Official Wilson Clash thread

[pete101]

Not yet that I can share

Is wilson admitting they made a mistake with the clash v2 and backtracking with the V3 and doubling down as most brands do?

The v2's are so heavily discounted in europe it is crazy it not have sold well.

Likewise given the blade went from green to emerald green we are likely to get a similar iteration of red for the colour?

Or will they be bold and go for the pro staff left field dark bronze thing which disappointed most

 

[pete101]

I play with the clash 100 V2 but keep hearing better things about the V1.. I realized when I demoed that I actually demoed my friend's v1 not the v2 which is a shame bc it felt great & apparently is less stiff than the v1..

Launch angle on the v2 is so high dont know why

 

[Crocodile]

Is wilson admitting they made a mistake with the clash v2 and backtracking with the V3 and doubling down as most brands do?

The v2's are so heavily discounted in europe it is crazy it not have sold well.

Likewise given the blade went from green to emerald green we are likely to get a similar iteration of red for the colour?

Or will they be bold and go for the pro staff left field dark bronze thing which disappointed most

Good questions, as soon as I can say things I will but not yet:

 

[zuzu70]

Is there anything you would like to see happen with the V3 Clash and are you more partial to the softer V1 racquets or the more focused V2 Line.

I prefer the softer V1 racquet. In the V1, I have a racquet and string combination that doesn't hurt my elbow or wrist. As a 50-something with a sensitive arm, if I don't have access to a Clash V1 or similar, I won't be playing at all.

A more modest and tasteful paint job would be nice, rather than the gaudy orange V1 paint job.

Environmental responsibility is appreciated -- for starters, the bag-like outer-wrap plastic packaging could easily be eliminated, or else replaced with paper. The square black placard could be reduced in size to use 2 elastics rather than four -- or eliminated altogether for racquets strung at or before purchase.

I don't like the embossed "Clash" logo like on the V2, as feeling the embossing during play can be a distraction.

 

[pete101]

Essentially the new clash is gona be red i imagine like how the v8 to v9 changed green

Unless they do a 180 like the pro staff from black to bronze

 

[pete101]

I prefer the softer V1 racquet. In the V1, I have a racquet and string combination that doesn't hurt my elbow or wrist. As a 50-something with a sensitive arm, if I don't have access to a Clash V1 or similar, I won't be playing at all.

A more modest and tasteful paint job would be nice, rather than the gaudy orange V1 paint job.

Environmental responsibility is appreciated -- for starters, the bag-like outer-wrap plastic packaging could easily be eliminated, or else replaced with paper. The square black placard could be reduced in size to use 2 elastics rather than four -- or eliminated altogether for racquets strung at or before purchase.

I don't like the embossed "Clash" logo like on the V2, as feeling the embossing during play can be a distraction.

This environmental stuff is nonsense i just dont want my racket getting scratched in transit. A little bit of extra plastic here and there isnt going to save or kill the earth.

Virtue signalling nonsense

 

[pete101]

Hi everyone- it seems that the V3 Clash must be just around the corner. The V2 should be on run out deals soon:
Is there anything you would like to see happen with the V3 Clash and are you more partial to the softer V1 racquets or the more focused V2 Line.
I would like to hit with a Clash in a Pro Staff 97 315g spec or even an RF:

I"d like a v1 clash pro 100 softness and low launch angle in the v3 like the v2 pro

I own every rendition of the v2 bar the UL.

The v2 100L and 100 launch angle is ridiculous cannot keep the ball in however i love the v2 100 pro launch angle maybe cos the extra cross of 16 x 20 helps.

Also can they release a dark blue colourway like the shift 99 RG this year.

The main thing i want is the clash to be 55RA like the v1 but with 16 x20 or 18x20 string pattern with low launch.

The biggest thing i want though is the beam to be thinner in the 100 pro like the 98's.

I have to use a blade 100 for performance now but would prefer with clash comfort

 

[zuzu70]

This environmental stuff is nonsense i just dont want my racket getting scratched in transit. A little bit of extra plastic here and there isnt going to save or kill the earth.

