I saw this in TT archive. I think is pretty interesting: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nastase's 15th title in 1973 Hops Most references cite Nastase with 15 titles in 1973, e.g. http://www.tennisfame.org/enshrinees/ilie_nastase.html "His finest season was 1973, when he was regarded as No. 1 in the world after winning the Italian, French, and l3 other tournaments, and downing Tom Okker in the Masters final, 6-3, 7-5, 4-6, 6-3. That season he won 15 of 31 tourneys on a 118-17 match record" ATP site lists 14 titles: Barcelona (April) Barcelona (October) Calgary Cincinnati Florence Gstaad London Madrid Monte Carlo Omaha Paris Roland Garros Rome Masters anyone know what the 15th title was? In the book 'Nastase' by Richard Evans, 1978, they cite two further titles for 1973, Merryfield and Istanbul, and 3 runner up: Hampton, Dewar Cup and Bristish Hard Court.. Hops thanks ... just to give you an idea what I'm doing - most are familiar with 'official' list of most Open Era titles: 109 Connors 94 Lendl 77 Mac 64 Sampras 62 Borg 62 Vilas 60 Agassi 57 Nastase However if you look on the ATP site all the 70s-80s players have missing titles - Jimbo 105; Mac 76; Borg 57. These are usually Pepsi Grand Slam/WCT Challenge Cups - very small invitationals with 4-8 players. Nastase the same - listed with 52, but add 1970 Salisbury pro indoor (per HOF site) 1976 Honolulu WCT CC 1976 Las Vegas WCT CC (Pepsi) 1978 Montego Bay WCT CC up to 56. So looking for final Nastase title, was one short in 1973 ... I only needed one, not two! :| Couldn't find any reference to 'Merryfield' ... Istanbul titles are here: http://www.tedclub.org.tr/eng/tedopenwinnerlist.asp except that ATP only recognizes Dowdswell title in 1975 - it became a challenger at some point - and if I take both Istanbul titles (1971/73) that puts Nastase over 57 - and that's not even taking into account this: http://www.momas.ro/turism/Romsite/bekende_sport.htm what's with all those 1968/69 titles? were they all amateur or ... ? The earlier one goes back into 1970s, the murkier it gets. Would appreciate advice on what Bud Collins and other encyclopedias show on this topic (ATP titles in general, for all players). urban Yes, Hops, because i did a little research for this part of tennis history, i know the difficulties very well. As i posted before, the best books on that subject are for the pre open pro game Joe McCauley, History of Professional Tennis, 2001, and Michel Sutter, Winners-Vainqueurs 1946-1991, Paris 1992. I think Nastase was official amateur until 1973 and played the ITF Grand Prix Circuit and the weak Riordan circuit (since 1972) in those years. His amateur status made him always eligible to Davis Cup. In the first years of open tennis there were contract pros (NTL and WCT, who merged in 1970) who could not play Davis Cup until 1973, licensed players and still official amateurs. There were few open tournaments, pro tournaments and since 1970 Grand Prix and WCT tournaments (where the lot of the best players played). On the ATP webside the tournaments and match results are not complete. I can track for Laver for instance 11 titles in 1968, 18 (some count 17) in 1969 and 13 in 1970. I cannot understand why the ATP doesn't count at least the open tournaments like the South African Open, the British Covered Court open or the US pro at Boston. They even have not the very first open- the British HC at Bournemouth in 1968, which Rosewall won. urban On that Istanbul question. In the cited Sutter's book i found: 30.7.1973 Istanbul: Nastase-Gisbert (Spain) 62 36 63 62. Hops On that Istanbul question. In the cited Sutter's book i found: 30.7.1973 Istanbul: Nastase-Gisbert (Spain) 62 36 63 62. thnx Urban Moose hops, according to wikepedia, some of these title counts are low. the atp website says that Borg won his 1st pro title in '74, but wikepedia says it was 1973 Helsinki. also I came across many results on the itf website that aren't on the atp site. You have Pancho Gonzales' open era title count on your site as 3, on the itf site I found at least 2 more titles. Andres Guazzelli Most of them played tournies, but not ATP Tour official tourneys. For example, Vilas, in 1977, won 17 titles (one unofficial) and his streak was 50 matches (4 unofficial), and that's why the record is Borg's with 49, followed by Vilas' 46. urban You are right Andres, but the term 'ATP official tournament' has