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I put 15 cm of lead at the 4 sides and strung Diadem Solstice Power 18 in the cross and Diadem Evolution 17 in the main ( my winter set-up) at 16 kilo's ( play normal with 15 in my PT57A's) and have to try it to day. I didnt like the lead at 3&9. Didnt feel stable..



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so you leaded up all over the place and still did not feel right nor stable LOL so funny
 
How can one:
1. reduce Swingweight and maintain the total mass of the racquet by 20-25 gr?
2. reduce SW and increase the total mass of the racquet by 25 gram?

Thank you in advance for your answers?
I doubt he knows how to reduce SW , the trick it to reduce SW and keep frame stable the clash missed the boat sorry
 
@Toby14 Is your TC100 a 16x19 pattern 63RA version? Aren’t you using a prince TT100p?

I have a couple of the Vantage tc100 63ra 16x19s and find the string spacing to be way too open to offer the kind of control I get from a prestige mp, Ultra Tour or Blade 18x20. The 16x20 modded pure storm gt and aero storm gt I have give me a lot more control too compared to my TC100.
Yes 16x19 on TC100, and I do struggle with control on my forehand, backhand seems to be ok. Lots of power in that stick.

Yes my regular frame is TT100P, and I like that racquet a lot, but just got the itch and wanted to try something else. I was lacking some stability (I tried to lead it up bud did not like it) and wanted to try the TC100. I am still trying to dial in and getting better all the time, perhaps outdoor on clay the TC100 could shine. I am not sure if I will make the swift yet as I still really like the TT100P.

The TC100 has the stability and power that I was lacking at the TT100P but at the expense of control - I guess this is always the tradeoff.

Clash Tour did not solve that problem for me. Power was there sometimes, control was there sometimes but neither on a consistant basis, it was just a strange mix up. However I will be up against a really hard hitter tomorrow and will give the Clash Tour another round, just to be sure.

Cheers, Toby
 
Interesting. All of the players I know who are 5.0 and better have no trouble playing with and adjusting to any racquet. Sure, they all have specific likes and preferences but they can pick up any racquet and play decently well with it after a little adjustment period.
Yes and no, I think this is a complicated question.

He can for sure play with the racquet and win over 4.5/5.0 players any day. But high level players have all the power the need, and are mostly looking for control frames. I also think that high level players are even more sensitive to racquets than more mortal rec players, to play really well they need their normal frame and string setup they can trust and really hit out, my friend has been playing with his Wilson 6.1 and lux Alu for the last 10 years. I also think that pro players are very sensitive to their setup and play with their racquet for a long time (with different paint job).

I however get confused when playing with different racquets, as I do now. I play much better when I commit to one frame and string setup, so I think my racquet quest is soon over, I seem to always return to TT100P (indoor) and POGOS 107 for outdoor on clay.

Cheers, Toby
 
I agree with you here. Same thing happened to me. Could not find the right depth. But over the hitting session, as I gained confidence, I just plain hit out more/harder and started to achieve consistency. As the racq stiffens up(?) or responds better in the harder hit shots I started to get a feel for it. Throw the racq at the ball and you start to get a feel for where the ball is going - rewards fast strokes, strong mechanics.

I tended to miss with the slower shots of drop shot and slice. Both are more a controlled slower stroke and it was a little hard to gauge the vague feel. I think I started to speed up all strokes...?

Btw "mixed reviews and I now I know why." disagrees with what you say later "very disappointed after reading all the good stuff about the frame here on TT" - I think reviews here inside TT are going to be v mixed too!
But if you hit hard and racquet stiffens, does it still remain arm friendly?
 
I agree with you here. Same thing happened to me. Could not find the right depth. But over the hitting session, as I gained confidence, I just plain hit out more/harder and started to achieve consistency. As the racq stiffens up(?) or responds better in the harder hit shots I started to get a feel for it. Throw the racq at the ball and you start to get a feel for where the ball is going - rewards fast strokes, strong mechanics.

I tended to miss with the slower shots of drop shot and slice. Both are more a controlled slower stroke and it was a little hard to gauge the vague feel. I think I started to speed up all strokes...?

Btw "mixed reviews and I now I know why." disagrees with what you say later "very disappointed after reading all the good stuff about the frame here on TT" - I think reviews here inside TT are going to be v mixed too!
Yes I should perhaps give the Clash Tour some more court time, I will play (just friendly rally practice) again tomorrow agains a hard hitter (but very consistant), and I will give the Clash Tour another round. From my first two hours I also felt the frame is better when hitting more out, but then it is a little stiff and the control is very inconsistent.