Virtue signalling nonsense

Your one plastic bag isn't much. But the 3.4 million plastic bags -- covering the 3.4 million racquets sold each year -- is more than a "little bit." Crocodile asked what everyone wanted, I chimed in my two-cents' worth. You can have an opinion that's different than mine, without calling me nonsensical or claiming I'm "virtue signaling."

I get that it's nice to have a pristine new paintjob, though honestly racquets used on hardcourt will get scratched during the first play session anyway. I wonder whether a paper covering would prevent scratching. That might be a good middle ground.

 

[pete101]

Your one plastic bag isn't much. But the 3.4 million plastic bags -- covering the 3.4 million racquets sold each year -- is more than a "little bit." Crocodile asked what everyone wanted, I chimed in my two-cents' worth. You can have an opinion that's different than mine, without calling me nonsensical or claiming I'm "virtue signaling."

I get that it's nice to have a pristine new paintjob, though honestly racquets used on hardcourt will get scratched during the first play session anyway. I wonder whether a paper covering would prevent scratching. That might be a good middle ground.

I reuse my bubble wrap and plastic why don't you?

 

[teachingprotx]

Aw yeah reusing that sweet plastic is a must plus it looks cool

 

[omglawlz]

Here are the photos now after many many hours of use and some wear and tear, they look pretty decent still, like I mentioned a few more layers of clear coat would've done wonders to protect it.

Hey @legcramp what black paint did you use to blackout the rackets before the clearcoats?

 

[Rosstour]

I prefer the softer V1 racquet. In the V1, I have a racquet and string combination that doesn't hurt my elbow or wrist. As a 50-something with a sensitive arm, if I don't have access to a Clash V1 or similar, I won't be playing at all.

A more modest and tasteful paint job would be nice, rather than the gaudy orange V1 paint job.

Environmental responsibility is appreciated -- for starters, the bag-like outer-wrap plastic packaging could easily be eliminated, or else replaced with paper. The square black placard could be reduced in size to use 2 elastics rather than four -- or eliminated altogether for racquets strung at or before purchase.

I don't like the embossed "Clash" logo like on the V2, as feeling the embossing during play can be a distraction.

Can see the embossing actually helping--that way you don't need to look down at the racquet to see which way you're holding it

 

[legcramp]

Hey @legcramp what black paint did you use to blackout the rackets before the clearcoats?

I used Rust Oleum black primer general purpose.

No updates pics because they went to their new owners hehe.

 

[Domkeykong]

i really loved the 100 v1 pro .. unfortunately i cant get any new with my small grip size L1 in Europe .. (L2 and L3 are still available)
now i play with the 100 v2 pro and was struggling at the beginning .. smaller sweetspot etc ..
but found out that without a dampener it plays better for me and the sweetspot gets bigger .. im playing with alupower at 21,5 kg .. still im missing the v1pro hopefully the v3 will be similar to the v1

 

[pete101]

i really loved the 100 v1 pro .. unfortunately i cant get any new with my small grip size L1 in Europe .. (L2 and L3 are still available)
now i play with the 100 v2 pro and was struggling at the beginning .. smaller sweetspot etc ..
but found out that without a dampener it plays better for me and the sweetspot gets bigger .. im playing with alupower at 21,5 kg .. still im missing the v1pro hopefully the v3 will be similar to the v1

Why does the sweet spot feel smaller?

I feel it is the same but also better in ways as the extra cross is better for me as a flat hitter

Still prefer the v1 100 pro for comfort though

 

[Rosstour]

Why does the sweet spot feel smaller?

I feel it is the same but also better in ways as the extra cross is better for me as a flat hitter

Still prefer the v1 100 pro for comfort though

Seconded on the 100

The 98 is great but 100 is even more comfy

 

[Domkeykong]

Why does the sweet spot feel smaller?

