Official Wilson Clash thread

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
While she's not likely to break gut, she's also not likely to appreciate it over anything else out there. So while I have the cash, I don't like throwing it away.
Appreciate or not appreciate is one thing, I think it’s best for non strong breakers cause of the comfort and tension maintenance.
 

k_h_d

New User
Maybe this has been covered but this is a long thread. I played a couple sets with the standard Clash. It was very nice. String was Wilson NXT at what I was told was 56lbs. I think I would like to add one of these to my back. I play with a couple Yonex Ezone 98 305g racquets strung with Natural gut mains and luxilon 4g crosses. I string it tight with the gut at 62 and 4G at 58, but the gut still gives a nice softer feel.

Is the Clash Tour the exact racquet as the standard Clash just weighted and balanced differently? I had no complaints with the standard lighter Clash. Wondering if I should get the lighter one and the use lead if I want more weight.
 

toby55555

Hall of Fame
Having decided a full bed of multi was too wild for me I strung in Champions Choice with gut mains @60lbs and poly crosses @45lbs. My reasoning was I find gut hard to control and poly always hurts my arm. Anyway I think the frame is now slightly more rounded unless I'm imaging it but it wouldn't surprise me given the mains/cross differential.
The good news is it plays much better now but i'm unclear if even this very flexible frame could suffer if I have indeed redesigned it as a T2000 :oops:
34.4cm 12 to 6 outer edges of frame, how long should it be?
9 to 3 is 28.1cm

IMG_0765 2 Wilson Clash Tour by tobyjug5, on Flickr
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Appreciate or not appreciate is one thing, I think it’s best for non strong breakers cause of the comfort and tension maintenance.
Not sure she needs added comfort on top of the Clash's already comfortable aspects. Tension maintenance is great but I can get that from things like Origin at half the price.
 

BretH

Semi-Pro
Had my first hit with a Clash 100 (non-tour) yesterday. It was a demo racquet at the club I play at, string with some poly mains and a syngut cross. I think :). Whatever setup it was the mains were crazy out of position every few rallies which is something I am not used to any more with my string setup. I normally hit with an unmodified Yonex ai98 with nat gut mains and soft poly crosses, or my Dunlop Biomimetic 200 lites, also unmodified with the same string setup. These both weigh in at over 12 oz with damper and overgrip. But having tried very light racquets before like the Volk Organix 10 295 I had to weight it up to feel competitive.

I am a low 4.0 player with ... evolving strokes. Used to hit quite flat both wings (yes, I am 60 now) with a slice or flat OHBH but I am hitting with much more spin and committed to getting a better and more solid topspin backhand.

I hit with the clash for about 45 minutes and here are my impressions - bear in mind it was after a doubles match so I wasn't fresh but not too pooped. I normally play with a Tennis Warehouse worm damper (best deal in tennis, IMO) to mute the feel but the demo racquet had no damper at all.

I'll cut to the chase and say I was very concerned I may have cost myself $250 or so by the demo. I really like my current racquets (I have been hitting with them exclusively for about 4 years now) but sometimes I really wish I had just a little more easy pop at my disposal. I have gotten to the point where I can hit some very powerful shots but they take a lot of concentration and effort. From the moment I picked up the clash I was playing with it like I had used it for years. My normal rally balls felt so...easy. It was light but in no way did it hit like a light racquet - at least at my level eating against a reasonably hard hitting 4.0 player but he did not have huge topspin. Everything just felt so natural and easy - it was truly a pleasure to hit with.

It was so easy on the arm - I had a bad case of TE about 5 years back with a Dunlop Biomimetic 500 tour with poly and have steered towards more arm-friendly racquets ever since. But last year, after I felt my arm was healed enough I gave an Aero Pro Drive a whirl, hoping it was the answer to easier power, but I concluded after about a month that, at least for the way I swing, it really wasn't the answer. It was light, but wow was it harsh. The clash did not feel like a soft racquet but I could tell it was, and afterwards while I was sore everywhere else my arm and elbow were both very happy.

