Official Sureshs tribute thread

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Herr Sentinel ... thanks for the kind words! (y) My main interest is in the culture of Hinduism. I worship the Bhagavad Gita and Srimad Bhagavatam.

IT is just a means to pay my bills.

:)
That is hard to believe judging by the language you have been using here. If you do read the Bhagavad Gita or any other sacred text, you should never mouth or even think the kind of words you have been using here.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Vedic math is not what was quoted in books as is referenced in this article. Vedic math is a method for calculations just like when I give you two double digit numbers to multiply you automatically start multiplying the units place digits first etc. Vedic math has a different way of multiplying. It is like using abacus instead of matchsticks for addition. I did a bit of Vedic math. It's fun for simple calculations but tedious for longer ones. I know that in the present times some silly things are being quoted in the name of Vedic times by ignorant people but you might want to check what Fields medalist Manjul Bhargava has to say on the topic of relying on some clever work from the past-

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/magazines/panache/leave-out-tech-urbanisation-turn-to-classics-for-values-manjul-bhargava/amp_articleshow/64378591.cms

The 11000 yojana may be a wrong calculation but the almanacs that are made every year with accurate calculation of eclipses, sunrise, sunset timings is quite fascinating and is done on the basis of Vedic math. Not everything in the past was wrong and neither everything in the present world is perfect.
I have "studied" Vedic Math is a temple summer camp here. Mostly it is:

Approximations for stuff like areas for which the correct answer has been known for several centuries.
Special case lists for simplifying operations on long numbers which work only for those special cases and are useless otherwise.
Deliberate attribution of meaning to Sanskrit verses to reverse engineer them to claim they say something profound.

It was a great achievement for a society a few thousand years ago, but for government-funded scientists to consult with a guy who has been an outspoken Hindu fundamentalist is bad in itself, but then their scientific duty requires that they publicly correct him now, since the numbers are so wrong. But they will lose their jobs so they won't.

This is almost like the Creation museums here which show humans and dinosaurs playing together. Christians have no choice, since their religion relies on a book being totally true. Anything false means the religion collapses. But Hinduism and Buddhism are not like that and there is no need to make them like that.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
That is quite close to the diameter of Jupiter.
Maybe they are talking of something else.

Surely the scientists would have pointed out this issue.

Maybe the moon has reduced in size over the last 3000 years from the size of Jupiter to the current size. Consdering it is made of cheese, maybe you have been eating it all this time.

Which implies that Earth once was a moon of Moon, and after a while things switched.
The main problem is that they seem not to have pointed out the problem.

The moon was much bigger in the sky at one time - but that was long before humans arrived. It has moved back a lot by the time they did.
 

Azure

Hall of Fame
It was a great achievement for a society a few thousand years ago, but for government-funded scientists to consult with a guy who has been an outspoken Hindu fundamentalist is bad in itself, but then their scientific duty requires that they publicly correct him now, since the numbers are so wrong. But they will lose their jobs so they won't.
Agree.

Deliberate attribution of meaning to Sanskrit verses
This I do not know, may be your personal experience. I learnt it from my school math teacher who was not hindu (I studied in a Catholic school) and no sanskrit was quoted. It was merely some technique for multiplication, addition etc. Of course I stated in my original reply that it gets tedious with longer calculations.

By the way, your news source does not seem credible. I did not see one credible news site reporting this. DNA is a tabloid newspaper. I guess some trolls doing this.

http://www.hoaxorfact.com/science/puri-seer-vedic-mathematics-chandrayaan-2.html
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Twenty yugas ago I worked on an app that calculated planetary positions, and we used to confirm it with (i think it was) the Lahiri Ayanamsa. Tonnes of scientific/mathematical calculations to get to the same numbers as they had.

