OE: the best player in two years

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Legend
I try to go back through the years to get to the beginning of the Open Era.

2018-2019: DJOKOVIC
2016-2017: NADAL
2014-2015: DJOKOVIC
2012-2013: DJOKOVIC
2010-2011: NADAL
2008-2009: FEDERER
2006-2007: FEDERER
2004-2005: FEDERER
2002-2003: AGASSI
2000-2001: KUERTEN
1998-1999: SAMPRAS
1996-1997: SAMPRAS
1994-1995: SAMPRAS
1992-1993: COURIER
1990-1991: EDBERG
1988-1989: LENDL
1986-1987: LENDL
1984-1985: MCENROE
1982-1983: CONNORS
1980-1981: MCENROE
1978-1979: BORG
1976-1977: CONNORS
1974-1975: CONNORS
1972-1973: NASTASE
1970-1971: LAVER
1968-1969: LAVER
 
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I try to go back through the years to get to the beginning of the Open Era.

2018-2019: DJOKOVIC
2016-2017:
2014-2015: DJOKOVIC
2012-2013: DJOKOVIC
2010-2011: NADAL
2008-2009: FEDERER
2006-2007: FEDERER
2004-2005: FEDERER
2002-2003: HEWITT ?
2000-2001:
1998-1999:
1996-1997: SAMPRAS
1994-1995: SAMPRAS
1992-1993: SAMPRAS ?
1990-1991: EDBERG
1988-1989: LENDL
1986-1987: LENDL
1984-1985: MCENROE
1982-1983: CONNORS
1980-1981: MCENROE
1978-1979: BORG
1976-1977: CONNORS
1974-1975: CONNORS
1972-1973
1970-1971: LAVER
1968-1969: LAVER

Working in progress...

1972-1973: Newcombe or Nastase
1992-1993: Courier (3 Majors and 2 finals vs. 2 Majors and 1 final for Sampras)
1998-1999: Sampras (WTF gives him the edge over Agassi, whose 1998 was also too weak)
2000-2001: Kuerten (extra Masters Series titles over Hewitt)
2002-2003: Really tough call. Probably Roddick b/c Hewitt finished #17 in 2003
2016-2017: Nadal b/c Nadal was YE#1 in 2017 and Djokovic's 2017 was worse than Nadal's 2016.
 
2016-17 goes to Djoker:

2016-2017
Nadal
107-26, .805 overall
2 slam titles
3 masters
8 titles overall

2016-17 Federer
75-12, .862 overall
2 slam titles
3 masters
7 titles overall

Djoker
97-17, .851 overall
2 slam titles
4 Masters
9 titles
 
2016-17 goes to Djoker:

2016-2017
Nadal
107-26, .805 overall
2 slam titles
3 masters
8 titles overall

2016-17 Federer
75-12, .862 overall
2 slam titles
3 masters
7 titles overall

Djoker
97-17, .851 overall
2 slam titles
4 Masters
9 titles

I'd give Nadal the slight edge over Djokovic. Djokovic has the extra Masters Series title, but (1) Nadal was YE#1 in 2017 while Djokovic was YE#2 in 2016; and (2) Nadal was YE#9 in 2016 while Djokovic was YE#12 in 2017. I think the YE#1 and 2 years in the top 10 trumps Djokovic's extra Masters Series title.
 
I try to go back through the years to get to the beginning of the Open Era.

2018-2019: DJOKOVIC
2016-2017:
2014-2015: DJOKOVIC
2012-2013: DJOKOVIC
2010-2011: NADAL
2008-2009: FEDERER
2006-2007: FEDERER
2004-2005: FEDERER
2002-2003: HEWITT ?
2000-2001:
1998-1999:
1996-1997: SAMPRAS
1994-1995: SAMPRAS
1992-1993: SAMPRAS ?
1990-1991: EDBERG
1988-1989: LENDL
1986-1987: LENDL
1984-1985: MCENROE
1982-1983: CONNORS
1980-1981: MCENROE
1978-1979: BORG
1976-1977: CONNORS
1974-1975: CONNORS
1972-1973
1970-1971: LAVER
1968-1969: LAVER

Working in progress...
2018-2019: Djokovic/Nadal
2017-2018: Nadal
2016-2017: Murray
2015-2016: Djokovic
2014-2015: Djokovic
2013-2014: Djokovic
2012-2013: Djokovic
2011-2012: Djokovic
2010-2011: Nadal
2009-2010: Nadal
2008-2009: Nadal
2007-2008: Federer
2006-2007: Federer
2005-2006: Federer
2004-2005: Federer
2003-2004: Federer
2002-2003: Agassi
2001-2002: Hewitt
2000-2001: Kuerten
 
Why don't you just check ATP points?