I can gennerally tell within the first 10 minutes if the new racquet and I will be friends - but the Clash is a very different frame, so perhaps more time is needed.

Yes I agree, I tend to only read all the good stuff about a frame, getting exited and wanting a new date :)

Cheers, Toby
 
But if you hit hard and racquet stiffens, does it still remain arm friendly?
Not so sure about that, the vibrations are kind of different from other racquets and seems more damped, does not seem to effect the arm. There are a lot of vibrations outside the sweet spot even strung with a multi, my TC100 and TT100P have less vibrations outside the sweet spot but they are not as damped.

Hope this makes sense, hard to describe - you really have to try it out for your self.

I think the frame is truly arm friendly, but at the expense of control, and power also seems inconsistent.
 
Not so sure about that, the vibrations are kind of different from other racquets and seems more damped, does not seem to effect the arm. There are a lot of vibrations outside the sweet spot even strung with a multi, my TC100 and TT100P have less vibrations outside the sweet spot but they are not as damped.

Hope this makes sense, hard to describe - you really have to try it out for your self.

I think the frame is truly arm friendly, but at the expense of control, and power also seems inconsistent.
Do you think it would be good racquet for 3.0-4.0 players?Im looking for racquet which has some power and isnt heavy but also very arm friendly, because my arm is very sensitive..
 
Do you think it would be good racquet for 3.0-4.0 players?Im looking for racquet which has some power and isnt heavy but also very arm friendly, because my arm is very sensitive..
My are is very sensitive too. You should defiantly try it out for yourself to see if you like the feel.

I am more into racquets with a more even respons, I think Prince have some great frames in the Phantom and Tour series, also Angell is very arm friendly.

I never use poly, and that also helps my arm.

Cheers, T
 
My are is very sensitive too. You should defiantly try it out for yourself to see if you like the feel.

I am more into racquets with a more even respons, I think Prince have some great frames in the Phantom and Tour series, also Angell is very arm friendly.

I never use poly, and that also helps my arm.

Cheers, T
I actually was thinking about Prince Phantom 100 pro, but im a little bit scaried that this frame will be too low powered for me. Of course i could string it with multi, maybe that will help with power, because for my cureent racquets i tried multi and it was too powerfull for me.
 
I actually was thinking about Prince Phantom 100 pro, but im a little bit scaried that this frame will be too low powered for me. Of course i could string it with multi, maybe that will help with power, because for my cureent racquets i tried multi and it was too powerfull for me.
Yes the Phantoms are low powered IMO but great and soft frames.

I currently play with Prince Textreme Tour 100P (2015 version) and that is a great frame for multi strings (18x20 pattern), very good mix of power and control. Armfriendly but a little more crisp than the Phantoms. This should be on your demo list.

Also I really like this ols school frame, and it is very arm friendly too:

https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_Classic_Graphite_107_Racquet/descpageRCTWABG-CG107.html
 
Perhaps a suggestion for people who dislike the high launch angle on the Clash, they should try locked stringbed to cut down on launch angle? Start with main tension < cross tension?
 
Yes I should perhaps give the Clash Tour some more court time, I will play (just friendly rally practice) again tomorrow agains a hard hitter (but very consistant), and I will give the Clash Tour another round. From my first two hours I also felt the frame is better when hitting more out, but then it is a little stiff and the control is very inconsistent.

I can gennerally tell within the first 10 minutes if the new racquet and I will be friends - but the Clash is a very different frame, so perhaps more time is needed.

Yes I agree, I tend to only read all the good stuff about a frame, getting exited and wanting a new date :)

Cheers, Toby
I have the feeling that there are more people finding Clash Tour less stable (incluront TW). Did you also try Clash 295g ? Maybe to try , also possible with lead?
 
I never use poly, and that also helps my arm.
@Toby14
I have a sensitive arm/elbow as well. Which multis do you like in TT100P and at what tension? sorry everyone - I don't mean to hijack the thread just a quick question...