As far as I can guess, if they've been calculating lunar and planetary positions correctly for centuries then they probably knew that the moon orbits the earth and that the earth orbits the Sun long before Europe knew about it. My guess.
Yes the almanacs are extremely accurate and quite an achievement for people without telescopes. The did not know about Uranus or Pluto (Pluto anyway is not considered a planet anymore) but otherwise got the orbits right.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Agree.


This I do not know, may be your personal experience. I learnt it from my school math teacher who was not hindu (I studied in a Catholic school) and no sanskrit was quoted. It was merely some technique for multiplication, addition etc. Of course I stated in my original reply that it gets tedious with longer calculations.

By the way, your news source does not seem credible. I did not see one credible news site reporting this. DNA is a tabloid newspaper. I guess some trolls doing this.

http://www.hoaxorfact.com/science/puri-seer-vedic-mathematics-chandrayaan-2.html
That is great news then. ISRO has a great scientific reputation and should not be consulting these guys. Even inviting him was a big mistake. He has no credentials for the topic. The latest fad is to invite Jaggi to every University and scientific department.

Here are good comments:

I've had it with the pseudoscientific claims about ancient India.
Answered Aug 12, 2019 · Upvoted by Ananya Manas, M.Sc. Mathematics, Indian Institute of Technology, Kanpur (2016) · Author has 1.8k answers and 8.9m answer views

No, this is utter ********.
There is nothing in Vedic mathematics to be of any use to a modern mathematician or engineer. It is a modern-day fabrication of mental tricks with no connections to the Vedas. What happened in all probability is that the Shankaracharya was invited to ISRO for a courtesy visit, perhaps by one of his devotees. And he used the Chandrayaan launch to gain some publicity by exaggerating that visit. I hope that ISRO learns its lesson and stops inviting such people who are of no use to the organization and misuse the invitation to mislead others.
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Worse, look at the ratio of the circumference and the diameter. It is exactly three here, which is the crudest approximation for pi. Good luck getting a rocket to the moon by taking pi=3 in your calculations!
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At least ISRO is not directly to blame here. This is just some random spiritualist guy trying to gain some followers by exaggerating a courtesy invitation. And some journalists who did not pass high school apparently or forgot everything they learnt there decided to publish it as news.

But then, ISRO gives enough fodder for such folks. The ISRO chairman and other scientists apparently visit Tirupati Temple with a rocket replica before every launch.[7] I don't care what his personal beliefs and private religious rituals are, but he should not be doing something like that publicly and in official capacity while heading a secular nation's major scientific organization.[8] They also invite people like serial pseudoscience peddler Sadhguru[9] to events.
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stringertom

Bionic Poster
Yes the almanacs are extremely accurate and quite an achievement for people without telescopes. The did not know about Uranus or Pluto (Pluto anyway is not considered a planet anymore) but otherwise got the orbits right.
Theigh new abowt Uranus bcoz theigh new won uv ewer ancestors.
 

Sudacafan

G.O.A.T.
Though I understand thees Mathematics discussions are really serious, forgive me if I·m only enterested in scientific studies regarding the Drop Volley(TM) develop(e)ments.
Please notyfi me only if and when some new and groundbreaking footage comes up.
In that pursuit, I may only consider to join in Topless Doubles 3.0 or 3.5 Internet League, if it's mandatory according to STC Corporate Code of Conduct.
 

Azure

Hall of Fame
Though I understand thees Mathematics discussions are really serious, forgive me if I·m only enterested in scientific studies regarding the Drop Volley(TM) develop(e)ments.
Please notyfi me only if and when some new and groundbreaking footage comes up.
In that pursuit, I may only consider to join in Topless Doubles 3.0 or 3.5 Internet League, if it's mandatory according to STC Corporate Code of Conduct.
You don't understand the reasoning behind these discussions - food weight measurements and belly diameter measurements are indeed extremely serious matters for reshians.
 

