Oh, Lordie. Another drop shot.

Cindysphinx

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I'm having the weirdest problem in mixed doubles: players who play drop shots to my side of the court when I'm at the baseline.

I almost always reach these balls. The problem is that I rarely hit a good shot when I get there, especially if the person who hit the drop shot was smart enough to follow it in. If I get the ball back over the net, the opponent has an easy put-away to wherever my poor partner is not standing.

I do not have a FH or BH slice that is worth a darn. I know a lob would never work. What is the high-percentage shot when one reaches a drop shot that has fallen below the level of the net?

'Cause what I'm doing (just hitting Any Old Shot) is totally not working.
 
difficult in doubles because theres normally a player covering a return drop shot, and a player covering the deep shot. hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......
probably get a really tough angle shot.

So, if 1 partner is covering the net at deuce side, and the other is on the baseline on the ad court, try getting a sneaking angle shot on the side where neither player can get it. Try and aim very acute and wide, use as much of the doubles lline as possible, thats what its for!!!
 
IMHO,

I don't think there's a safe shot in that situation. Any ball that's sunk below the net is going to be tough to hit back, especially if your opponents are at the net waiting for a weak reply.

Assuming you get there in time and have a little room, I might try a dipping top spin shot, give it enough spin to get over the net, but hopefully have it fall at the opponent's feet. I might also try a top spin lob, but that's a tough shot to hit on the run and with less court to work with.

You could also try hitting the ball back low and at thier body to try and jam them up and hope for a weak volley that you can knock off.

I guess really the best thing to do is be at the net so they can't hit a drop shot or hopefully your partner at the net can anticipate the shot and move knock it back.
 
good, any new shot you can learn is a bonus, like i said, its better and safer than my first idea, but it depends on how good the drop shot is, if its crap take it out wide and finish the point, if its good then learn to slice.
 
Don't sit on the baseline, get to net. You shouldn't have to worry about dropshots in doubles!!!!

Have you tried to lob? otherwise just keep the ball very low to the net and between opponents if you get there late and have to hit up on the ball.
 
Would a slice be a good idea or a bad idea?

IMHO,

Depends. How close is the other player to the net?

If they are still at the baseline or at mid court, you could try a little slice and drop shot them back, or if you get to it early enough and the ball is close to net height, use a driving slice to put it back into play, or add a little side-spin and give them a junk ball back.

If the other player is sitting on top of the net and you are going to have to hit up on the ball to get it to clear the net, I'd avoid the slice as it will probably float and sit up unless you have good touch and can hit it back, with slice, low and over the net. If you have the time and enough space between you and the net, I think a dipping top-spin shot would work better.

At least that's my 2 cents (FWIW).
 
You say a lob would never work. Why is that? I think that's your best option. (I'm assuming the situation when the drop shotter comes to the net.) With everybody in close you can lob it over them for a clean winner. If they are able to reach it, at least they are now hitting well behind the net with their weight moving backwards.

With the ball beneath the net, any other shot will probably be big trouble, because you'll be giving them a rising ball that they'll be able to 'spike' down on easily.
 
When hitting a low shot right near the net, I aim at the center tape and hit a very wide angle, soft and low crosscourt shot. Whats really cool about the shot, is that you can run right at the ball and hit it with your racquet held out straight with a slightly open face and without any stroke. I find that it goes in consistently, and is often a winner. Even if the other players get to it, they have to return a similar shot (short and below the net) with me then waiting wack any high returns.

The alternatives are often bad -

a shot down the line has to be hit over the net but still stay in, so it will be a sitter; and

a lob in that situation is really hard because you have to hit over the opponent (who is usually about 10 feet away) while keeping the ball in.
 
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At the 3.0, 3.5 levels a slice lob is a good option. Your opponent is not going to have the sort of overhead that can hit a clean winner off the lob.

You need a lot of practise with this shot to develop the touch and feel to execute it well since you are close to the net. You want to hit it high above your opponent and have it land close to the baseline.

Like someone said earlier, if your opponent has really closed the net, it is a good option.
 
a lob in that situation is really hard because you have to hit over the opponent (who is usually about 10 feet away) while keeping the ball in.

I don't especially follow that, as you said, they're only about 10 feet away, so hitting all your targets from up close gets easier, not harder. And at 10 feet, they have precious little time to react. As soon as they see it's a lob, it's over them.