Specifics:
Wow, did it feel light. Not in a bad way but in a way that made me feel I could do any sort of shot I wanted to try. Whipping a forehand I hit an impressive number of flat out winners where the spin pulled the ball into the court at just the right time - and the spin was very easy to apply. I could do this crosscourt, inside-in and inside-out. Defensive shots (admittedly against a lower powered hitter) were easy to either squash shot back or go for ridiculous angle with a more wrist shot...and a good number of these made it in.

Slices were absolutely not a problem - not in any way better than my current sticks but I could hit pretty much anything I wanted to again with no effort. Some were really nasty about not bouncing up after the bounce. So slices were not going to be a detriment.

Volleys I couldn't notice anything really different from my current racquets. I pretty much hit volleys I usually hit. Again, because of the real different feel of the racquet I took this for a good thing.

I did not have the chance to hit serves, but I don't have a big flat serve, relying more on placement and spin so my guess it I would find the clash right up my alley there.

I don't know what else to say. I am a cheapskate who never buys new racquets. And while I went through a period of trying many many different racquets I have really settled on my current ones - they suit me fine and I never have to worry about whether another one would be better. And they are all purchased of the bay or TT for sale. Now I find myself contemplating spending $500 on two new racquets...what has gotten into me?

One thing is for sure, I am going to demo the Clash again, and definitely try the Tour model. Hope this helps someone else.
 

Chezbeeno

Professional
Is the Clash Tour the exact racquet as the standard Clash just weighted and balanced differently? I had no complaints with the standard lighter Clash. Wondering if I should get the lighter one and the use lead if I want more weight.
I think they're the same, save for weight and balance. I hit with both, though, and the Tour didn't feel as flexible or forgiving as the standard. I think the more head-heavy balance of the standard makes the flexibility stand out a little more. That being said, adding weight to the Tour would maybe help the feel come out a little more. It's up to you, but if you like the standard I would say stick with that and add some lead, instead of risking the different feel of the Tour.
 

Mirdad

Rookie
I'm on about my 5th hit with my leaded up Clash Tour using NXT 17 g and the honeymoon is over with NXT. The first two hits with NXT I was able to get just about the same spin as with poly and the comfort was out of this world. However, after each session I hit with NXT the racquet became less spin friendly and started to lose control. Of course, the power on some shots was insane especially forehands out wide on the run but the playability for matches was not up to par. The strings broke after about 8 hours of hitting which is about what I expected from them.

Leading up the racquet in the hoop really makes this racquet shine....but not too much. Each 4" of lead tape is equal to 1 gram (2 grams counting both sides). I have 4" running from 10 to 11, 4" from 1 to 2, and only 2" from the upper part of 3 o'clock and 9 for a total of 6 grams of lead tape. I don't counterweight any in the handle as the racquet is still 8.5 h/l. Total static weight with dampener and Kimono ultra thin over grip is 336 gr. I've experimented adding only 2 more grams at 9 and 3 and the racquet becomes a rocket launcher. I'm more used to playing with 12 ounce+ racquets (RFA was my heaviest) but I've found my leaded up Clash Tour has decent stability at 11.8 ounces. I might retry to add some lead in the hoop but this time counterweight with some in the handle to see if it will add even more stability without adding too much power.

In the next few days, I will be using Tourna BHBR 17 in the crosses and a soft multi in the mains. I'd prefer to install the poly in the mains but I want the racquet to be as arm friendly as possible and secondly improve on the spin capability.
Has anyone had any experience doing a hybrid with this racquet?

Lastly, while I'm very pleased with the racquet, I usually don't find 100 sq" wands to my liking......with the exception of the Clash Tour. Before I purchase another Clash Tour 100 I'm going to try the 98 sq" frame as on paper that would be more in my wheel house.
 

BretH

Semi-Pro
Got spanked this morning - felt like I was old and slow (which I am) with my old racquet so what else to do - grabbed a clash 100 from the TW Used Racquets section for $209. We'll see how it goes :)
 

FV_Br

Rookie
I'm on about my 5th hit with my leaded up Clash Tour using NXT 17 g and the honeymoon is over with NXT. The first two hits with NXT I was able to get just about the same spin as with poly and the comfort was out of this world. However, after each session I hit with NXT the racquet became less spin friendly and started to lose control. Of course, the power on some shots was insane especially forehands out wide on the run but the playability for matches was not up to par. The strings broke after about 8 hours of hitting which is about what I expected from them.