Sudacafan

G.O.A.T.
Omg I hate these corporate gurus - jaggi, Sri Sri etc. They charge a bloody hell of money, plunder the environment to build their so called five star ashrams and hoodwink people. Real ashrams are so rare these days.
"Those corporate gurus need to be imprisoned, and their acolytes put in probation."
Source: Précis of Rightwing & Leftwing Consolidated Ethics Manual
Rabbi Dgold and Sir Bartelby
(c) 2019 - Kibbutz Editions
 

Sunny Ali

Professional
That is hard to believe judging by the language you have been using here. If you do read the Bhagavad Gita or any other sacred text, you should never mouth or even think the kind of words you have been using here.
@Sudacafan , @Raul_SJ, @sureshs @Sentinel and anyone I may have missed. You have all made interesting points worth considering.

Now so far as the language is concerned, Herr Sentinel has brought up a great point. I would like to agree with him but I'm not sure. Are spirituality and the use of profanity mutually exclusive? Please advise.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Suresh ...you must understand most humans are imperfect. Just as the big bang and the Darwin's theory of evolution are laughably wrong.
This iz sew wrong!

A) Sabooshs is peRFect

B) The Real Big Bang was very real and happened when Sabooshs first encountered and devoured Hiz furst Chili’s Awesome Blossom.

C) Darwin can be proven to be spot on by doing a side-by-side photograph montage of The Big Yeti and Sabooshs on court in neon pink and slime green. Eye will connect ewe whiff @Genious at Work hoo haz thoze fotoz on file.
 

Sunny Ali

Professional
Omg I hate these corporate gurus - jaggi, Sri Sri etc. They charge a bloody hell of money, plunder the environment to build their so called five star ashrams and hoodwink people. Real ashrams are so rare these days.
This is why I say time and again. The biggest enemies of Hindus are not the ones that bribe people to convert them to a cross-wearing cult but Hindus themselves. Do you have any idea about the contributions of Sadguru or Sri Sri Ravishankar? Sorry, but your comment reeks of ignorance!

Here you are criticizing these people but I haven't seen you make a single remark about the many folks that want their congregations to pay for a personal jet to 'propagate the Lord's message' :unsure:
 

Azure

Hall of Fame
This is why I say time and again. The biggest enemies of Hindus are not the ones that bribe people to convert them to a cross-wearing cult but Hindus themselves. Do you have any idea about the contributions of Sadguru or Sri Sri Ravishankar? Sorry, but your comment reeks of ignorance!

Here you are criticizing these people but I haven't seen you make a single remark about the many folks that want their congregations to pay for a personal jet to 'propagate the Lord's message' :unsure:
Don't care for the ones who blabber nonsense. I am worried about the ones seemingly talking intelligent but are actually duping people. Corporate gurus destroying the environment are a big no no. Finding the right guru is a lifetime's search. We found Resh by means of great good karma.
 

Azure

Hall of Fame
The multiemoji system was shortlived?
Back to the like-only menu?
There's no like button too!!! I was doing so well on my ratio :cry: my entire life's identity was built around that - my worth was determined by the fictitious likes on my posts despite the constant disappointment that Shresh never gave me one even once although he seems to quote me these days which fills me with immense joy. Now I am lost. :cry::cry:
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
This is why I say time and again. The biggest enemies of Hindus are not the ones that bribe people to convert them to a cross-wearing cult but Hindus themselves. Do you have any idea about the contributions of Sadguru or Sri Sri Ravishankar? Sorry, but your comment reeks of ignorance!

Here you are criticizing these people but I haven't seen you make a single remark about the many folks that want their congregations to pay for a personal jet to 'propagate the Lord's message' :unsure:
A friend took me to dinner at Sadh(not Sad)Guru's restaurant in Chennai - Mahamudra. So so food.