I'm not just being theoretical. One match I was lobbing a guy for winners all day with these. On one occasion, I delay, like I might drive, then at the last instant I lobbed him for another winner and he said, "I knew you were going to do that!" So he suspected it, but still it beat him so badly, that he made no effort to even chase it down.

The people I play are 3.5s, (on the sign up sheet, everyone writes 4.5, but they're really 3.5). To do this shot, you've got to have some feel for the ball. (Not world class, but some feel.) At this level, I find that lobbing the drop shot over the net man's head is like taking candy from a baby.
 
In a doubles game, your partner should cover the dropshots for you if you're at baseline. Either that or both of you should be at the net. Dropshots are deadly in singles but in doubles, it shouldn't be that big of a problem.
 
I don't see the lob as a viable option for a drop shot that lands in the front half of the service box. Why wouldn't the net person just stuff it down my throat? Wouldn't it hit the ceiling fixtures?
 
I don't see the lob as a viable option for a drop shot that lands in the front half of the service box. Why wouldn't the net person just stuff it down my throat? Wouldn't it hit the ceiling fixtures?

You know your own game, so if it looks like a bad idea, it probably is. To me it's always looked like a fat, easy, way to get the point. It just has to go over their outstretched racquet. Club players stay glued to one spot for the count of "one one-thousand", (at least), on lobs until they start to move. By that time it should be too late. (This is called a 'quick lob', it has a lower trajectory than a defensive lob).

If you want to be even more cruel, lob to their backhand. Not many players have mastered the backhand, 'windmill', smash. If the ones in your group have...who are these people you're playing against?
 
I don't especially follow that, as you said, they're only about 10 feet away, so hitting all your targets from up close gets easier, not harder. And at 10 feet, they have precious little time to react. As soon as they see it's a lob, it's over them.

I'm not just being theoretical. One match I was lobbing a guy for winners all day with these. On one occasion, I delay, like I might drive, then at the last instant I lobbed him for another winner and he said, "I knew you were going to do that!" So he suspected it, but still it beat him so badly, that he made no effort to even chase it down.

The people I play are 3.5s, (on the sign up sheet, everyone writes 4.5, but they're really 3.5). To do this shot, you've got to have some feel for the ball. (Not world class, but some feel.) At this level, I find that lobbing the drop shot over the net man's head is like taking candy from a baby.

I don't know man. Hitting a lob on the run and getting it to land in and beat the guy at the net can be tough when the drop shotland about 3-5 feet away from the net.

Hitting a lob from that close in, you have a pretty small window for beating the player at the net with an un-retunrable lob - unless your opponent has feet of cement or is just out of postition.

That sort of lob has to have a very high arc, which can usually give your opponent time to run back and get it, or has to be kind of shallow and just clear your opponent and land with enough forward motion to keep them from tracking it down. The second type of lob can be done, but it's a much harder shot. I"d say about 8 times out of 10, this shot ends up short and being crushed by the guy at the net.
 
When hitting a low shot right near the net, I aim at the center tape and hit a very wide angle, soft and low crosscourt shot. Whats really cool about the shot, is that you can run right at the ball and hit it with your racquet held out straight with a slightly open face and without any stroke. I find that it goes in consistently, and is often a winner. Even if the other players get to it, they have to return a similar shot (short and below the net) with me then waiting wack any high returns.


Listen to Nellie. I do this all the time in doubles.
 
you know what, just every one quit doubles, its lame, and its for lazy people. Singles is the proper test , and you know what , its genuinely more fun, youre in charge of you own fate, you cover the whole court, and quite frankly, 4 people all playing on 1 court is boring and spoilt.
 
I'm having the weirdest problem in mixed doubles: players who play drop shots to my side of the court when I'm at the baseline.

I almost always reach these balls. The problem is that I rarely hit a good shot when I get there, especially if the person who hit the drop shot was smart enough to follow it in. If I get the ball back over the net, the opponent has an easy put-away to wherever my poor partner is not standing.

I do not have a FH or BH slice that is worth a darn. I know a lob would never work. What is the high-percentage shot when one reaches a drop shot that has fallen below the level of the net?

'Cause what I'm doing (just hitting Any Old Shot) is totally not working.