Also for everyone's benefit...FYI, the jury is still out as i hit with it only once so far (for an hour) BUT I just tested signum pro x-perience 17g at 47lbs on my TT100 (310) and it was very comfortable while playing.. Sometimes it takes time the elbow issues to kick-in so I will continue to observe but fyi.... this string is very very good power/spin/control combo.. and it's very comfortable.. I am not a poly user at all in general but, unless there is a hidden elbow impact that i am not able to tell so far, it felt as comfy as a multi...

I have no idea how it would work in clash but works great with my Prince
 
Well, we are FINALLY supposed to have sunny weather around here the next couple of days and I will get to finally hit for the second time in a few months. I may have gone too high in tension with the Clash Tour using Grapplesnake string in a hybrid. (CES Neon Dust / Liquid Neon Dust ). I should have strung the mains at 52 lbs and the crosses at 52 lbs but read different instructions and went 55/57. I have another stick with X-Perience 17 at 55/53 lbs (tried at 46/44 once in this stick). I will test and go down in tension from here depending on how things feel. If the Clash Tour doesn't work out, then I'll seriously consider a flexy frame in the Prince lineup as they might be better suited for my game (might even try the denser string pattern if I do the switch since I've always been more of a hard hitter with less spin and lower launch angle -prefer good directional control vs spin). Hopefully, I can adjust to the Tour with the right string setup/tension. I only hit once and groundstrokes felt pretty effortless with easy power & easy on the arm. Volleys felt quite good. The main thing that felt really off for me was serving. I have a big serve and things were just not working (granted, it had been a couple of months since I hit serves). I'm going to leave the Tours at 11.7 oz and won't add any weight unless there is a need after more hitting.
 
@Toby14
I have a sensitive arm/elbow as well. Which multis do you like in TT100P and at what tension? sorry everyone - I don't mean to hijack the thread just a quick question...

Also for everyone's benefit...FYI, the jury is still out as i hit with it only once so far (for an hour) BUT I just tested signum pro x-perience 17g at 47lbs on my TT100 (310) and it was very comfortable while playing.. Sometimes it takes time the elbow issues to kick-in so I will continue to observe but fyi.... this string is very very good power/spin/control combo.. and it's very comfortable.. I am not a poly user at all in general but, unless there is a hidden elbow impact that i am not able to tell so far, it felt as comfy as a multi...

I have no idea how it would work in clash but works great with my Prince
My main setup is Natural gut / isospeed professional at 24kg / 25kg this is the most comfortable setup ever - I string cross string higher due to initial tension loss by isospeed.

A good multi and I tried a lot, is the inexpensive Multifeel from Technifibre tension @ 22kg.

I never found a good soft poly that my elbow could handle, the closest was Head Sonic Pro black 17. The Signum string sounds interesting, I would like to know how it is working out for you.
 
My main setup is Natural gut / isospeed professional at 24kg / 25kg this is the most comfortable setup ever - I string cross string higher due to initial tension loss by isospeed.

A good multi and I tried a lot, is the inexpensive Multifeel from Technifibre tension @ 22kg.

I never found a good soft poly that my elbow could handle, the closest was Head Sonic Pro black 17. The Signum string sounds interesting, I would like to know how it is working out for you.
Did you tried Vokl Cyclone 19?Its pretty soft poly.
 
Ok good sesh this morning - hitting and points play - the regular Clash plays very solid for its weight.

Getting far more on returns, more on groundies, and a whole lot more of them were just plain going in within those white lines.

Only knock was if you take your foot off the gas then you limp-er-Clash and just less of a shot... hmm no surprise there really.

Got volleys and serves working and added 5-10kmh to serve - very big juicy swetspot(!)
 
Wotcha gonna string it with? I tell ya, all those poly's you thought wld kill yr arm... go for it!
I use full poly already. Probably going with an orange/silver or orange/black poly hybrid to color coordinate the stringbed to the paint job. :)

Maybe cyclone 16 black with Volkl v star 16 orange crosses...

