It feels like I need to standardize the motion, feels like it’s all over the place. Sometimes that rear leg kicks up like it’s supposed to, other times you can see my whole body crumpling in the air while the legs stay close together.
Toss too far to right or left? Or too low/high?
It's actually fun and motivating (for me) to make noise while practicing. I generate energy from self talking, making audible noise, but no trash talking.
Left / behind.
That's always been my go-to way of judging power. LOL.
I like how @ProStaffFanatic has the elbow lower. Looks better and cartwheels better
Never paid attention to Stan's serve before, but I already said PSF serve is correct.
Stan’s serve isn’t one to emulate and that super high elbow is one reason why
Yes, Stan is now lagging much harder and storing more energy. Racquet tip is literally below his asscheeks and PSF’s is above or at the cheek line
I wouldn't mind having a top 100 ATP serve let alone Stan's .
It’s lower, but your elbow is pointing to the side fence
Your foot position looks so bad in comparison to both of them.
I give you an E for effort, Mr B
E means excellent, better than A. hehe
Scrubbing through one of your serves, one of the things I notice is that, though you get a good amount of knee bend, from there your body weight doesn't seem to go upward much. Head almost stays level from there, all the way to contact.
well thanks... I thot E meant Error, or just above F.E means excellent, better than A. hehe
just some fun bantering.
Are you really learning the serve from PSF or just being snarky?
It's very difficult if not impossible to go right into the "final" form with deep drop and all.
are you trying to make me fall down?
We sure do miscommunicate. My suggestion is about making it less likely to fall down. Center of mass a bit closer to your feet/base is more stable and on balance, not less, no? Maybe I am just not great at describing.
Sure thing. My observation was re adding some upper body vertical/height into contact, from your leg extension.
I was simply providing my initial reaction upon seeing the photos. And I reacted because your feet give off the impression of weakness and uncoordination. This is not to say that is the case, just that it is how it looks.
Like get in position to hit the ball in front of you? My former's girl coach philosophy...
Yeah, Stan's elbow is way too high. But after that position he does a typical elbow dip to get it closer in line, and that's his trigger to unload. Jerzy Janowicz does something similar. I agree with @Rosstour.
OK now you're onto something. But you also have to factor in flexibility and mobility limitations.
For some reason I am not always getting notifications when tagged.
That is true.
Fixed it for you! I think no.
Sure. But what I wanted to say was the "serve cones for 30 minutes once or twice a week". But only if the kinetic chain is in order!
Just saw this.
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great post, thanks, i'll try this when i start working on my serve again.Here's where the magic happens.
I wouldn't say this is where power comes from though. But I would say that this is the motion where power - and accuracy - is channeled through.
It sure gives you access to "easy" power though and there is off course more to it then just this (trophy, racket drop, coil, lift,...) but without this - forget it.
When I teach the serve, the above is basically what I start with. As in: nothing else. Starting position is literally frame one... racket on edge and string bed point left. Toss ball, bring racket up, pronate and end at frame 3. Literally end... no swinging through. So that the student can literally see and feel that the frame is fully turned with hitting string side pointing fully right.
And even doing just that, you can actually get pretty decent power going already if done correctly.
Then adding in trophy, coil, racket drop and lift from legs adds loads extra racket acceleration and power gets multiplied.
A cue I often use with students, mostly with succes, is also to not consciously let the racket drop. But rather, to throw the hitting elbow up and forwards from the trophy pose while keeping the forearm / wrist nice and relaxed so it just dangles along for the ride.
If you do that, your racket drops behind you automatically. And then it becomes a "simple" 1-2 motion from trophy onwards.
1: throw elbow up and forward
2: let racket follow up and pronate / ESR