The question is why are you getting droped shotted in doubles. Hitting a dropshot shot from the base line is not the highest percentage of shots. To do it in doubles is even lower percentage since your partner at net should be able to get to the ball. Are your oppoenets really hitting a drop shot or is it an angled short slice?
 
The question is why are you getting droped shotted in doubles. Hitting a dropshot shot from the base line is not the highest percentage of shots. To do it in doubles is even lower percentage since your partner at net should be able to get to the ball. Are your oppoenets really hitting a drop shot or is it an angled short slice?

I agree. What is the shot your opponents are hitting the drop shot off of? Consistent drop shots usually need a fairly slow, short ball to work well, and your opponents are getting that shot. Work on that shot before the drop shot and this problem should go away.

That being said, if you are still getting drop shotted, I'd either try to play a low, short shot back or put a lob up. You really don't have much other choices if you are scrambling to just reach the ball. Hitting a low shot is actually not that hard as long as you just hold the racquet out softly and run into the ball without swinging. If you decide you want to lob from that racquet position, all you need to do is angle the face up and give it a very short punch. It's an easy to disguise shot and because you're trying to do very little more than bunt it back, you should be able with some practice to aim this fairly well too.
 
When hitting a low shot right near the net, I aim at the center tape and hit a very wide angle, soft and low crosscourt shot. Whats really cool about the shot, is that you can run right at the ball and hit it with your racquet held out straight with a slightly open face and without any stroke. I find that it goes in consistently, and is often a winner. Even if the other players get to it, they have to return a similar shot (short and below the net) with me then waiting wack any high returns.

The alternatives are often bad -

a shot down the line has to be hit over the net but still stay in, so it will be a sitter; and

a lob in that situation is really hard because you have to hit over the opponent (who is usually about 10 feet away) while keeping the ball in.

i agree with Nellie

also, watch the other player and see if he/she likes to hit the drop shot with his forehand or backhand. when u see him winding up for a slice shot, start moving in abit. even if he/she ends up hitting a regular slice, it'll probably be abit short. or if it is deep, its probably floaty (or atleast slower than a regular shot) and u;ll hav time to move back and prepare. that is ofcouse unless he/she has a very good slice or a good disguise. also try hitting more topspin as should give him some difficulty hitting an effective dropshot
 
To be clear, I'm a 3.5 woman. When I play ladies (6.5 combo), no one drop-shots me, not intentionally anyway. Sometimes you will see ladies with poor stroke mechanics who cannot drive the ball, so their returns are short. These are easy to reach and I could S&V if they are not easy to reach. And the person who hit it is usually hugging the baseline, so I have plenty of court open to me.

The problem comes with 7.0 mixed. This weekend, I played a 4.0 guy who had the most unorthodox approach shot. He would take my serve, and hit what I am calling a drop shot and then follow it to net. Kind of a push or slice or some weird thing. Whatever it was, I had to race to the net to play it, and it didn't strike me as a ball I could reasonably expect my partner to get. S&V isn't my favorite trick to try against a 4.0 guy, as they have this unfortunate way of blasting me out of my tennis shoes in a way 3.0-3.5 women do not.

So aim for the net strap and try to finesse it over cross-court, eh? And I run with my racket in front and take no backswing and use no follow-through?

I dunno, that lob idea scares me against a 4.0 guy. I can see it now. I race in, I pop it up, he stretches up for an overhead, and everything goes dark. :)
 
I dunno, that lob idea scares me against a 4.0 guy. I can see it now. I race in, I pop it up, he stretches up for an overhead, and everything goes dark. :)

That's a risk! I think that most bad (short) lobs, come not from misjudging how hard to hit it, but from mishitting it on your racquet. You can feel it. The ball hits near the outer perimeter of your racquet head, and uh oh, you know that's trouble! So try to really keep your eye on the ball all the way...and maybe lob over the other player instead.

If the worst case scenario happens anyway, quick turn your back to the net, then, (if he's a gentleman), he should angle it away.

But if you do get a couple of lobs past him, he'll hang back a bit, and it will make it alot easier to execute that low shot everyone is talking about.
 
