Official Wilson Clash thread

We are probably close in age. I currently use 90si frames @364 grams and 31.5 cm balance with a 340 SW. The Clash Tour feels like cheating!


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This is what I don’t understand. In what way does it feel like cheating? Especially compared to a PD. What magical qualities does it possess. I mean rackets with easy power abound. Rackets with easy power and easy spin are easy to find. Rackets with Clash level of control and easy power and spin are easy to find. Only thing Clash has on any of these rackets is comfort. But performance wise I can’t see how anyone couldn’t get the same degree of performance out of a PD/PA/Ultra/Extreme/EZONE etc.
 
Strung the Clash up with Solinco Outlast 1.25 mains and Prince Tour XR 1.25 crosses at 52/50

When I demo’d the Clash at the Revolution Tour event, it was too light for me at the stock weight so I added lead at the following locations:

1g at 12
1g at 10
1g at 2
1g btwn 4-5
1g btwn 7-8
Putty under the buttcap
Overgrip

Final static weight: 11.6 oz and 4 points HL

My usual static weight is around 11.7-12 oz

Will hit with it tomorrow.
 
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This is what I don’t understand. In what way does it feel like cheating? Especially compared to a PD. What magical qualities does it possess. I mean rackets with easy power abound. Rackets with easy power and easy spin are easy to find. Rackets with Clash level of control and easy power and spin are easy to find. Only thing Clash has on any of these rackets is comfort. But performance wise I can’t see how anyone couldn’t get the same degree of performance out of a PD/PA/Ultra/Extreme/EZONE etc.
I really can’t explain what I experienced because I didn’t like the “regular” Clash much at all. I think I compared it to the microgel radical oversize. A fine frame, but similar characteristics available at a much less expensive price!

For me at least, the clash tour was different. I found myself enjoying the combination of power, control, and comfort.

I’ve certainly not tried every similar frame, nor do I intend to. However the Pure Aero and Pure Drive I have hit, and the PA extensively. The pure drive never felt good to me. It had a very vague feeling. I absolutely loved HITTING with the PA but found when we started actually playing points, games, and sets it simply didn’t perform for me in the way I would want. I was much better off with my K90.

So much of this is personal. It’s a matter of “fit“ with one’s habitus, bio mechanics, and of course injury profile as one ages!
We were just sharing our observations of the clash Tour As always, the mileage of others may vary!


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for me about 15 hours hitting with the Clash tour, and enjoying the frame. I used to think stiffer is better, but the Clash has changed my views. Decent racket, almost completely adjusted. My Blade 98 seems harsh after playing with the Clash, very comfortable racket, and have not noticed any lost in control. Great racket, will be picking up couple more next month.
 
I really do wonder if The Clash and Clash Tour are different designs i.e. weight distribution is different) or if it's just purely the "absolute" weight? They felt very different to me.............
 
I really do wonder if The Clash and Clash Tour are different designs i.e. weight distribution is different) or if it's just purely the "absolute" weight? They felt very different to me.............
I have removed the replacement grip. There are some tags on the hairpin say date and layups code. They are absolutely different layups

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Strung the Clash up with Solinco Outlast 1.25 mains and Prince Tour XR 1.25 crosses at 52/50

When I demo’d the Clash at the Revolution Tour event, it was too light for me at the stock weight so I added lead at the following locations:

1g at 12
1g at 10
1g at 2
1g btwn 4-5
1g btwn 7-8
Putty under the buttcap
Overgrip

Final static weight: 11.6 oz and 4 points HL

My usual static weight is around 11.7-12 oz

Will hit with it tomorrow.
Tonight was the first hit with my modded Clash. At the Revolution demo event, I liked the sticks enough to get the regular Clash. I didn’t dislike the Clash Tour, but since it felt more sluggish, my concern was if I got one that was over specification, I would not be able to bring the weight down. I liked the regular Clash but at the stock weight, it was too light.

After hitting with it for an hour, I decided to remove 0.5g from 10 and 2. So here is my current setup now.

Strings: mains Solinco Outlast 16L @ 52# crosses Prince Tour XR 1.25 @ 50# strung on a Babolat Sensor
Static weight: 11.6oz
Weight mods:
1g at 12
0.5g at 10
0.5g at 2
1g btwn 4-5
1g btwn 7-8
Putty under the buttcap
Overgrip

My regular racquet is the Wilson Ultra Tour modded to 11.8oz. I love the spin, precision and control. It is one of the few sticks that just feels so right but it’s not perfect. I find myself looking for some additional put away power at times.