Leading up the racquet in the hoop really makes this racquet shine....but not too much. Each 4" of lead tape is equal to 1 gram (2 grams counting both sides). I have 4" running from 10 to 11, 4" from 1 to 2, and only 2" from the upper part of 3 o'clock and 9 for a total of 6 grams of lead tape. I don't counterweight any in the handle as the racquet is still 8.5 h/l. Total static weight with dampener and Kimono ultra thin over grip is 336 gr. I've experimented adding only 2 more grams at 9 and 3 and the racquet becomes a rocket launcher. I'm more used to playing with 12 ounce+ racquets (RFA was my heaviest) but I've found my leaded up Clash Tour has decent stability at 11.8 ounces. I might retry to add some lead in the hoop but this time counterweight with some in the handle to see if it will add even more stability without adding too much power.

In the next few days, I will be using Tourna BHBR 17 in the crosses and a soft multi in the mains. I'd prefer to install the poly in the mains but I want the racquet to be as arm friendly as possible and secondly improve on the spin capability.
Has anyone had any experience doing a hybrid with this racquet?

Lastly, while I'm very pleased with the racquet, I usually don't find 100 sq" wands to my liking......with the exception of the Clash Tour. Before I purchase another Clash Tour 100 I'm going to try the 98 sq" frame as on paper that would be more in my wheel house.
Try Head Velocity, playability will last 3-4 times more than NXT.
 

Holdfast44ID

Semi-Pro
I am going to test out a leather grip with an overgrip. As I have not added lead anywhere, so it will feel a little more head light.

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toby55555

Hall of Fame
Really liking the Tour strung in Champions Choice. Compared to my PK Q5 I’m getting much more spin and power in all areas and sliced backhand always a good shot for me is up another level. Very manoeuvrable racket which has helped add mph to my serve.
Been using multi for 20yrs but found too lively in Tour, CC is giving me right balance and so far no arm problem which was my main worry with the poly crosses. I string my own rackets but still a pricey option but hoping gut lasts.
 

BretH

Semi-Pro
Really liking the Tour strung in Champions Choice. ..I string my own rackets but still a pricey option but hoping gut lasts.
I think you'll find you get good durability with this setup. I have experience with gut mains and poly crosses and the gut slides easily on the poly and takes a while to notch and still longer to break.
 

USPTARF97

Hall of Fame
Having decided a full bed of multi was too wild for me I strung in Champions Choice with gut mains @60lbs and poly crosses @45lbs. My reasoning was I find gut hard to control and poly always hurts my arm. Anyway I think the frame is now slightly more rounded unless I'm imaging it but it wouldn't surprise me given the mains/cross differential.
The good news is it plays much better now but i'm unclear if even this very flexible frame could suffer if I have indeed redesigned it as a T2000 :oops:
34.4cm 12 to 6 outer edges of frame, how long should it be?
9 to 3 is 28.1cm

IMG_0765 2 Wilson Clash Tour by tobyjug5, on Flickr
Try 55/52. Go up or down from there depending on playability for your game.
 

Holdfast44ID

Semi-Pro
I am going to test out a leather grip with an overgrip. As I have not added lead anywhere, so it will feel a little more head light.

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My unmodded Tour comes to exactly 12 oz. strung with a Fairway leather grip added (no overgrip yet). I like the feel and can really feel the bevels (probably was 25+ years ago when I used Fairway grips at times). However, the grip feels a little small. It is a 4 3/8 grip. I'm going to test out an overgrip on it.
 

ductrung3993

Hall of Fame
Had my first hit with the Clash today and gotta say I am quite...underwhelmed, esp. given the hype.

(Prev owner strung it with Razor Code (blue) @ 52lbs, not sure if this is a bad setup or not)

2 things that stand out the most: the trampoline/launch pad effect and the overly dampened feel. Both I'm not a fan of (yet).

For the trampoline effect, it could be more accurately described as the unusually high launch angle, as many have described here. And no, it DOES NOT give you more spin (esp coming from a 97LS) with this higher launch angle so you have a much HIGHER CHANCE OF HITTING OUT. So I had to be a lot more careful.
My shots typically have very low net clearance. This change is both good and bad. Good thing is, I don't net ball as often anymore. Bad thing is, my typically trouble low balls have now become sitter for net players.