To be clear, I'm a 3.5 woman. When I play ladies (6.5 combo), no one drop-shots me, not intentionally anyway. Sometimes you will see ladies with poor stroke mechanics who cannot drive the ball, so their returns are short. These are easy to reach and I could S&V if they are not easy to reach. And the person who hit it is usually hugging the baseline, so I have plenty of court open to me.

The problem comes with 7.0 mixed. This weekend, I played a 4.0 guy who had the most unorthodox approach shot. He would take my serve, and hit what I am calling a drop shot and then follow it to net. Kind of a push or slice or some weird thing. Whatever it was, I had to race to the net to play it, and it didn't strike me as a ball I could reasonably expect my partner to get. S&V isn't my favorite trick to try against a 4.0 guy, as they have this unfortunate way of blasting me out of my tennis shoes in a way 3.0-3.5 women do not.

So aim for the net strap and try to finesse it over cross-court, eh? And I run with my racket in front and take no backswing and use no follow-through?

I dunno, that lob idea scares me against a 4.0 guy. I can see it now. I race in, I pop it up, he stretches up for an overhead, and everything goes dark. :)

No, dont try to go for a lob when you are forced to run into the ball into the net.. the risk of hitting it long or into your opponents hand is too high. I would do this:
1 - if i have enough time to get into position and swing on the ball i would just hit a casual approach shot crosscourt to my opponents body/legs or into the middle of the court. keep the ball low and dont open any angle.
2 - if i dont have time to get a swing on the ball just get it back into the middle of the court. no need for power. key is to keep it low, have them volley below the net.

in both cases you should expect the ball back so both of you should follow up to the net.
 
If you have time to read it and if the ball sits just a little, I'd recommend just driving the ball right at the drop shot player. Not only is it a safe play (as you are hitting towards the center of the court), but it also tells your opponent you will punish him if he doesn't hit a good drop shot.


However, if it is a good drop shot, then you're going to have to develop some feel around the net. I don't have a problem with dropshots when I play doubles because I'm comfortable around the net. Usually I can hit some short angle balls away from the net player, allowing my partner to finish the point with an easy volley/smash. It's a difficult shot to defend against in doubles if it is a good drop shot, but it can be done.
 
To be clear, I'm a 3.5 woman. When I play ladies (6.5 combo), no one drop-shots me, not intentionally anyway. Sometimes you will see ladies with poor stroke mechanics who cannot drive the ball, so their returns are short. These are easy to reach and I could S&V if they are not easy to reach. And the person who hit it is usually hugging the baseline, so I have plenty of court open to me.

The problem comes with 7.0 mixed. This weekend, I played a 4.0 guy who had the most unorthodox approach shot. He would take my serve, and hit what I am calling a drop shot and then follow it to net. Kind of a push or slice or some weird thing. Whatever it was, I had to race to the net to play it, and it didn't strike me as a ball I could reasonably expect my partner to get. S&V isn't my favorite trick to try against a 4.0 guy, as they have this unfortunate way of blasting me out of my tennis shoes in a way 3.0-3.5 women do not.

So aim for the net strap and try to finesse it over cross-court, eh? And I run with my racket in front and take no backswing and use no follow-through?

I dunno, that lob idea scares me against a 4.0 guy. I can see it now. I race in, I pop it up, he stretches up for an overhead, and everything goes dark. :)

What you are describing is what I had a suspension was happening. Often in mixed doubles if the woman serves up meatballs the man will hit a backhand angled slice or dropshot and come to net.

You want to know what to do? It is sort of like asking in chess what should one do when ones opponent has check mate in 3 moves. The answer is nothing you have already lost the game or in your case point.

So the question you should ask is what serve can I hit to stop this guy from hitting the "drop shot"

Is he doing it on first serves or just second? Can he do it off both sides? What serves are you hitting?
 
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I do not have a FH or BH slice that is worth a darn. I know a lob would never work. What is the high-percentage shot when one reaches a drop shot that has fallen below the level of the net?

Cause what I'm doing (just hitting Any Old Shot) is totally not working.
I lob when I return dropshots a lot of the time and I either stay in the point or I win from the lob. I also look for crosscourt angles, sort of like what Safin did to that dude at the French. It's never a good idea to try a slingshot winner from a dropper, but a sliced reply, a well angled shot, or a lob are all good options.
 
