heavier and a little better plough through. It is a great choice if you tend to take big cuts at the ball and hit more on the flat side.

 

[DeShaun]

UPDATE!!!

Well after an exhaustive time play testing different racquets I have decided to switch full time to the Technifibre Tfight 325!!! I know it isn't one of the racquets on the threads title but this racquet has really blown me away. It is a perfect match for my game spec wise and I love the added control the tighter string pattern affords. It is very, very similar to the 320 as PP had mentioned previously but with slightly more control, slightly heavier and a little better plough through. It is a great choice if you tend to take big cuts at the ball and hit more on the flat side.

Congratulations! At the end of such a long journey, you must feel like someone who has hit the jackpot, or found their long lost love!

 

[Murray_fan1]

^^^^Thanks!!!


I now plan to stock up on a few of these and just work on getting my game where I want it to be. Trying different racquets is fun for awhile but there is no doubt your game does suffer as a consequence.