2018-19 Djokovic
2017-18 Nadal
2016-17 Murray
2015-16 Djokovic
2014-15 Djokovic
2013-14 Djokovic
2012-13 Djokovic
2011-12 Djokovic
2010-11 Nadal
2009-10 Nadal
2008-09 Nadal
2007-08 Federer
2006-07 Federer
2005-06 Federer
2004-05 Federer
2003-04 Federer
2002-03 Federer
2001-02 Hewitt
2000-01 Kuerten
 
Why don't you just check ATP points?

2018-19 Djokovic
2017-18 Nadal
2016-17 Murray
2015-16 Djokovic
2014-15 Djokovic
2013-14 Djokovic
2012-13 Djokovic
2011-12 Djokovic
2010-11 Nadal
2009-10 Nadal
2008-09 Nadal
2007-08 Federer
2006-07 Federer
2005-06 Federer
2004-05 Federer
2003-04 Federer
2002-03 Federer
2001-02 Hewitt
2000-01 Kuerten
Points are misleading in the earlier years. Agassi should be above Federer in 2002-2003.
 
Do you insult everyone that doesn't make Nadal look good?
No I don’t. All you do w every single post of yours is to make Novak look good. That’s your intention with every word you are writing. You are worse than even the most crazy Fed fans in here. You made me appreciate them more so thank you for that.
 
In 1980-1981 Borg won 5 of the 8 biggest titles during those calendar years and made the finals of the three others.

McEnroe won 3 of those 8.

Borg- Masters YEC played in Jan. 80 and Jan. 81 (5-0 vs. Lendl, McEnroe and Connors during those two tourneys), 80 FO, ‘80 W, ‘81 FO

McEnroe-‘80 USO and ‘81 W and ‘81 US Open.
 
No I don’t. All you do w every single post of yours is to make Novak look good. That’s your intention with every word you are writing. You are worse than even the most crazy Fed fans in here. You made me appreciate them more so thank you for that.
This stat shows that Nadal is not as dominant as Djokovic and Federer across two years. I think it's interesting. You have to accept it without insulting anyone.
 
Why only in earlier years?
Well, at least in those 2. Agassi went further in most slams, they both won 1 slam, but Agassi made another final and several quarters. Federer didn't. Federer only really beats him by playing more 500-level events. I don't think it's as simple as counting point totals.
 
Well, at least in those 2. Agassi went further in most slams, they both won 1 slam, but Agassi made another final and several quarters. Federer didn't. Federer only really beats him by playing more 500-level events. I don't think it's as simple as counting point totals.
Well this is how ATP ranking works. You can make your own rankings, I just used the ATP system.
 
1972-1973: Newcombe or Nastase
1992-1993: Courier (3 Majors and 2 finals vs. 2 Majors and 1 final for Sampras)
1998-1999: Sampras (WTF gives him the edge over Agassi, whose 1998 was also too weak)
2000-2001: Kuerten (extra Masters Series titles over Hewitt)
2002-2003: Really tough call. Probably Roddick b/c Hewitt finished #17 in 2003
2016-2017: Nadal b/c Nadal was YE#1 in 2017 and Djokovic's 2017 was worse than Nadal's 2016.
1972-1973: I try to verify better but I think that in the two years Nastase has won more
1992-1993: I agree with Courier
1998-1999: I agree with Sampras
2000-2001: very close but perhaps Kuerten is slightly ahead of Hewitt
2002-2003: Federer ?
2016-2017: Murray ?
 
2016-17 goes to Djoker:

2016-2017
Nadal
107-26, .805 overall
2 slam titles
3 masters
8 titles overall

2016-17 Federer
75-12, .862 overall
2 slam titles
3 masters
7 titles overall

Djoker
97-17, .851 overall
2 slam titles
4 Masters
9 titles
... and Murray ?
 
2002-2003: Federer ?
2016-2017: Murray ?

2002-2003: Roddick finished YE#1 in 2003. They both had 1 Major, but Federer had no Major QFs other than his Wimbledon win while Roddick had 2 SFs and a QF outside his U.S. Open win. I have to give the edge to Roddick.

2016-2017: Murray was YE#1 in 2016. Nadal was YE#1 in 2017. Murray won 1 Major in 2016-2017 while Nadal won 2. I have to give the edge to Nadal.
 
1. 2005-2006 Federer
2. 2015-2016 Djokovic
3. 2008-2009 Nadal

edit: I misunderstood the topic.
 
