Obscure/unpopular frames used by pros

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
I once gave the Rossignol president a ride to the airport. I told him that there was no way Mats used that flimsy piece of junk. He asked me to keep quiet about the fact that Mats did use a much stiffer layup than what they sold. Probably ok to spill the beans now! ;)
Seriously? Can we know a bit more about it now that time has flied...? Thanks!
 
Yep no doubt the f200 was soft. Had a tennis pro buddy hire wilander on wheels and mats had one with him an old white f 200 said it was his favorite frame of the bunch. My buddy got too hit with it after wilander was using it in the demo.
Said it was softer than his grey first edition f 200, so go figure .
 

lefty10spro

Semi-Pro
Seriously? Can we know a bit more about it now that time has flied...? Thanks!
This would have been about 1988 and the central Florida academy I worked at signed a 1 year contract with Rossignol. He said it was custom made for Mats, but I'll bet by today's standards it was still a noodle! I probably shouldn't have called the retail version "junk"! One man's junk is another man's treasure!!
 

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
This would have been about 1988 and the central Florida academy I worked at signed a 1 year contract with Rossignol. He said it was custom made for Mats, but I'll bet by today's standards it was still a noodle! I probably shouldn't have called the retail version "junk"! One man's junk is another man's treasure!!
Nice story, thanks. I never heard that they were custom made for Mats before but it's not surprising either. Working in Florida, lucky you… :p

One man's junk is another man's treasure!!
Well said!
 

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
Yep no doubt the f200 was soft. Had a tennis pro buddy hire wilander on wheels and mats had one with him an old white f 200 said it was his favorite frame of the bunch. My buddy got too hit with it after wilander was using it in the demo.
Said it was softer than his grey first edition f 200, so go figure .
Back in the days, I used to see many women playing with the white F200 that you mentioned, this could explain that.

I would love to hit some balls with Mats, I heard that WOW are having a break but I haven't checked their website.
 

joe sch

Legend
It’s crazy, he’s still playing at age 43 (44 in a few months). Love it!
For sure one of the most unusual rackets and old school games with unique jump serve *and* to be still playing at this level at 44.
With this racket and SV game at this age, he was just getting easily passed and outhit by Kozlov who may crack the top 100 atp after 10 years on the tour. Gotta give it up for Brian for his love of the game and effort to keep competing at this level.
 

joe sch

Legend
Yep no doubt the f200 was soft. Had a tennis pro buddy hire wilander on wheels and mats had one with him an old white f 200 said it was his favorite frame of the bunch. My buddy got too hit with it after wilander was using it in the demo.
Said it was softer than his grey first edition f 200, so go figure .
The F200 rackets were very flexible and rossi did stiffen up some of the later series models as can be seen by the below data:

Rossignol F200 (Blue) 349/12.31/33/345
Rossignol F200 (Green) 340/11.99/36/340
Rossignol F200 (Grey) 405/14.29/42/383
Rossignol F200 (White) 344/12.13/36/326
Rossignol F210 355/12.52/40/342
Rossignol F230 358/12.63/45/331
Rossignol F250 358/12.63/60/349
Rossignol F335 372/13.12/42/374
Rossignol F340 (A) 364/12.84/59/343
Rossignol F340 (B) 361/12.73/60/342

I still have a nice mix of F-series rackets that need more loving since Im not hitting much these days.
 
This Rossignol F200 Carbon is more unique to be very flexible racquet rather than about shape of inverted bridge. It's the most soft racquet i've ever tried, RA is about 22 or so. So it fits Mat's playing style perfectly, all his wins were with this racquet.

Don't think I've ever heard of a flex that low, like using a fishing pole.
 

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
Talking about Rossis, I'm about to throw out 3 F200 from 1982, all in good shape. Can't believe I'm about to do this but they've been shelved for ages. I guess nobody would want them for free or I can't sell them either, even at a cheap price. I know neither me nor anyone else of my entourage will use them anymore so...

Good news is that I still have one model from 1982, another one from 1984 and the 1986 Mats Wilander signature, which I will never throw away.

You can put a (n) to this post, I won't blame you lol.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Talking about Rossis, I'm about to throw out 3 F200 from 1982, all in good shape. Can't believe I'm about to do this but they've been shelved for ages. I guess nobody would want them for free or I can't sell them either, even at a cheap price. I know neither me nor anyone else of my entourage will use them anymore so...

Good news is that I still have one model from 1982, another one from 1984 and the 1986 Mats Wilander signature, which I will never throw away.

You can put a (n) to this post, I won't blame you lol.
Don’t throw the racquets away. At the very least give it to charity.
 