So how does the modded Clash play? It plays awesome! It’s so hard to describe the feel because it is so unique. It is super comfortable and stable. Control isn’t quite as precise as the 18/20 Ultra Tour, but I found it surprisingly good. On groundstrokes, the launch angle is higher, too but it is very easy to modulate and control. I found it incredibly forgiving. The sweet spot was huge. I was able to generate some sick angles with the spin the clash can generate. Topspin was penetrating and slices had some nasty movement.

Volleys took a few mins to adjust to but after that, I had no issues with controlling placement of my volleys. Touch volleys and half volleys were surprisingly easy with this stick.

At the demo event, I had trouble with my flat and slice serves. Kickers were easy. I was pretty sure that the light weight was the source of my timing issues on the flat and slice serves. With the racquet modded to my preferred specs, I had no trouble hitting my flat and slice serves.

All in all, I’m loving this stick! It’s so good that the thought of picking up a 2nd one already crossed my mind which hasn’t happened since I’ve been playing the Ultra Tour for almost 18 months. :)
 
(tldr: been serving real well with Speed 360 MP... but the Clash gives me more power alongside similar accuracy.)

Sweet mother o' mercy... the Clash really serves bombs!

What I'm thinking is the clean maneuverability of the frame, plus quickness through the air, I guess also it's plain pumped-up power and lightness, solidity, softer feel, seem to add up to a very good serving frame.

I tried the Clash Tour when it was in that disguise-paint pre-release and during the serving motion when the frame is overhead I found the weight lagged on me a bit, and then during groundies I was a little late to the ball and a little laggard lifting the ball up in many strokes. In 30mins I knew the Tour might not suit me.

So then went and just plain bought the regular std Clash (no demo, racquet-holic that I am) and was seriously thinking I could not top my serving with Speed 360 MP, nor previous Bab PD, however the Clash is giving me another 5-10kmh

Besides pwr am also getting more spin. Tennis is harder when the ball climbs higher than the shoulder. Second serve kickers I'm getting head-high (not bad on artificial grass) and/or breaking the ball away off the alley line.

I think the sweetspot is fairly small (for a 100sqi, but bigger than the Speed), and since the pwr doesn't come from woofers (Bab), stiffness (Babs), which is lack of recoil, and nor from whatever it is the Speed 360 has (smaller sweetspot but better quality), the Clash gives a big comfortable flex which rides the ball accurately. Maybe not pin-point, or at least not yet.

I do know that against all my regular opponents club/prac that I am getting more aces/unreturnables and compliments than previous.

It has raised my game a notch and players around me are a little... surprised.

(my setup is couple of lead grams round top of grip, and volkl cyclone @48)
 
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Control isn’t quite as precise as the 18/20 Ultra Tour, but I found it surprisingly good. On groundstrokes, the launch angle is higher, too but it is very easy to modulate and control. I found it incredibly forgiving. The sweet spot was huge
It's funny isn't it - the frame doesn't have that kind of accuracy but it delivers a rush of pwr that it seems to iron out problems. With the sort of kick and spin it delivers it seems hitting the spots is a bit of a different consideration. Instead of flirting with the lines we can bash it in and mop up what comes back, or take off to the net with reasonable confidence.
 
It's funny isn't it - the frame doesn't have that kind of accuracy but it delivers a rush of pwr that it seems to iron out problems. With the sort of kick and spin it delivers it seems hitting the spots is a bit of a different consideration. Instead of flirting with the lines we can bash it in and mop up what comes back, or take off to the net with reasonable confidence.
I don’t know if it’s funny ;), but I do know my modded Clash is for real cuz no stick I’ve tried since I started playing the Ultra Tour has swayed me to consider switching until now. (y)
 
Tonight was the first hit with my modded Clash. At the Revolution demo event, I liked the sticks enough to get the regular Clash. I didn’t dislike the Clash Tour, but since it felt more sluggish, my concern was if I got one that was over specification, I would not be able to bring the weight down. I liked the regular Clash but at the stock weight, it was too light.

After hitting with it for an hour, I decided to remove 0.5g from 10 and 2. So here is my current setup now.

Strings: mains Solinco Outlast 16L @ 52# crosses Prince Tour XR 1.25 @ 50# strung on a Babolat Sensor
Static weight: 11.6oz
Weight mods:
1g at 12
0.5g at 10
0.5g at 2
1g btwn 4-5
1g btwn 7-8
Putty under the buttcap
Overgrip

My regular racquet is the Wilson Ultra Tour modded to 11.8oz. I love the spin, precision and control. It is one of the few sticks that just feels so right but it’s not perfect. I find myself looking for some additional put away power at times.