I feel it is the same but also better in ways as the extra cross is better for me as a flat hitter

Still prefer the v1 100 pro for comfort though

actually i dont know ... first time i played with my pro 100 v2 i didnt feel the trampoline effect wich i had with the old version .. so i lowered the tension by 0.5 kg and play now without a dampener .. now it feels much better .. but i still think that i had with the old version more easy power

 

[pete101]

actually i dont know ... first time i played with my pro 100 v2 i didnt feel the trampoline effect wich i had with the old version .. so i lowered the tension by 0.5 kg and play now without a dampener .. now it feels much better .. but i still think that i had with the old version more easy power

Tbh they are completely different rackets

Like comparing apples to pears

100 pro v1 55 RA 16x19

100 pro v2 59RA 16x20

 

[pete101]

The reviews I've seen say the V2 Pro 100 has quite a low launch angle and is better for flatter shots. All of the advanced players using the 100 had leaded their rackets, which is why I went with the more stable Pro version.

I second this 100% the launch angle is lower in the v2 100 pro

I have the 100 and 100L nothing i do makes it lower the launch on them except using a western grip lol

 

[mmazzinin1]

Does anyone know the dynamic stiffness of the v1 and the v2? For racquets that flex in multiple points, the ra is completely irrelevant

 

[tele]

Does anyone know the dynamic stiffness of the v1 and the v2? For racquets that flex in multiple points, the ra is completely irrelevant

for what racquet has said variable ever been measured? i have only heard it used to refer to stringbeds.

 

[mmazzinin1]

Racquetpedia and USRSA measure DRA on every racquet they test, but you need to have a membership. RA measure flex in only one point. Useless for modern racquets. And for Clash and Shift even more than for other racquets.

 

[tele]

Interesting. How is dynamic RA measured?

 

[tele]

According to racketpedia, the dynamic stiffness is "defined by the frame's vibration frequency." Tennis Warehouse University also has vibration frequency values available for each racquet.

 

[mmazzinin1]

Not the same thing. Just as an example- Pro Kennex Black Ace Pro RA is 62.3 while static RA is 55 based on Racketpedia tests (this test was made public (https://www.racketpedia.com/blog/test-pro-kennex-black-ace-pro-97/3/). PK 7G: RA is 66. DRA is instead 70.4 according to USRSA....

 

[tele]

Not the same thing. Just as an example- Pro Kennex Black Ace Pro RA is 62.3 while static RA is 55 based on Racketpedia tests (this test was made public (https://www.racketpedia.com/blog/test-pro-kennex-black-ace-pro-97/3/). PK 7G: RA is 66. DRA is instead 70.4 according to USRSA....

What is not the same thing? I was talking about vibration frequency, not static RA, but your examples don't include vibration frequencies.

On the 4 or 5 racquets I looked at, vibration frequencies listed by Racketpedia and and the DRA values are very closely associated, with vibration frequency equaling about 2.2-2.3 times the DRA value in each case, so if you want to estimate DRA, it seems like dividing frequency by 2.25 should give you a pretty good idea based on the samples I have seen so far.

 

[mmazzinin1]

How/where did you get the DRA for 4 / 5 racquets?

 

[tele]

How/where did you get the DRA for 4 / 5 racquets?

google. there are two on their site, and several on their blog.

 

[tele]

How/where did you get the DRA for 4 / 5 racquets?

Could you tell me where you got the USRSA DRA value for the Pro Kennex racquet you mentioned? I was hoping to get a clearer definition of "DRA" from them but couldn't find it.

 

[mmazzinin1]

Eiffel59, the guru of my Italian Forum "Passione Tennis" provides the info if asked. For example DRA for PK 7G is 68.4

 

[mmazzinin1]

For the PK Ki15 300, DRA is 70.4 (USRSA). Pro Tour 630 has instead 55.4 RDA

 

[tele]

Eiffel59, the guru of my Italian Forum "Passione Tennis" provides the info if asked. For example DRA for PK 7G is 68.4

Thanks for the info. Do you know precisely what "DRA" is or where I can find a definition of it and how it is measured? It seems like it could be just another way to represent vibration frequency based on the small sample of racquets I looked at from Racketpedia, but I'd be curious to know if it is actually measured separately and if the two variables just happen to line up.

