Objective Look at the 4 Semifinalists - Wimbledon 2023

[travlerajm]

Dominance Level thru first 5 rounds (ratio of total return points won to opponent return points won):

1. Sinner: 2.15
2. Djokovic: 1.73
3. Medvedev: 1.66
4. Alcaraz: 1.53

Note: these stats are for entertainment only and should not be used for gambling purposes. The National Council on Problem Gambling Helpline offers a confidential, 24-hour helpline for problem gamblers or their family members at 1-800-522-4700.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Michael Jordan just bet 500 large on a who wins coin toss and who serves first double.

 

[The Fedfather]

Dominance Level thru first 5 rounds (ratio of total return points won to opponent return points won):

1. Sinner: 2.15

 

[ffw2]

Thank you, travlerajm, for the kindly PSA.

I do not consider myself among those unfortunate souls with a true, crippling addiction to the dopamine pings associated with Kenny Rogers' favorite pastime.

With that said, I just bet the entirety of my estate (including every penny of my off-shore holdings) on Roger Federer to win the 2023 Wimbledon Championships.

And if this pays off like I expect it to, I shall double down when the United States Open returns.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Sinner will crush Djokovic confirmed.

 

[tennis_pro]

LMAO at Sinner's numbers. His draw until the SF could be a legit contender for the easiest road to a Slam SF ever. I only recognize Schwartzman and he's past his prime, out of form and on his worst surface.

Fed at 42 with a broken knee would reach the SF without losing a set againast these bums. Wake me up if Sinner even pushes Djokovic to 4 sets.

 

[jm1980]

Dominance Level thru first 5 rounds (ratio of total return points won to opponent return points won):

1. Sinner: 2.15
2. Djokovic: 1.73
3. Medvedev: 1.66
4. Alcaraz: 1.53

Note: these stats are for entertainment only and should not be used for gambling purposes. The National Council on Problem Gambling Helpline offers a confidential, 24-hour helpline for problem gamblers or their family members at 1-800-522-4700.

In a vacuum Sinner's number looks impressive

But then you look at his draw and it all makes sense

 

[Kralingen]

Michael Jordan just bet 500 large on a who wins coin toss and who serves first double.

Brandon Miller was a made man and Scoot Henderson wasn’t. And we just had to sit there and take it.

 

[Kralingen]

Can we see their dominance ratio against players within the top 78?

 

[travlerajm]

LMAO at Sinner's numbers. His draw until the SF could be a legit contender for the easiest road to a Slam SF ever. I only recognize Schwartzman and he's past his prime, out of form and on his worst surface.

Fed at 42 with a broken knee would reach the SF without losing a set againast these bums. Wake me up if Sinner even pushes Djokovic to 4 sets.

At a glance, I haven't put my contact lenses in yet, but Sinner's draw actually looks pretty tough:
R1: Cerundolo (QF at most recent slam)
R2: Schwartzmanegger (terminator)
R3: Haas (ex World #2 and zip recruiter pitchman)
R4: Garin (last year's QF)
QF: Safin (2-time slam champ)

 

[jmacdaununder2]

Dominance Level thru first 5 rounds (ratio of total return points won to opponent return points won):

1. Sinner: 2.15
2. Djokovic: 1.73
3. Medvedev: 1.66
4. Alcaraz: 1.53

Note: these stats are for entertainment only and should not be used for gambling purposes. The National Council on Problem Gambling Helpline offers a confidential, 24-hour helpline for problem gamblers or their family members at 1-800-522-4700.

LMAO at Sinner's numbers. His draw until the SF could be a legit contender for the easiest road to a Slam SF ever. I only recognize Schwartzman and he's past his prime, out of form and on his worst surface.

Fed at 42 with a broken knee would reach the SF without losing a set againast these bums. Wake me up if Sinner even pushes Djokovic to 4 sets.

Statistics - amiright!?
(Roy Emerson held the slam record for 33 years; surely he must be the greatest tennis player who ever lived?)

 

[ChrisJR3264]

I’ve noticed medvedev played more towards the baseline on his return of serve.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

LMAO at Sinner's numbers. His draw until the SF could be a legit contender for the easiest road to a Slam SF ever. I only recognize Schwartzman and he's past his prime, out of form and on his worst surface.

Fed at 42 with a broken knee would reach the SF without losing a set againast these bums. Wake me up if Sinner even pushes Djokovic to 4 sets.

Talk tennis warehouse doesn't have a bloody alarm clock, man.

 

[CHillTennis]

LMAO at Sinner's numbers. His draw until the SF could be a legit contender for the easiest road to a Slam SF ever. I only recognize Schwartzman and he's past his prime, out of form and on his worst surface.

Fed at 42 with a broken knee would reach the SF without losing a set againast these bums. Wake me up if Sinner even pushes Djokovic to 4 sets.

Lame Horse Nick had the easiest draw in Wimbledon history.

Three low ranked opponents and a walk-over in the semifinals.