For the dampened feel, I could not say that it is a bad thing. Depends on what you like. Kudos for Wilson in the sense that you're still connected to the ball despite this. Felt very weird for me though. Perhaps, a change of string to Cyclone Tour 18 will help? And a switch to leather grip as well?
Talking about leather grip, another incentive for me is that my stick seems to be unusually head heavy for a 10pts. Wilson QC.

Shorts sum up (compared to 97LS):
- Serve: way worse. I have a hard time generating racquet head speed. Leather grip for more HL might help (my 97LS had one). But then again, power is missing too.
- Forehand: improve. I can swing faster with the clash.
- BH: worse. My dipping BHs are more harmless now due to the trampoline effect.
- Slices: easier to hit
- Volley and serve: better due to the improve stability

Overall, my 2c is: get a demo if you can. This is a unique racquet and to me, does not fit the majority of players despite their marketing ploy. Has a lot of potential weaknesses - and that comes from a Wilson sucker.
 
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toby55555

Hall of Fame
Had my first hit with the Clash today and gotta say I am quite...underwhelmed, esp. given the hype.

(Prev owner strung it with Razor Code (blue) @ 52lbs, not sure if this is a bad setup or not)

2 things that stand out the most: the trampoline/launch pad effect and the overly dampened feel. Both I'm not a fan of (yet).

For the trampoline effect, it could be more accurately described as the unusually high launch angle, as many have described here. And no, it DOES NOT give you more spin (esp coming from a 97LS) with this higher launch angle so you have a much HIGHER CHANCE OF HITTING OUT. So I had to be a lot more careful.
My shots typically have very low net clearance. This change is both good and bad. Good thing is, I don't net ball as often anymore. Bad thing is, my typically trouble low balls have now become sitter for net players.

For the dampened feel, I could not say that it is a bad thing. Depends on what you like. Kudos for Wilson in the sense that you're still connected to the ball despite this. Felt very weird for me though. Perhaps, a change of string to Cyclone Tour 18 will help? And a switch to leather grip as well?
Talking about leather grip, another incentive for me is that my stick seems to be unusually head heavy for a 10pts. Wilson QC.

Shorts sum up (compared to 97LS):
- Serve: way worse. I have a hard time generating racquet head speed. Leather grip for more HL might help (my 97LS had one). But then again, power is missing too.
- Forehand: improve. I can swing faster with the clash.
- BH: worse. My dipping BHs are more harmless now due to the trampoline effect.
- Slices: easier to hit
- Volley and serve: better due to the improve stability

Overall, my 2c is: get a demo if you can. This is a unique racquet and to me, does not fit the majority of players despite their marketing ploy. Has a lot of potential weaknesses - and that comes from a Wilson sucker.
I would imagine the 97LS is a much more control orientated racket for more advanced players. Personally I was looking for more power than my PK Q5 without loss of comfort and the Clash Tour works although my normal full multi was indeed too lively. Negatives: mishits are more jarring on my arm than with the PK and framed a few low shots which I don't normally do.
 

toby55555

Hall of Fame
Really liking Champions Choice but have ordered a half set of VS Touch and a set of Volkl Cyclone Tour red 17 for my next restring in the hope it will play as well for less money.
 

PhxRacket

Professional
So I am looking seriously at the PP Pro 18x20and the Clash (standard or tour). I am at the end of recovering from TE and I must use a flexier, 100 sq. in frame. I have demoed both and they are polar opposites. Does the Clash standard take lead tape well? I would like to get it to 11.6 oz, 320ish SW, 7 pts HL. I have given up ever being successful with a 95 or 93. Played very poorly today and he number of framed swings was demoralizing. Granted, I have been riding the pine since February so timing and footwork were embarrassing.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
So I am looking seriously at the PP Pro 18x20and the Clash (standard or tour). I am at the end of recovering from TE and I must use a flexier, 100 sq. in frame. I have demoed both and they are polar opposites. Does the Clash standard take lead tape well? I would like to get it to 11.6 oz, 320ish SW, 7 pts HL. I have given up ever being successful with a 95 or 93. Played very poorly today and he number of framed swings was demoralizing. Granted, I have been riding the pine since February so timing and footwork were embarrassing.
Lead works great on the std Clash
 