Edit: Looked at the frame this morning under better lighting and realized it’s red not orange so I’ll probably be going with Solinco Outlast/Prince Tour XR (Red/silver)
 
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I keep falling deeper and deeper in love with my Clash Tour. The more I play with it, the more unstoppable I feel on the courts, everything is starting to click. Serve, ground strokes, volleys are all falling into place nicely. I played today against another strong 4.0 player and he said he saw a huge difference in my shots. I considered making the move to the Clash 98 when it comes later this year, but I think I'm going to stick with my Tour at least until the end of the season. Hell, I might even pick up another Tour, I've got my eye on one $30 dollars below retail listed on the BAY.
 
bought 2 clash tour rackets last night. took them home and checked weight and balance. They weigh 2 grams different which is outstanding and the balance was within a 1/16 inch which is again outstanding. Either I got very lucky and got 2 that are almost identical or Wilson QC is better. I'll try to play this weekend with them.
that seems to be within their tolerance range,, and you got lucky, haaa
did you match them with lead??
anyway, congrats!..
 
bought 2 clash tour rackets last night. took them home and checked weight and balance. They weigh 2 grams different which is outstanding and the balance was within a 1/16 inch which is again outstanding. Either I got very lucky and got 2 that are almost identical or Wilson QC is better. I'll try to play this weekend with them.
Might want to grab a lottery ticket while you're at it lol...I was at my local shop a couple weeks ago and one of the employees told me it took them going through 18 clashes to find a matched pair for a customer the night before.
 
Both Clashes seem amazing.. the sweet spot is ever so sweet.. you can feel the ball pocketing so nicely... flex
I do wonder how it feels soft on most hits yet at times with shorter swings it play stiffer... its like a completely different racket. two in one almost.
 
As I have been around awhile and had the pleasure to try many many rackets over the years.. I just dawned on me what the Clash reminds me of....the Fischer Pro #1.. even the paint scheme is similar
Hmmm...interesting...I actually have 2 Fischer Pro #1s in my collection. Will need to pull it out to compare. The colors are very similar although the asymmetric graphics of the Fischer look similar to the head yt prestiges.
 
As I have been around awhile and had the pleasure to try many many rackets over the years.. I just dawned on me what the Clash reminds me of....the Fischer Pro #1.. even the paint scheme is similar
Very precise coment, I tested this fischer in the past and I miss them... Now I am really interested in going deeper on the Clash.
 
bought 2 clash tour rackets last night. took them home and checked weight and balance. They weigh 2 grams different which is outstanding and the balance was within a 1/16 inch which is again outstanding. Either I got very lucky and got 2 that are almost identical or Wilson QC is better. I'll try to play this weekend with them.
Same here. 2 grams difference for me as well. I just put 2g of tungsten putty in a cotton ball and inserted that into the handle of the lighter frame. I didn't ask for matching sticks either. So that is pretty good/low variance or we got lucky.

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Review II for the Clash Tour

I took the Clash Tour for another round today, I played with my regular hitting partner a strong 5.0 player who hits a heavy ball. I started the session playing with my TC100 v3 and after about 20 min I shifted to Clash Tour - That was perhaps not the smartest thing to do, as I am growing more and more fond of the TC100. The Clash Tour (about the same weight and balance as the Angell) was just hollow. Same experience as last time, I simply don't like this racquet at all, I actually dont see any good points compared to the Angell, I think the TC100 even plays softer. I put the Class Tour away after 15 minutes, no way I could stand up to my hitting partners heavy shots with that racquet.

Clash Tour is for sure not a racquet for me, nothing felt right, inconsistent power and launch angel, no touch or feel at all, no control for me.

BUT the a strange thing happened, after one hour my normal hitting partner had to leave for work, and a good friend came by, he is a 3.0 player at the best a 3.5, his normal stick is a Head Microgel Radical MP 18x20. We started playing and he would spay balls around, being inconsistent as some 3.0 player are, I was just running around repairing and playing straight back to him. Then I asked him to have a hit with the Clash Tour, and much to my surprise he instantly upped his game, more power more consistency in his shots, everything was suddenly better. He said that this racquet was very easy to play with - just the opposite of my opinion as I find it very difficult to hit with.

So with my own eyes I could suddenly see how good the Clash Tour can perform in the hands of the right player.

I have to take my words back from my earlier review, the Clash Tour is not garbage, Clash can be an excellent racquet for the right players, I can surely see this now.

Final conclusion: I hated almost everything about the Clash Tour, and my hitting partner (the 5.0 guy) also had no control over the racquet when he tried it for 10-15 minutes. But my 3.0 buddy had much more control and power at the same time with the Clash, more so than with his regular 18x20 racquet. This racquet acts strange, but in the hands of the right player it can perform really well.