So how does the modded Clash play? It plays awesome! It’s so hard to describe the feel because it is so unique. It is super comfortable and stable. Control isn’t quite as precise as the 18/20 Ultra Tour, but I found it surprisingly good. On groundstrokes, the launch angle is higher, too but it is very easy to modulate and control. I found it incredibly forgiving. The sweet spot was huge. I was able to generate some sick angles with the spin the clash can generate. Topspin was penetrating and slices had some nasty movement.

Volleys took a few mins to adjust to but after that, I had no issues with controlling placement of my volleys. Touch volleys and half volleys were surprisingly easy with this stick.

At the demo event, I had trouble with my flat and slice serves. Kickers were easy. I was pretty sure that the light weight was the source of my timing issues on the flat and slice serves. With the racquet modded to my preferred specs, I had no trouble hitting my flat and slice serves.

All in all, I’m loving this stick! It’s so good that the thought of picking up a 2nd one already crossed my mind which hasn’t happened since I’ve been playing the Ultra Tour for almost 18 months. :)
Interesting, I only demoed the Tour version I could be tempted to give the regular one a try. Could you elaborate on the difference.

Cheers, T
 
Interesting, I only demoed the Tour version I could be tempted to give the regular one a try. Could you elaborate on the difference.

Cheers, T
I didn’t have a chance to try the Clash Tour with my own strings and tension so I can’t give you a lot of details. I just know when I demo’d it at the Revolution Tour event, I just didn’t feel quite as connected with the Clash Tour. A few times I hit the ball wide or long and wasn’t completely expecting it but this could be more a result is dead demo strings. I really enjoyed the Clash at the demo but knew it would be even better with some extra weight in the hoop. My bh slices floated long at the demo event but again I knew it was because the racquet was too light and the racquet was coming through too early. Sure enough with my setup, the slices are staying low with plenty of sideways action now. Not sure this answers your question.
 
Mixed reactions with the Clash. Serve is coming but inconsistent. One thing I did notice, because of the unusual way the head flexes. This racquet is very susceptible to weather conditions. I played yesterday in 40 degree weather and I was having a great deal of trouble getting depth. Much more so than my Pure Strike. FWIW.
 
The Clash actually feels like it’s softer and exhibits more flex when the ball pace and heaviness increase. It feels stiffer when the ball speed is slower. I’m still liking it a lot. Fantastic control for such a soft comfortable stick. The sweet spot is larger than that of my Ultra Tour.

I honestly thought I would have more issues with the trajectory due to the open string pattern, but stringing it a few pounds higher than my usual tension seems to have helped lower the launch angle.
 
The Clash actually feels like it’s softer and exhibits more flex when the ball pace and heaviness increase. It feels stiffer when the ball speed is slower. I’m still liking it a lot. Fantastic control for such a soft comfortable stick. The sweet spot is larger than that of my Ultra Tour.

I honestly thought I would have more issues with the trajectory due to the open string pattern, but stringing it a few pounds higher than my usual tension seems to have helped lower the launch angle.
That is exaclty what I felt, with fast swings the ball falls shorter, while slowing down the swing the placement is always close to the baseline.
 
The Clash actually feels like it’s softer and exhibits more flex when the ball pace and heaviness increase. It feels stiffer when the ball speed is slower..
See this is what I'm trying to work out: is it that it stiffens up in the harder hit, or the opposite?

So what I noticed is that when I really cranked my serve I felt all this bendy strong whip, with the ball nicely pocketed and launched. So that is hitting the hardest swing and getting great certain power from the flex.

Then in drop shots or volleys where there isn't much of a swing I thought the racquet felt stiffer.

So this would be the opposite of the much touted d3o material used in past youtek a Radicals while ago (still described here https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/d3o/catpage-HEADD3OLC.html)
 
That is exaclty what I felt, with fast swings the ball falls shorter, while slowing down the swing the placement is always close to the baseline.
So you got flex on the faster swing and hence left the ball slightly shorter, then in the slower swing more stiffness equated to more drive and you got greater depth?
 
Opposite. The faster the swing, the softer the racket feels.
Right so am not imagining things, whew.

Ok so this is also therefore the opposite of what Head was doing with d3o a while back. The idea then was that stiffness was all and as you threw the racq harder at the ball that it would stiffen on impact. Well now we are going the other way, and there should be better arm health because of it!
 
Right so am not imagining things, whew.

Ok so this is also therefore the opposite of what Head was doing with d3o a while back. The idea then was that stiffness was all and as you threw the racq harder at the ball that it would stiffen on impact. Well now we are going the other way, and there should be better arm health because of it!
First time the flex happened, it was a bit surprising cuz I didn’t expect it. But it makes sense for the racquet to give more the harder you hit to reduce the impact and shock to your arm.
 