 

[mmazzinin1]

Frankly, I don't know. Let me ask and will get back to you.

 

[mmazzinin1]

I got the answer- RDA is correlated to the vibration frequency and the duration of the vibrations. It is measured with specific static machineries like Chromatic string tuner, and also through sensors that are applied directly on the frame.

This is the parameter that matters to determine how a frame can be potentially dangerous if not matched with the proper strings...

 

[tele]

I got the answer- RDA is correlated to the vibration frequency and the duration of the vibrations. It is measured with specific static machineries like Chromatic string tuner, and also through sensors that are applied directly on the frame.

This is the parameter that matters to determine how a frame can be potentially dangerous if not matched with the proper strings...

Thanks for the information, although I am still a little unsure about where it comes from.

Either way, based on the racquets I looked at on Racketpedia, because the proportion between frequency and DRA is so consistent without factoring in vibration duration, it seems like either vibration duration contributes only a very small amount to DRA, or vibration duration is remarkably consistent among racquets. Either way, it seems like you can get a good idea of DRA based on vibration frequency alone. Vibration frequency data is available from Tennis Warehouse University's "Racquet Comparison" tool.

 

[mmazzinin1]

Interesting, as vibration duration is quite key to determine potential damage to the elbow...let's keep digging

 

[tele]

Interesting, as vibration duration is quite key to determine potential damage to the elbow...let's keep digging

I do not know if that is true, but it seems plausible. If that is the case, perhaps DRA is not such a reliable variable in terms of arm health, of course unless vibration duration is relatively constant between frames. I do not know but am interested in the topic, not least because I have suffered an elbow injury in the past.

I am still not totally convinced that DRA is not just an invention of Racketpedia, but I would certainly change my mind if I saw proof to the contrary.

 

[mmazzinin1]

Definitely not just Racketpedia...

 

[tele]

Definitely not just Racketpedia...

provide a link to another source and I will believe you

 

[mmazzinin1]

Even Racketpedia does not provide the data....as said, USRSA has the data for all the racquets they test, but you have to buy the membership....

 

[tele]

Even Racketpedia does not provide the data....as said, USRSA has the data for all the racquets they test, but you have to buy the membership....

Racketpedia clearly lists DRA on their site. I have not yet seen anything to indicate USRSA measures DRA.

 

[mmazzinin1]

Here some data provided by Eiffel on demand (he has access to the database):

-Ki 15 300 2018 RA67-DRA 69.1 (USRSA)-68.7 (E59)
-Ki 15 300 2020 RA69-DRA 72.5 (USRSA)-72.7 (E59)
-Ki 15 300 2022 RA68(TW)/73(RP)/70(E59)-DRA 70.4(USRSA)-79(RP)-72.1 (E59)
-Ki 7G RA66-DRA 68.4 (USRSA)

As you can see, usrsa provides the info...and Eiffel has the instruments to measure it himself....and data can be quite different depending on the source....

 

[tele]

Thank you again for the info, but I am still not sure because a search turns up nothing. I am not saying it is not an official variable used, I just would like to see it myself on a USRSA-related source.

If Eiffel59 knows what the formula for calculating DRA is, would he be willing to provide it?

 

[tele]

...

 

[mmazzinin1]

There is no formula, but specific machineries used for the purpose. Try to purchase the USRSA membership - they claim to have data for more than 400 racquets. I cannot believe that none in this Forum has the membership/subscription...

 

[tele]

There is no formula, but specific machineries used for the purpose. Try to purchase the USRSA membership - they claim to have data for more than 400 racquets. I cannot believe that none in this Forum has the membership/subscription...

There has to be some sort of formula the machines are using to calculate the value, right?

It looks like the pro t one machine you mentioned indeed has a dynamic frame stiffness variable, so perhaps that is what racketpedia uses. I cannot find any other machines with a similar measure. either way, i think we have derailed this clash thread, so I will start another to see if we can get more info.