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Yea stats really mean nothing now as Sinner hasn't played anyone great yet , and Carlos' draw has been "meh" except for Berretini. Djoker has had the toughest draw between GOAT serving Hurcacz and Rublev who played about as well as he is capable of

 

[L4S10s]

Womp womp

 

[SonnyT]

Sinner's outshines the other 3, which range close together. Questions about Sinner's unranked opponents.

 

[jmacdaununder2]

Yea stats really mean nothing now as Sinner hasn't played anyone great yet , and Carlos' draw has been "meh" except for Berretini. Djoker has had the toughest draw between GOAT serving Hurcacz and Rublev who played about as well as he is capable of

Actually the reality is that Rublev is the only player Nogold will play before the final - assuming he wins his semi - to have beaten him even once to date. He is now 6-0 against Hurkacz.
OTOH Rune has beaten him twice out of three meetings and Med four out of ten.
Ah, the age of reality & alternate reality…

 

[Jonesy]

Djokovic is the underdog against the favorite to win the tournament, Jannik.

 

[nolefam_2024]

With a draw like Sinner's it's possible. The guy didn't make a slam semis before.

 

[DSH]

Djokovic is the underdog against the favorite to win the tournament, Jannik.

Djokovic's infamy will end at the hands of the sinner.

 

[Jonesy]

Djokovic's infamy will end at the hands of the sinner.

Sinner is the only one with a real chance of beating Djoker. If he wants to prove he is the next ATG the time is now. Alcaraz/Med have no chance in a final against Novak.

 

[BGod]

So Novak in 4 again yes?

 

[ghostofMecir]

Lmao GOAT skit.

2.15 is absolutely crazy even with trash competition but he’s going to get rolled in the SFs. Not even Nadal was at 2.0+ through the quarterfinals in any of his RG runs. It doesn’t really matter though because he’s going to get rolled in the semi finals.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Dominance Level thru first 5 rounds (ratio of total return points won to opponent return points won):

1. Sinner: 2.15
2. Djokovic: 1.73
3. Medvedev: 1.66
4. Alcaraz: 1.53

Note: these stats are for entertainment only and should not be used for gambling purposes. The National Council on Problem Gambling Helpline offers a confidential, 24-hour helpline for problem gamblers or their family members at 1-800-522-4700.

Is it actually 2.15? I know it was over 3.0 in his first round match but I don’t think he got over 1.8 in any of his other matches and he played more points in those matches 2.15 would probably the highest dominance ratio through five rounds ever. I don’t think Medora has ever broken 1.7 or 1.8 at Roland Garros.

 

[travlerajm]

Is it actually 2.15? I know it was over 3.0 in his first round match but I don’t think he got over 1.8 in any of his other matches and he played more points in those matches 2.15 would probably the highest dominance ratio through five rounds ever. I don’t think Medora has ever broken 1.7 or 1.8 at Roland Garros.

He was 4.78 vs Cerundolo. 2.68 vs Galán.

 

[ghostofMecir]

He was 4.78 vs Cerundolo. 2.68 vs Galán.

Hmm…

49% of return points won/16% return points won by Cerundolo = 3.06, no?

 

[travlerajm]

Hmm…

49% of return points won/16% return points won by Cerundolo = 3.06, no?

Please read the op.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Please read the op.

Are you saying “Dominance Level” it’s something different than “dominance ratio”?

 

[travlerajm]

Are you saying “Dominance Level” it’s something different than “dominance ratio”?

Yes. Because of the way the scoring in tennis works, with a game continuing for as many points as it takes until one player wins by 2, the more-simply calculated Dominance Level stat as defined here has more predictive value than the “Dominance Ratio”.

Sinner was utterly dominant in his first round, winning 43 return points to only 9 for his opponent. The relatively low Dominance Ratio is misleading because Sinner’s dominance in return games gets diluted in the stat by the opponent getting a lot more service points only because all the service games went overtime. His opponent won 44 service points to only 49 by Sinner.

 

[The Fedfather]

Lmao GOAT skit.

2.15 is absolutely crazy even with trash competition but he’s going to get rolled in the SFs. Not even Nadal was at 2.0+ through the quarterfinals in any of his RG runs. It doesn’t really matter though because he’s going to get rolled in the semi finals.

I do give Sinner an off chance to put up a worthy fight at least in one set, but then ultimately fall off into the choke abyss.

 

[Nostradamus]

Dominance Level thru first 5 rounds (ratio of total return points won to opponent return points won):

1. Sinner: 2.15
2. Djokovic: 1.73
3. Medvedev: 1.66
4. Alcaraz: 1.53

Note: these stats are for entertainment only and should not be used for gambling purposes. The National Council on Problem Gambling Helpline offers a confidential, 24-hour helpline for problem gamblers or their family members at 1-800-522-4700.

So we are expecting the Greatest matches of the century........ but then lets hope it won'be a dud like this WTA semifinals.......