Mixed reactions with the Clash. Serve is coming but inconsistent. One thing I did notice, because of the unusual way the head flexes. This racquet is very susceptible to weather conditions. I played yesterday in 40 degree weather and I was having a great deal of trouble getting depth. Much more so than my Pure Strike. FWIW.
@pfrischmann I doubt it's the frame that's susceptible to weather but perhaps more likely the loss of elasticity in your strings with cooler temperatures which in combo with ultra flexible hoop of the Clash, results in loss of power (more than you experience with the Strike which has a stiffer hoop). Conclusion : With the Clash, string lower than normal (as recommended by Wilson) and at lower temperatures, string even lower.
 
First time the flex happened, it was a bit surprising cuz I didn’t expect it. But it makes sense for the racquet to give more the harder you hit to reduce the impact and shock to your arm.
I reckon this is how most frames operate anyway, and that we don't want them to stiffen on impact.

The Clash feels "old school" when it gives what I called that "big comfortable flex which rides the ball accurately".

I'm put in mind of Dunlop MW95, so not noodly.

I'm unsure whether to locate all this flex in the hoop or the throat, but inclined to think the latter.

The throat has an interesting construction where an inside triangular ridge suddenly gives way to just normal roundness near the top of the grip. At a guess that's where I'd say it flexes.
 
I reckon this is how most frames operate anyway, and that we don't want them to stiffen on impact.

The Clash feels "old school" when it gives what I called that "big comfortable flex which rides the ball accurately".

I'm put in mind of Dunlop MW95, so not noodly.

I'm unsure whether to locate all this flex in the hoop or the throat, but inclined to think the latter.

The throat has an interesting construction where an inside triangular ridge suddenly gives way to just normal roundness near the top of the grip. At a guess that's where I'd say it flexes.
I tend to agree with you that the racquet is flexing in the lower portion because the upper hoop is very stable. I tend to hit higher up on the string bed and the ball dies when I hit with old racquets from the 80s that have a very soft upper hoop. I have to make an effort to hit lower on the stringbed with the old sticks.
 
Had a short 35 minute indoor demo with the clash & clash tour.
I came in with an open mind & I have to say that both rackets hit a pretty decent ball.
Pretty good stability in stock form on both. I liked the regular clash more because it felt more maneuverable & is in my usual spec range.
I could feel the balls sinking somewhat into the string bed more so than with most other thick-beamed tweeners out there these days giving me more control & confidence on my shots - it gave me me the ability to hit those short sharp-angled rollers that I can hit with my old-school rackets.

Serves felt good with no noticeable dead spot in the upper hoop which I notice on some flexy frames. Like someone mentioned, the flex may be in the lower hoop or throat but is not like the flex felt in old-school rackets.
I think I could play with it in stock form but there is still room to customize the regular clash to your game.
I did not notice any huge trajectory on my shots. I was able to give it a good roll to get some extra topspin without extra effort but also a had no problems hitting flat balls. It was easy to do both.
This was a short hit but it feels like an interesting new offering.
 

Having played with the Clash a couple weeks now and added weight and tinkered with tension I’ve come to the conclusion that it is a very good racquet but isn’t going to bump any one up a full NTRP point.
If this racquet exists, please do tell! I’ve been trying to improve my game with lessons, drills and practice. It sounds so much quicker to spend money on a racquet and see instant improvement! ;)
 
Agree.. The Clash becomes quite firm on volleys, slow swings etc.
Its like it has a microprocessor that controls flex depending on situational awareness.. that is it... those little bars in the throat are swing sensors..
 
Agree.. The Clash becomes quite firm on volleys, slow swings etc.
Its like it has a microprocessor that controls flex depending on situational awareness.. that is it... those little bars in the throat are swing sensors..
Im curious how firm?If swing speed is slow what flex rating gonna be?60?65?70?
 
Im curious how firm?If swing speed is slow what flex rating gonna be?60?65?70?
Feels about as firm as my Ultra Tour on volleys. Maybe a touch more solid with a bit more flex but nothing like the 2012 Pure Drive (Black drive) levels of stiffness. This is a very, very comfortable frame.
 
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@pfrischmann I doubt it's the frame that's susceptible to weather but perhaps more likely the loss of elasticity in your strings with cooler temperatures which in combo with ultra flexible hoop of the Clash, results in loss of power (more than you experience with the Strike which has a stiffer hoop). Conclusion : With the Clash, string lower than normal (as recommended by Wilson) and at lower temperatures, string even lower.