some irony in it. The ATP was a players union in those days, founded by people like Newcombe and Drysdale, who where playing the WCT circuit. The didn't have own tournaments, with a few exceptions (since 1974 they had the event at Tucson or Indian Wells)or sanction events. They simply need to review their webside. On smaller tournaments, thex are not consistent. They count for instance the Pepsi Grand Slam for Borg (with a 4 or 8 men field), but not the Rye tournament for Vilas, which would give him the cited streak of 50. Also in Vilas case the definitions of surfaces are not true. He couldn't have gotten artithmetically a clay streak of 53, if some summer US tournaments were hard, as given by the webside. The must have been har tru, which is clay. Moose Malloy urban, do you know who Borg beat to win Helsinki in '73? what was the surface? can't find the result at itf website. urban Michel Sutter, whom i cited in the thread above, has a Borg win 4/02/1973 at Helsinki over an unknown (Pole) Niedzwicki. Must be on carpet indoors, because of the arctic temperature in Finnland. I assume, that was a minor event, comparable to a satellite tournament today. Hops hops, according to wikepedia, some of these title counts are low. the atp website says that Borg won his 1st pro title in '74, but wikepedia says it was 1973 Helsinki. also I came across many results on the itf website that aren't on the atp site. You have Pancho Gonzales' open era title count on your site as 3, on the itf site I found at least 2 more titles. as urban notes the farther you delve back into early 1970s the murkier it gets as to what is an 'official' tournament. should stuff like pepsi-challenge really count? and of course back then WCT was separate tour entirely; imagine if today Fed and Nadal played on different tours and only could meet at slams (and maybe not even then if slam bans Fed from entering because he plays WTT) Wikipedia has some excellent articles attempting to account for everything (is that your doing urban) Check out Rosewall's entry, e.g. Very comprehensive. Moose Malloy as urban notes the farther you delve back into early 1970s the murkier it gets as to what is an 'official' tournament. True, but I believe that the itf website only has legitimate tournament results. Gonzales won the 1969 & 1971 WCT Las Vegas events in addition to the 3 events listed on the atp site, you should change his total title count on your site. here is a list of the 1970 season, with far more results available than the atp website: http://www.itftennis.com/mens/tournaments/tournamentsearch.asp Gizo Apologies for bumping up an old thread and skewing the subject slightly, but virtually every source apart from Borg's regular profile on the ATP website credit him with 62 titles (the ATP even contradict themselves because on their legends section,http://www.atptennis.com/5/en/legends/borg.asp, they state a total of 62). Here are the 61 titles that the ATP are crediting him with: 1974 - Adelaide, Bastad, Boston, London WCT, Roland Garros, Rome, Sao Paulo WCT; 1975 - Barcelona, Bologna WCT, Boston, Richmond-WCT, Roland Garros; 1976 - Boston, Dallas WCT, Dusseldorf, Sao Paulo WCT, Toronto Indoor WCT, Wimbledon; 1977 - Barcelona, Basel, Cologne, Denver, Madrid, Memphis, Monte Carlo WCT, Nice, Pepsi Grand Slam, Wembley, Wimbledon; 1978 - Bastad, Birmingham WCT, Las Vegas, Milan WCT, Pepsi Grand Slam, Roland Garros, Rome, Tokyo Indoor, Wimbledon; 1979 - Bastad, Las Vegas, Masters, Monte Carlo, Montreal / Toronto, Palermo, Pepsi Grand Slam, Richmond WCT, Roland Garros, Rotterdam, Tokyo Indoor, Wimbledon; 1980 - Las Vegas, Masters, Monte Carlo, Nice, Pepsi Grand Slam, Roland Garros, Stockholm, Wimbledon; 1981 - Geneva, Roland Garros, Stuttgart Outdoor Does anyone know what the mysterious 62nd title was, that everyone else is crediting him with. CyBorg Borg actually won 77 singles titles - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Björn_Borg .. scroll down a bit .. but the ATP recognizes 61 of them, not 62 (62 appears to be a mistake on their part). I believe this is all of them. I wish I could find the exact scores somewhere for the 16. CyBorg List of Auckland winners: http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/profile/301.asp It's interesting that the list begins at 1975. Borg was the winner in '74. Perhaps this is the title that the ATP can't decide whether not recognize or not.