Grafil Injection

Hall of Fame
You could argue the F200 was the most successful of the 'Obscure / Unpopular amongst Pros' selection. There were always a good range of Rossis at my local shops in the 80s to early 90s, even though everyone knew the flex was bizarre. They were still taken reasonably seriously. You definitely shouldn't throw them out. One in fine 8ish condition went for $55ish on ukbay recently.
 
I have seen the two-handle racquet before but it's first time to watch someone actually plays with it. Not just the racquet but his serve is really unorthodox: tossing and serving with the same hand. Wow. He also does serve & volley. I wished the guy'd won but.. Thanks for the video.

Only Cressy has that volleying talent of all the current pros.
I love to see Max take charge and take it to guys like Rune and others that dont know how to counter it.
 

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
You could argue the F200 was the most successful of the 'Obscure / Unpopular amongst Pros' selection. There were always a good range of Rossis at my local shops in the 80s to early 90s, even though everyone knew the flex was bizarre. They were still taken reasonably seriously. You definitely shouldn't throw them out. One in fine 8ish condition went for $55ish on ukbay recently.
Not that I want to throw them, quite the contrary. I have never imagined that one day I could get rid of them like this. Thing is, I live in France and there are tons of Rossis that are for sale already, and for barely nothing. It's not even for the money, I don't care. It's just that it's unlikely to be sold. Give them to charity why not, but I wonder who could be interested in such museum pieces. I'll inquire and we'll see.
 

BorgCash

Legend
Talking about Rossis, I'm about to throw out 3 F200 from 1982, all in good shape. Can't believe I'm about to do this but they've been shelved for ages. I guess nobody would want them for free or I can't sell them either, even at a cheap price. I know neither me nor anyone else of my entourage will use them anymore so...

Good news is that I still have one model from 1982, another one from 1984 and the 1986 Mats Wilander signature, which I will never throw away.

You can put a (n) to this post, I won't blame you lol.
Good racquets, don't throw away.
 

Crocodile

Legend
i still got Emrik Magnum, something like Masur used. It was my dear daddy (R.I.P.), he bought it when worked in Australia. Hope you are ok on Heaven, my dear daddy, i miss you so much...
There was one Emrik Wally used which was marketed as the Pinnacle. It was a graphite ceramic composite. I bought an Emrik Blitz 3 which was white in colour and had a Rossignol throat but it cracked in two days due to the ceramic problems and the shop let me swap it for a Wimbledon Graphite which was a beauty.
 

BorgCash

Legend
There was one Emrik Wally used which was marketed as the Pinnacle. It was a graphite ceramic composite. I bought an Emrik Blitz 3 which was white in colour and had a Rossignol throat but it cracked in two days due to the ceramic problems and the shop let me swap it for a Wimbledon Graphite which was a beauty.
I still have a picture from Australian magazine of 1986, there are Aussies Davis Cup team of that period, players hold their racquets. So, there Wally with Emrik identical with mine Magnum, just little different painting, Pat Cash with Prince Magnesium Pro 90, Paul McNamee with Prince Original Graphite Oversize, John Fitzgerald with Pro-Kennex Silver Ace (i think). All players are great so are the racquets.
 

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
6 f200 seems like enough. Send me some pictures.
I will. They're all 1982 F200s, one is grip 1, not too sure why and the two others are grip 3, as far as I recall. The three remaining (1982, 1985 and 1986) will stay at home forever I guess, as a souvenir of a time long gone lol.

Use which makes you most happy
Very well said.

none of us are getting any younger
Unfortunately, not.
 

Grafil Injection

Hall of Fame
I guess I could. I've used them until 1996 which it ain't bad, till I thought that maybe I should play with a more modern racket. I switched to Head for a few years...

I still have 6 F200 at home.
Do you have the specs (weight & balance) for them? My F200 is 354g but even balanced (34.25cm) so it feels like a nasty club. I'd love to try one that is about 2cm more headlight.
 

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
Do you have the specs (weight & balance) for them? My F200 is 354g but even balanced (34.25cm) so it feels like a nasty club. I'd love to try one that is about 2cm more headlight.
I have never measured them because I haven't used these Rossis for so long, but I have access to a Babolat RDC. Just give me a few days and I'll be able to give you their specs. Thanks.
 

NicoMK

Hall of Fame
What's the model? I like old racquets, regularly play with 80's sticks.
80s and early 90s sticks were really great, sure. I play with the Fischer Vacuum Plus Pro aka Vacuum Pro Classic 98. First hit with it by accident during summer 1999 and knew that I had found the racket of my life lol. Oh, I tried other frames on and off over the years but nothing that could match the unique Fischer feel, which I love.