To be clear, I'm a 3.5 woman. When I play ladies (6.5 combo), no one drop-shots me, not intentionally anyway. Sometimes you will see ladies with poor stroke mechanics who cannot drive the ball, so their returns are short. These are easy to reach and I could S&V if they are not easy to reach. And the person who hit it is usually hugging the baseline, so I have plenty of court open to me.

The problem comes with 7.0 mixed. This weekend, I played a 4.0 guy who had the most unorthodox approach shot. He would take my serve, and hit what I am calling a drop shot and then follow it to net. Kind of a push or slice or some weird thing. Whatever it was, I had to race to the net to play it, and it didn't strike me as a ball I could reasonably expect my partner to get. S&V isn't my favorite trick to try against a 4.0 guy, as they have this unfortunate way of blasting me out of my tennis shoes in a way 3.0-3.5 women do not.

So aim for the net strap and try to finesse it over cross-court, eh? And I run with my racket in front and take no backswing and use no follow-through?

I dunno, that lob idea scares me against a 4.0 guy. I can see it now. I race in, I pop it up, he stretches up for an overhead, and everything goes dark. :)

He sounds like a pusher, for sure.

I would start to anticipate the drop shot or push, whatever it is, and move forward a little more than your usual. This will help not allow the ball to dip too low. If you can take the ball fairly high, you can start attacking the opponent's net player. That's what I would do is to attack the lesser NTRP player at the net.

You can drive the ball hard into the body of the net player, slice low to that person's weaker side and force that player to hit up.

The other option is to hit a short, sharp-angled, cross court shot for the pusher sitting at the baseline.
 
Personally, I would just load up and try to hammer the person at the net. But that's just me and that may be perceived as being mean. :)
 
Cindy, if you're having trouble hitting the shot - don't worry! This is doubles! Unless your partner is playing way into the alley or you're going with a 2-Back Formation, he should be able to get over and handle it.

I know this sounds like the easy way out...and it is.

If your partner is competent, he should be able to do this.
 
Cindy, if you're having trouble hitting the shot - don't worry! This is doubles! Unless your partner is playing way into the alley or you're going with a 2-Back Formation, he should be able to get over and handle it.

I know this sounds like the easy way out...and it is.

If your partner is competent, he should be able to do this.

If the returner is hitting a slice/dropshot in the far alley not sure how the net man is supposed to get that ball. Also the "drop shot is not being hit from the base line but off a short serve (my guess). The net man cannot leave early he would then open up half the court.
 
Ok, as kevo said you shouldn't have to run down dropshots, because you should be putting that weak return away at the net.

I see this alot in mixed, very slow women lacking anticipation to move forward. If another women dropshoted you, drop them back. Works a treat.

OTH a man will be get it. Just keep the ball low. At the net they'll get a low volley with little pace or ball below net height which they could tape or hit long.
 
Ok, as kevo said you shouldn't have to run down dropshots, because you should be putting that weak return away at the net.

I see this alot in mixed, very slow women lacking anticipation to move forward. If another women dropshoted you, drop them back. Works a treat.

OTH a man will be get it. Just keep the ball low. At the net they'll get a low volley with little pace or ball below net height which they could tape or hit long.

You've got to read more carefully. The person who hit the dropshot goes to the net. You're recommending hitting dropshots to players at the net?
 
I lob when I return dropshots a lot of the time and I either stay in the point or I win from the lob. I also look for crosscourt angles, sort of like what Safin did to that dude at the French. It's never a good idea to try a slingshot winner from a dropper, but a sliced reply, a well angled shot, or a lob are all good options.

Yep, makes sense. And I've seen that work for over 25 years.

Some dudes insist that this is wrong, (without saying why), and instead say it's a good idea to take this low ball and return it low! This works well when there is no net, otherwise physics gets in the way.
 
Hi Cindy, the options of lobbing or hitting crosscourt works quite well for me. The trick to hitting it crosscourt is to hit a reply that is below the level of the net. Odds are good that the guy won't really close onto the net, hopefully so you can then get another shot at putting the ball away. One drill that enabled me to get the feel of hitting really wide crosscourt angles is to have you and your partner in opposite diagonal service boxes. Start in the middle of the box and then try to hit the side of the ball to get that crosscourt angle. You can then try to hit slices and also switch sides to get the crosscourt feel on the other side. As you advance, you will be able to hit the ball closer to the net and would be able to even half-volley and volley with that extreme crosscourt angle.
 