I'm sure you are right. I live in Georgia and this time of year the weather swings a great deal. (from 35 at 9.a.m. to 65+ by 2:00 p.m.). I had my Pure Strike and Clash dialed in so they hit pretty similarly. Using the same string, I noticed on a 40 degree day, that the drop in power on the Clash was much more significant than on the pure strike.
 
I'm sure you are right. I live in Georgia and this time of year the weather swings a great deal. (from 35 at 9.a.m. to 65+ by 2:00 p.m.). I had my Pure Strike and Clash dialed in so they hit pretty similarly. Using the same string, I noticed on a 40 degree day, that the drop in power on the Clash was much more significant than on the pure strike.
Wow that's cool to know. (Btw in terms of testing this sounds like a proper experiment in that you have the control group - PS- and the variable Clash!) Reckon atmosphere/temp has got to have an effect on everything (but majorly on the player! haha)

So what do you think the cold is actually doing to the material. Making it flex more or less? More because you are leaving ball shorter?
 
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I'm sure you are right. I live in Georgia and this time of year the weather swings a great deal. (from 35 at 9.a.m. to 65+ by 2:00 p.m.). I had my Pure Strike and Clash dialed in so they hit pretty similarly. Using the same string, I noticed on a 40 degree day, that the drop in power on the Clash was much more significant than on the pure strike.
Which part?
 
Hit with one of my clash tours for a bit now. Played a doubles league match, practiced and drills so a mix of hitting.

Previous racket: volkl 10 295 customized to 12 oz, 4hl, 333-335SW
New racket: clash tour, overgrip, 2.5 total grams at 3 & 9 o'clock, no dampener, 8 HL, 338 grams total with lead and overgrip - SW is a total guess but probably around 328 give or take a bit. 16g multi mains 54lbs, 17g still smooth co-poly cross 50lbs
groundstrokes: very comfortable - I really like the feel for topspin and under-spin groundstrokes. Depth and power are easier to achieve than with my old racket. very solid feel but still can feel the flex. I have been playing 40 years and this racket plays a bit like the old rackets that had more flex but it still feels modern and powerful. I am not experiencing any launch angle issues that others talk about. In fact, I find control with this frame to be very good.
volleys: this racket volleys very well. I think the little extra weight I added helps with depth and blocking balls back. If I make clean contact, there's a lot of pep coming off the stringbed resulting in crisp volleys that slide and stay low. the 100" head helps a little vs my 98" inch head. Yea, I know 2" isn't much difference but I think it has a bit more pep and a bigger sweet spot.
Serves: I am serving better with this frame than my previous frame or with other rackets I demo-ed recently (yonex ezone 98 and ezone 100, volkl 10 vfeel 295). my clash T is 8 HL with a decent SW so I think I have better control of the racket head. Serves have just a bit more pop and placement is better too.
Spin: I am getting a little more spin on all my shots than with my previous volkl or the other demo rackets. Difference is slight but if you stroke pattern is good for spin generation, you'll get good spin out of this frame.
Feel: plush and comfortable

Overall: I think this is a very good racket. I personally prefer it much more than the stiffer 100" heads like bab ap, bab pd, volkl vfeel 9. I also like it better than the yonex ezone or vcore line. I am really not getting the launch angle criticism at all. I have hit with it a good 10-15 hours now and find ball control to be very good. for me, this is like a players thin beam racket with a bit more pop while maintaining control. but, give it a go and see for yourself. I think Wilson did a really good job on this and the soft flex alone is innovative enough to warrant a demo.
 
could be the customization and string setup. Also could be what you are used to. I think if you come from a low launch racket the launch angle of the clash can be quite obviously higher. If you come from a tweener, it may be much different.
I agree with that. And it is what makes discussion so difficult to understand, since everybody has his/her own reference points.
 
could be the customization and string setup. Also could be what you are used to. I think if you come from a low launch racket the launch angle of the clash can be quite obviously higher. If you come from a tweener, it may be much different.
my previous racket is volkl 10 295 with a fairly dense 16x19 pattern 98" head. I think the volkl had a launch angle that was consistent with the swing path. My personal experience is the clash tour doesn't send flyers long and find the launch angle to be consistent with my swing path with nothing unexpected. I am not getting a feeling of the ball launch higher than my swing warranted. I am not disputing your experience but my experience is different.
 
could be the customization and string setup. Also could be what you are used to. I think if you come from a low launch racket the launch angle of the clash can be quite obviously higher. If you come from a tweener, it may be much different.
I am accustomed to tight 18x20s like the Ultra Tour and prestige mp. String patterns don’t get much tighter than these and still get very good control from the Clash. I only lose a little bit of precision on groundstrokes.
 
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