Sad and SS are extremely good psychologists. That is the basis for their popularity. On top of that, they have a superficial knowledge of ancient Hinduism (not at the depth of real priests, but more than the average guy) and a superficial knowledge of Science, especially Sad. So they mix and match according to their convenience and people are impressed. And further on top of that, they have positioned themselves as champions of Sanatana Dharma, which their followers think is needed to counteract the propaganda of wealthy nations or cruel nations imposing their narrow ideas on others. Even Hindus who can easily see through their ignorance of real Hinduism or real Science grudgingly accept that such people are needed as an antidote to powerful vested interests which want to destabilize any culture not fitting their agenda. Many people miss the last part and think that Sad and SS and others like them are to be judged by their literal statements. Hindus have no friends anywhere so people like these are the only ones sticking their necks out. It is interesting that someone said that lack of visibility in the world is a sure trigger for the extermination of peoples (analogous to the benefits of labeling endangered species). These imperfect guys serve as some kind of global ambassadors to remind people that there is a whole world out there beyond the confines of the two major religions and their petty wars.
 

Sudacafan

G.O.A.T.
This is to inform that, after this quote, I am not posting anything more in TTW until the reaction menu, or at least the like button, is restored.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
There's no like button too!!! I was doing so well on my ratio :cry: my entire life's identity was built around that - my worth was determined by the fictitious likes on my posts despite the constant disappointment that Shresh never gave me one even once although he seems to quote me these days which fills me with immense joy. Now I am lost. :cry::cry:
Theigh wanna maik awl uv us “like” misers lyke miserreshs!
 

Sunny Ali

Professional
Don't care for the ones who blabber nonsense. I am worried about the ones seemingly talking intelligent but are actually duping people. Corporate gurus destroying the environment are a big no no. Finding the right guru is a lifetime's search. We found Resh by means of great good karma.
Nice post (y)
 

Sunny Ali

Professional
A friend took me to dinner at Sadh(not Sad)Guru's restaurant in Chennai - Mahamudra. So so food.

Sad and SS are extremely good psychologists. That is the basis for their popularity. On top of that, they have a superficial knowledge of ancient Hinduism (not at the depth of real priests, but more than the average guy) and a superficial knowledge of Science, especially Sad. So they mix and match according to their convenience and people are impressed. And further on top of that, they have positioned themselves as champions of Sanatana Dharma, which their followers think is needed to counteract the propaganda of wealthy nations or cruel nations imposing their narrow ideas on others. Even Hindus who can easily see through their ignorance of real Hinduism or real Science grudgingly accept that such people are needed as an antidote to powerful vested interests which want to destabilize any culture not fitting their agenda. Many people miss the last part and think that Sad and SS and others like them are to be judged by their literal statements. Hindus have no friends anywhere so people like these are the only ones sticking their necks out. It is interesting that someone said that lack of visibility in the world is a sure trigger for the extermination of peoples (analogous to the benefits of labeling endangered species). These imperfect guys serve as some kind of global ambassadors to remind people that there is a whole world out there beyond the confines of the two major religions and their petty wars.
Awesome post X 10000, Suresh bhai! Some superb points in this post (y):)
 

Sunny Ali

Professional
This iz sew wrong!

A) Sabooshs is peRFect

B) The Real Big Bang was very real and happened when Sabooshs first encountered and devoured Hiz furst Chili’s Awesome Blossom.

C) Darwin can be proven to be spot on by doing a side-by-side photograph montage of The Big Yeti and Sabooshs on court in neon pink and slime green. Eye will connect ewe whiff @Genious at Work hoo haz thoze fotoz on file.
Otha Omala, point B had me :-D on the floor! :)
 

Sunny Ali

Professional
Otha Lavade-ka-baal Sentinel ... what have words got to do with spirituality. All the scriptures of the world say we are not this body, we are spirit soul. Material words have no effect on the soul :)
 

Sudacafan

G.O.A.T.
If the Like buttons never existed would u still believe in the Spray?
Consider this a like for all practical purposes, jokes included.

All,
Please send me any likes you find suitable via quote.
This messaging system has been somewhat downgraded, but it’s secure.
 
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