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Well said jayserinos99. A thoughtful, articulate, response, seems more persuasive then pretending you have a game show buzzer.
 
Hi Cindy, the options of lobbing or hitting crosscourt works quite well for me. The trick to hitting it crosscourt is to hit a reply that is below the level of the net. Odds are good that the guy won't really close onto the net, hopefully so you can then get another shot at putting the ball away. One drill that enabled me to get the feel of hitting really wide crosscourt angles is to have you and your partner in opposite diagonal service boxes. Start in the middle of the box and then try to hit the side of the ball to get that crosscourt angle. You can then try to hit slices and also switch sides to get the crosscourt feel on the other side. As you advance, you will be able to hit the ball closer to the net and would be able to even half-volley and volley with that extreme crosscourt angle.

I agree one hundred percent.
 
Ok, as kevo said you shouldn't have to run down dropshots, because you should be putting that weak return away at the net.

I see this alot in mixed, very slow women lacking anticipation to move forward. If another women dropshoted you, drop them back. Works a treat.

OTH a man will be get it. Just keep the ball low. At the net they'll get a low volley with little pace or ball below net height which they could tape or hit long.

Speaking in very broad generalities here. A man will get it, but a woman won't? Always? In these forums one can suggest ideas and that might help. A dogmatic attitude is impractical because you haven't seen these players in action.
 
First of all, if players are dropshotting you and you are at the baseline (is this an old post?) you know you need to get to the net sooner. Most likely that would solve the whole thing.

But to answer the question, if it is a really low ball then you get down low and volley/half-volley it back at the approaching payer's feet OR angle it cross court and low so that the opponent has to change direction to get to it and then hit up on the ball to where you and your partner are both waiting.

Also, if you notice the net person move toward the center to "poach" your volley, you can just hesitate a moment until they are commited and drop the ball behind them.

If the ball bounces higher, so you can volley through it with some pace, then go between the players, find empty court or aim at the net players hip or chest (makes them think twice about repeating the same thing).
 
if you have enough time to get to a drop shot from the baseline, your partner AT the net has even MORE time and should be the one dealing with it IMO.

if I have two opponents at the net while i am receiving a drop shot i just send a moon ball lob over their heads to buy some time and back them up. often they will get outta rhythm and try to smash it from deep in the court...into the net or out.

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No, I don't remember it, but I thought she had become more adept at getting to the net, and if she could get to the net sooner it would make the question moot (don't get to use that word very often).
 
If this is doubles, why are you not at the net?

In doubles, the key to winning is making the other team hit up at you from below the level of the net. In doubles, low short chips, or even dropshots are the proper play. If you are staying back, this is all you should see.

It is an good play to lob over the other team if you can do it, however, if you are having to run forward for the ball, it is very difficult to get the proper touch to get it over their heads and still keep it in the court. Some people can do this, most can't. Unless you are confident hitting this shot, it might not be a good idea.

Per paragraph #2, you want them to hit up at you, so a soft chip short in the court at their feet is the appropriate play. This cat and mouse is when doubles can be fun. (Of course, if you get the ball too high and they whack it at you, it can be not so much fun.)
 
I'm having the weirdest problem in mixed doubles: players who play drop shots to my side of the court when I'm at the baseline.

I almost always reach these balls. The problem is that I rarely hit a good shot when I get there, especially if the person who hit the drop shot was smart enough to follow it in. If I get the ball back over the net, the opponent has an easy put-away to wherever my poor partner is not standing.

I do not have a FH or BH slice that is worth a darn. I know a lob would never work. What is the high-percentage shot when one reaches a drop shot that has fallen below the level of the net?

'Cause what I'm doing (just hitting Any Old Shot) is totally not working.
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If you are back and your partner is up, then a drop shot on your side is your partner's responsibility. Do the math. You're covering a rectangle 18' x 39', and so is your partner. Your partner is only 18' away from the ball, while you are 39' away!

I suspect you're thinking, "But I've got to take it, it's on my side, No. You're a team. She should take that ball, and if you turn the situation around, then you should take that ball. (And she shouldn't exclaim, "Hey, you're on my side of the court!")
 
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