What's your racket(s) of choice @BorgCash?
 
- Brad Gilbert with Fox and towel grip?

- Carina Karlsson with Prince Precision Graphite

- Andre Agassi with his non-oversize Donnay Pro One

- Juli Furos with his round Adidas

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- Richey Reneberg and first gen. Babolat Pure Control

- Elena Wagner RoxPro?

Just a few..

(If somebody missed it, there are some resently added reviews in this fb page.)
 
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BorgCash

Legend
80s and early 90s sticks were really great, sure. I play with the Fischer Vacuum Plus Pro aka Vacuum Pro Classic 98. First hit with it by accident during summer 1999 and knew that I had found the racket of my life lol. Oh, I tried other frames on and off over the years but nothing that could match the unique Fischer feel, which I love.

What's your racket(s) of choice @BorgCash?
I really like old racquets. I started to play in 1982 with woodie, tried many racquets, now have about 200 in my collection. I understand you about Fischer Vacuum Pro, the feeling is very unique, i like small headed sticks, so my choice is Vacuum Pro 90, Michael Stich' racquet. I also like legendary PS Mid (85), similar Donnay racquets, Dunlop Max 200G, POG Mid Plus. From more modern stuff i like Dunlop 200 & 300 series, old Prestige, Yonex RD-7.
 

BorgCash

Legend
Always thought those Grand Prix frames looked like an early version of the GTX.
Not like this. All the versions of GTX, it was actually two versions as i know (first - was made by Kneissl - White Star Pro Masters in Adidas pj and was named GTX Pro, second was already made by Adidas and named GTX Pro-T) were different only by layup, the frame was identical. Grand Prix is very different, smaller head, thinner frame, different shape. Probably it was designed by Adidas, i don't know. Another question, was Grand Prix used by Lendl or not for a short period before his 10-year contract with Adidas? I don't think so, Lendl already played with Kneissl WSPM and liked it, and GP is very different. Though i saw some pictures of Lendl playing with all-black racquet. What was it? GP or some experimental one?
 

kevin qmto

Hall of Fame
Not like this. All the versions of GTX, it was actually two versions as i know (first - was made by Kneissl - White Star Pro Masters in Adidas pj and was named GTX Pro, second was already made by Adidas and named GTX Pro-T) were different only by layup, the frame was identical. Grand Prix is very different, smaller head, thinner frame, different shape. Probably it was designed by Adidas, i don't know. Another question, was Grand Prix used by Lendl or not for a short period before his 10-year contract with Adidas? I don't think so, Lendl already played with Kneissl WSPM and liked it, and GP is very different. Though i saw some pictures of Lendl playing with all-black racquet. What was it? GP or some experimental one?
Pretty sure you can see very young Ivan Lendl using the Adidas Grand Prix in 1978.
 

Sanglier

Semi-Pro
I don't know, maybe he tested GP racquet before contracted with Adidas? When was it, before or after Kneissl? Perhaps somebody will help with this info.

It looks like you might have forgotten about this thread of your own from a few years back :). It contains a link to an older thread that shows a photo of the young Lendl wielding that presumed "Grand Prix", though the latter is now badly obscured by an annoying Photobucket watermark.

The "Grand Prix" is very different from its contemporary Kneissl contract frames. It also doesn't look very Fischer-y to me, as the latter seems to have been fully committed to making only diamond shaped mono-shaft frames with boxy beams at that time. Head frames were hollow by design, requiring a thick beam profile for added strength; the "Grand Prix" is too svelte to be similarly constructed. This leaves Montana as a (most?) likely candidate. After all, Adidas' first 100% composite frame, the 1975 "Adistar", was a reworked Montana "Powerplay". However, it's a pretty big jump from the "Powerplay" to the "Grand Prix", and there is no evidence of a Montana-badged "Grand Prix" from that era. So who knows?

In any case, Adidas was sourcing their frames from all sorts of manufacturers in the mid-late '70s, including very obscure small manufacturers that came and went almost unnoticed (e.g., Karl Heinz Kircherer's "Fiber Top"). It is entirely possible that the "Grand Prix" was not made by any of the Austrian vendors we have mentioned so far. There were other ski manufacturers of renown who had the means and knowhow to make this frame if they had been inclined to join the fray. Kästle and Blizzard are two significant players of that era that come to mind, who could have easily followed their competitors down this path, but were either too timid and/or too smart to take the plunge. Perhaps one of them did in fact test the water incognito through an Adidas contract?
 
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