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basically confirms what we all knew already, Nadal never backs up his big years, for one reason or another. thats why I don’t expect much in 2020
 
2002-2003: Roddick finished YE#1 in 2003. They both had 1 Major, but Federer had no Major QFs other than his Wimbledon win while Roddick had 2 SFs and a QF outside his U.S. Open win. I have to give the edge to Roddick.
The doubt about Federer had come to me by observing the summation of the ATP points that puts him in command even without striking results in the slams and other big events, but in reality perhaps it is a question of placements of titles. Now I have another doubt: that maybe Agassi is better than Roddick.
Agassi: 1 slam + 4 Masters
Roddick: 1 slam + 2 Masters
... and Hewitt: 1 slam + 1 WTF + 2 Masters
 
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2016-2017: Murray was YE#1 in 2016. Nadal was YE#1 in 2017. Murray won 1 Major in 2016-2017 while Nadal won 2. I have to give the edge to Nadal.
Murray: 1 slam + 1 WTF + 3 Masters + Gold Summer Olympics
Nadal: 2 slam + 3 Masters
I think I agree with you on Nadal, but two things need to be clarified: Andy also won a very important final at the ATP Finals v Djokovic and the Olympic gold.
For me, the gold does not have much value but for many fans it is a big title . I go with Rafa because I think 1 slam> 1 WTF + 1 Gold ... but the two are really very close.
 
Not going back too far as that would belong on the Former Pro Player section.

1976-1977: Borg I guess
1978-1979: Borg by a ton
1980-1981: McEnroe
1982-1983: Connors
1984-1985: McEnroe, despite Lendl's superior 1985 and winning a slam in 84 and having a better year in 84 than McEnroe in 85. McEnroe's 84 was just amazing.
1986-1987: Lendl by a country mile
1988-1989: Becker for me, that is despite Lendl having a better (but fairly forgettable for both) 88. That is how much better I feel Becker was in 89.
1990-1991: Edberg
1992-1993: Courier easily
1994-1995: Sampras
1996-1997: Sampras
1998-1999: Sampras
2000-2001: Kuerten I guess
2002-2003: Agassi
2004-2005: Federer
2006-2007: Federer
2008-2009: Nadal
2010-2011: Nadal
2012-2013: Djokovic (?)
2014-2015: Djokovic
2016-2017: Nadal (?)
2018-2019: Djokovic


I strongly disagree with people putting Federer over Nadal for 2008-2009. Having watched poor years closely I have no doubt Nadal was further ahead of Federer in 2008 than Federer ahead of Nadal in 2009. Maybe not in slam results, but overall. Federer didn't even win a Masters title or anything outside his U.S Open in 2008. And really should have ended that year #3 behind Djokovic. Federer didn't even look for a moment like he would ever be #1 in 2009 until the huge French Open upset. Both have 3 slams, neither won the YEC, Federer has more slam finals but Nadal still reached the semis or better of 6 of 7 slams he played, and Nadal has a ton more Masters. Combining the two years it is Nadal easily for me. Plus as an earlier poster said wasn't the ATP points gap a lot more for Nadal in 2008 than Federer in 2009? Someone can confirm if this is true or false but it is how I remember it. At the very least it was more.

I also don't see how some of you are not putting Agassi for 2002-2003. Hewitt was tops in 2002 but garbage in 2003. Federer was nowhere in 2002. Roddick was nowhere in 2002. Agassi was a close #2 in 2002, and a close #4 in contention for #1 in 2003. The only knock is winning only 1 major, but guess what, nobody else won more than 1 either.

2012-2013 was a close call for me but I went with Djokovic. 2016-2017 was even tougher. You could make a case for any of Nadal, Federer, Djokovic, or Murray. And of course the common thread is each had only 1 good year.

2018-2019 was not that close for me. Nadal was nowhere near #1 at the end of 2018 unlike Djokovic in 2019 plus 1 more major. Plus Nadal barely winning tournaments (outside his 2 U.S Opens) never mind Masters or semi big tournaments outside of clay.
 
I'm lazy so finding two year gaps would take too long to come up with, so I'll go with every five years (which is the span of years that most ppl on TTW consider one tennis generation):

2015-2019: Djokovic (9 major titles)
2010-2014: Nadal (8 major titles)
2005-2009: Federer (11 major titles)
2000-2004: Agassi (3 major titles)
1995-1999: Sampras (7 major titles)
1990-1994: Edberg/Sampras/Courier (3/5/4 major titles, respectively) - I'm fine with any of the three being the best from '90-'94
1985-1989: Lendl (6 major)
1980-1984: McEnroe (6 major)
1975-1979: Borg (7 major)
1970-1974: Newcombe/Connors (5/3 major titles, respectively)
1965-1969: Laver (11 pro/major titles)

For WTA:

2015-2019: Serena/Kerber
2010-2014: Serena
2005-2009: Henin/Serena
2000-2004: Serena/Venus
1995-1999: Graf/Hingis
1990-1994: Seles/Graf
1985-1989: Graf/Navratilova
1980-1984: Navratilova
1975-1979: Evert
1970-1974: Court
1965-1969: Court
 
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No I don’t. All you do w every single post of yours is to make Novak look good. That’s your intention with every word you are writing. You are worse than even the most crazy Fed fans in here. You made me appreciate them more so thank you for that.

I thought you were a Novak fan. I thought he was your favorite in fact.
 
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