JOSHL

Hall of Fame
So I am looking seriously at the PP Pro 18x20and the Clash (standard or tour). I am at the end of recovering from TE and I must use a flexier, 100 sq. in frame. I have demoed both and they are polar opposites. Does the Clash standard take lead tape well? I would like to get it to 11.6 oz, 320ish SW, 7 pts HL. I have given up ever being successful with a 95 or 93. Played very poorly today and he number of framed swings was demoralizing. Granted, I have been riding the pine since February so timing and footwork were embarrassing.
Not only does the clash take lead well but for me it needs lead. I couldn’t play with it in stock form.
 

TypeRx

Semi-Pro
I've added ~12g of lead (at 345g strung with overgrip and dampener) on my 2 Clash Tours and it has improved stability and plow through.
 

jacob22

Professional
So I tried the Clash non-tour in March, really liked the consistent topspin groundstrokes but couldn't gel with it on serves(particular flat ones). I've now been using the Clash Tour for the past month. My game has never been better. Just won a couple of matches 6-2, 6-1 and 6-1,6-1 with the Clash Tour. My lefty slice serve to the ad has never had some much action on it. I'm getting service winners 70-80% of the time. I'm now able to more consistently get my down the T deuce serve as well. My topspin groundstrokes now have plenty of net clearance to limit my unforced errors. Still somewhat hard to flatten the ball out for a clean winner. I'm getting more serve returns in play as well.
 

TypeRx

Semi-Pro
ing 60x45. Be interesting to see if it goes back to the original shape when I eventually cut out the string (Champions Choice, Gut M, All Rough X)
I have both of my Clash Tours strung at 75 lbs Kev / 45 lbs ZX Pro. When one broke and I cut out the strings, it was apparent there was a small, but noticeable "squash" in the strung racket. So, yes, the differential tension does slightly change the hoop shape. And yes, it returns to "normal" when the strings are removed. At least that is my experience.
 

toby55555

Hall of Fame
I have both of my Clash Tours strung at 75 lbs Kev / 45 lbs ZX Pro. When one broke and I cut out the strings, it was apparent there was a small, but noticeable "squash" in the strung racket. So, yes, the differential tension does slightly change the hoop shape. And yes, it returns to "normal" when the strings are removed. At least that is my experience.
Interesting thanks, nonetheless I think I’ll limit the differential to 7lbs in my second frame 57/50 and see how that feels.
 

TypeRx

Semi-Pro
FYI - the Clash will have some different color customizing options later this summer, per Wilson (on FB). Looks like it may only be for the Clash 100, not the Tour or 98 variants.


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Holdfast44ID

Semi-Pro
FYI - the Clash will have some different color customizing options later this summer, per Wilson (on FB). Looks like it may only be for the Clash 100, not the Tour or 98 variants.


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Can we mail our used Tour sticks in for a refresh paint job? Haha

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Dartagnan64

Legend
2 things that stand out the most: the trampoline/launch pad effect and the overly dampened feel. Both I'm not a fan of (yet).
My same issues with the racquet. I get more feel out of my Phantom 100 and I thought that was about as muted as a racquet could get.

My wife is currently using the Clash and I'm thinking of sending her back to the Blade 104. I think she has more control with the Blade.
 
I finally got a chance to hit with a Clash - the heavier (Tour) one. It was really good; I could use one. But, it wasn't a transcendent experience, so I'm not sure I'd switch from my Pure Drives since I'd have to pony up $500 for two frames. But, anyway, I did like it - the pocketing, the spin potential. The flex indeed felt unique in this day and age, but I didn't particularly like it or dislike it. I just wish it was slightly more head heavy - like 7 or 6 pts headlight instead of 9. Would like some more weight in the head for returns, backhands, serves - but I could make it work in stock form. If the heavier Clash was that easy swinging, I imagine the lighter one would be too light for me. Cool frame.
 