 

[Nostradamus]

My BEST case scenario,,,,,, Novak and yannick goes 5 sets, and yannick wins 25-23 in the supertiebreaker making a new record. and Carlos and Medvedev goes 5 sets and Carlos wins 30-28 in the supertiebreaker.... making the matches of the this 1000 year tennis history

 

[SonnyT]

The best of the old veterans Vs the best of the young gunslingers

These 4 really are the best of the two camps.

 

[robthai]

@UnderratedSlam great age shift? Djokovic is literally the only one left over 30 years old.

 

[nolefam_2024]

While Nole may not win CYGS this year he already won ncygs. He also won 3 slams in a row 5 times compared to Nadal which is stuck at 1. So Nadal could NEVER win CYGS. And Nole already won Ncygs which is just as good, and was 1 match away just 2 years ago.

 

[big ted]

we all know the only stat that matters is # of converted break points

 

[big ted]

While Nole may not win CYGS this year he already won ncygs. He also won 3 slams in a row 5 times compared to Nadal which is stuck at 1. So Nadal could NEVER win CYGS. And Nole already won Ncygs which is just as good, and was 1 match away just 2 years ago.

i didnt know nadal was a topic in this thread lol

 

[tex123]

Dominance Level thru first 5 rounds (ratio of total return points won to opponent return points won):

1. Sinner: 2.15
2. Djokovic: 1.73
3. Medvedev: 1.66
4. Alcaraz: 1.53

Note: these stats are for entertainment only and should not be used for gambling purposes. The National Council on Problem Gambling Helpline offers a confidential, 24-hour helpline for problem gamblers or their family members at 1-800-522-4700.

Good one!

 

[DSH]

I just want one more USO. Wimbledon is a side quest at this point.

I'm sorry, but it's not going to happen.
Even if he can win Wimbledon, (and that remains to be seen) it is at the US Open, of the four GS events, where the most competition is.
A Medvedev part II is very likely to be repeated again for the Serbian player.

 

[nolefam_2024]

i didnt know nadal was a topic in this thread lol

He ofcourse is. If Nole is dragged then both fedal will be.

 

[TheNachoMan]

I'm sorry, but it's not going to happen.
Even if he can win Wimbledon, (and that remains to be seen) it is at the US Open, of the four GS events, where the most competition is.
A Medvedev part II is very likely to be repeated again for the Serbian player.

You said he wouldn’t win RG again, so who knows..

 

[Subway Tennis]

While Nole may not win CYGS this year he already won ncygs. He also won 3 slams in a row 5 times compared to Nadal which is stuck at 1. So Nadal could NEVER win CYGS. And Nole already won Ncygs which is just as good, and was 1 match away just 2 years ago.

A non calendar year slam is a great achievement but is not as good as the calendar version, and should not be mentioned as equivalent.

The cumulative pressure of going undefeated in majors through a single season is totally different to splitting consecutive victories across two seasons.

 

[DSH]

You said he wouldn’t win RG again, so who knows..

Yes, but without the presence of Nadal and with a cramped Carlitos in the semifinals, that made it easier for your idol to win there.
That will not happen at the US Open, where the competition, unlike the other three Majors, is fierce.

 

[Jack the Hack]

Brandon Miller was a made man and Scoot Henderson wasn’t. And we just had to sit there and take it.

Miller will be a fine pro, but I think the Blazers might have gotten the steal of the draft. MJ did Portland a solid with that pick. Only time will tell...

(Not to sidetrack this thread, but I'm betting Wemby will not win Rookie of the Year. Scoot will put up big numbers on a Dame-less Blazer team, and a reconstituted Chet Holmgren gets to be a rookie this year after sitting out last year. Those two are my favorites for ROY. I think Wemby needs a year or two of bulking up before he dominates, but I could be wrong.)

 

[messiahrobins]

Sinner will crush Djokovic confirmed.

Sinner only guy who has a chance in my view. He has a great serve and return combo just like Novak albeit not in the same league but far better than tbe other two. Think it might be a classic tomorrow. Sinner will want to set the record straight so will novak by straight setting him this time. Not sure they are that friendly either compared to how Novak is with alcaraz and medvedev. Might be wrong there just a perception.

 

[Tweener]

1st Serve Points Won:
Sinner = 84%
Djokovic 84%
Medvedev = 79%
Alcaraz = 79%

2nd Serve Points Won:
Sinner = 64%
Djokovic 63%
Medvedev = 50%
Alcaraz = 59%

Sets Lost:
Sinner = 2
Djokovic 2
Medvedev = 3
Alcaraz = 2

Semi-final Odds:
Sinner = 4/1
Djokovic = 1/6
Medvedev = 2/1
Alcaraz = 4/11

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

@UnderratedSlam great age shift? Djokovic is literally the only one left over 30 years old.

Please quit the 'annoying person resurrection' incantations. K rofl thx bi.

 

[I Am Finnish]

Sinner will crush Djokovic confirmed.

With other words he won't

 

[thrust]

Djokovic is the underdog against the favorite to win the tournament, Jannik.

Why would Jannik be the favorite to win this Wimbledon? If not Novak, then I would rank Alcaraz or Medvedev above Sinner to win the tournament.