Cheers, Toby
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Final conclusion: I hated almost everything about the Clash Tour, and my hitting partner (the 5.0 guy) also had no control over the racquet when he tried it for 10-15 minutes. But my 3.0 buddy had much more control and power at the same time with the Clash, more so than with his regular 18x20 racquet. This racquet acts strange, but in the hands of the right player it can perform really well.
So the right player for this frame is a 3.0? :)
 
Perhaps a suggestion for people who dislike the high launch angle on the Clash, they should try locked stringbed to cut down on launch angle? Start with main tension < cross tension?
@hurworld Yes I think you're definitely on the right track. My stiff poly trial (even at low tension) had great snap-back which still caused the very high launch angle. Playing with RPM Blast though at low tension, I ended getting no snap-back within an hour and launch angle was much reduced but at the cost of placement accuracy and lower spin generation.
 
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I have demoed both the Clash and Clash Tour and think it is also a great racket for higher NTRPs in the over 50 crowd. My husband and I both tried the rackets. We are over 50, former college players, former 5.0s, but currently 4.0s. We both liked them a lot. We both thought the Tour was a little too heavy. I have purchased the Clash and he's going to play with it and decide if he wants one too. Two senior friends have tried the racket. The 4.5 woman loved it and is seriously considering buying it. The other women is 4.0 and she liked it for volleys, but not groundstrokes.

I like the racket because I can only play with flexible rackets without hurting my arm. The market needs both flexible and stiff rackets for different types of players. If players get hurt with stiff rackets, they leave the game. So it is in Wilson's best interest to make a racket for that group of players to keep them as customers. I currently play with the Wilson Blade Team Lite BLX. It is 9 years old and has a similar weight and flex to the Clash. I love my Blade but it is really getting banged up. For the last few years, all the new rackets are 65+ RA. I tried the newer Blade 104 and it hurt! I probably would have liked the 2015 version.

More specific information about the racket performance - I thought it was amazing on volleys, probably because it is so head light. I served well with the Clash, but not the Tour. For groundstrokes, I liked the power and I liked how fast I could move the racket through the air. I have a one handed backhand that I usually slice, but I felt confident hitting topspin with this racket. The slices worked too. My eastern forehand is fairly flat and it took me a while to get my range on that side. The one thing I had trouble with was controlling drop shots. But that could be because of the strings in the demo. I have no idea what they were, but I play with gut so that could explain the control issues.

For comparison, the other racket I liked lately was the Yonex DR 98 from a couple of years ago. Loved that demo, but ultimately decided it was too heavy. My 4.5 friend who likes the Clash Tour plays with the Yonex DR 98.

Hope this is helpful!
 
bought 2 clash tour rackets last night. took them home and checked weight and balance. They weigh 2 grams different which is outstanding and the balance was within a 1/16 inch which is again outstanding. Either I got very lucky and got 2 that are almost identical or Wilson QC is better. I'll try to play this weekend with them.
I now have two Clash Tours (I am a string breaker) and they were within one gram of one another and identical balance points @ 31cm


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I find equal control and better power with the Clash Tour. My regular hitting partners are 6.0 women and a recently retired top 150 ATP dubs player. They hit a pretty good ball.


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Man, I first hit with a wood racquet with a 4 5/8 grip when I was 4-years-old. If you are really good, you can adjust to play with anything. You might not like it but you should be able to play with it. Move on if you don't like it. I find the racquet snobbery funny. Whatever works for you is all that counts. I mean, fugly strokes work for many people but I won't put them down for their style (or lack thereof).

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Man, I first hit with a wood racquet with a 4 5/8 grip when I was 4-years-old. If you are really good, you can adjust to play with anything. You might not like it but you should be able to play with it. Move on if you don't like it. I find the racquet snobbery funny. Whatever works for you is all that counts. I mean, fugly strokes work for many people but I won't put them down for their style (or lack thereof).

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We are probably close in age. I currently use 90si frames @364 grams and 31.5 cm balance with a 340 SW. The Clash Tour feels like cheating!


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We are probably close in age. I currently use 90si frames @364 grams and 31.5 cm balance with a 340 SW. The Clash Tour feels like cheating!


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That's what I thought about the Pure Drive! :) Just hit a little on a wall with strings at 55 and might go down to 52. I grew up doing a lot of extra practice on backboards and found I get tight because the ball comes back too fast between shots. Need to hit the courts tomorrow and try again.

Wow. Seems the paint chips easily on these! Had one stick leaned against the backboard and it fell. Nice little white chipped area is the result. :(
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