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grhcan99

Semi-Pro
I finally got a chance to hit with a Clash - the heavier (Tour) one. It was really good; I could use one. But, it wasn't a transcendent experience, so I'm not sure I'd switch from my Pure Drives since I'd have to pony up $500 for two frames. But, anyway, I did like it - the pocketing, the spin potential. The flex indeed felt unique in this day and age, but I didn't like it or dislike it. I just wish it was slightly more head heavy - like 7 or 6 pts headlight instead of 9. Would like some more weight in the head for returns, backhands, serves - but I could make it work in stock form. If the heavier Clash was that easy swinging, I imagine the lighter one would be too light for me. Cool frame.
Couple of grams (2-3) of lead at 12 should probably do the trick.
 
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Dartagnan64

Legend
hey guys would anyone know how would a clash compare to Prince phantom 100 pro ?
Equally comfy. Radically different performance wise. The Clash still has that wide beam power frame type hitting response. Higher launch with underdeveloped feel. Easy depth.
The Phantoms as a group are low powered and have really good feel and touch in the traditional grommet versions. They also have a more classic feel of a narrow beam heftier frame but still easy to use. But depth comes from the player, not the frame.

I'd say the Clash has advantages in power esp with serves and spin, the Phantom Pro 100 with control and feel. But I use the 18x20 version of the Phantom Pro so the 16x18 will be a bit closer to the Clash in performance.
 

Holdfast44ID

Semi-Pro
Equally comfy. Radically different performance wise. The Clash still has that wide beam power frame type hitting response. Higher launch with underdeveloped feel. Easy depth.
The Phantoms as a group are low powered and have really good feel and touch in the traditional grommet versions. They also have a more classic feel of a narrow beam heftier frame but still easy to use. But depth comes from the player, not the frame.

I'd say the Clash has advantages in power esp with serves and spin, the Phantom Pro 100 with control and feel. But I use the 18x20 version of the Phantom Pro so the 16x18 will be a bit closer to the Clash in performance.
Sounds like the Phantom would better suit my game as I used the ProStaff sticks since the PS 85. Still adjusting to strings and tensions with the Clash Tour.

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JOSHL

Hall of Fame
FYI - the Clash will have some different color customizing options later this summer, per Wilson (on FB). Looks like it may only be for the Clash 100, not the Tour or 98 variants.


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Can you post a link to this comment?
 

JOSHL

Hall of Fame
Thanks @TypeRx! I’ve bought 3 custom Pro Staffs but now I am seriously digging the clash 100 so I’ll wait to get another one until they offer the custom paint!
 

A_Instead

Hall of Fame
Joshl..go are you getting a shot with weight with the Clash....?
I has to swing my guts out to get it past the service line and my opponants typically would t off on my balls..
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Joshl..go are you getting a shot with weight with the Clash....?
I has to swing my guts out to get it past the service line and my opponants typically would t off on my balls..
With fresh poly strings, no one is teeing off on my shots with the Clash. The spin is pretty nasty. Strings just stop snapping back after less than 3 hours though and the spin isn’t as nasty anymore. The balls are landing well past the service line as well.
 
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A_Instead

Hall of Fame
Yes..spin was world class.
I did get depth but ball did not have decent weight behind it.
I guess I did not go low enough in tension..
 

JOSHL

Hall of Fame
Joshl..go are you getting a shot with weight with the Clash....?
I has to swing my guts out to get it past the service line and my opponants typically would t off on my balls..
Yea I have 4g total 2 at 3&9. Also 5g at the butt(my built up butt cap).
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
not hatting the clash at all mind you
but im kinda expencting to see people break more strings using the clash,, it is a pretty open string pattern racquet, altought the flex wont allow it to be a string-eater!, either,,
@A_Instead @mad dog1 ,,, that's one thing that's going to suffer with the clash as is,, "the heavy ball",, since its a pretty light racquet, sub 12oz to near 12 oz frame!!,
youll need to get the heavy ball feeling by putting lots of spin on the ball..
but also leading up the racquet to your specs, will make the clash produce heavy balls, imo

if your a 4.0+ player with a 1hbh,, you need to try the 98clash!!
the 100clash is fun, but the 98clash fits my 1hbh better!!
 

A_Instead

Hall of Fame
That's what I thought..you added weight..in stock form it's hard to get a ball that goes through the court with decency..
 
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