veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Sorry, I meant in a best of 5 match.
Olympics 2012 Men's Singles Final: [1] Roger Federer vs [3] Andy Murray
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FlashFlare11
Hall of Fame
I think he could win WTF without too much trouble. Murray and Tsonga seem to be his biggest threats there. USO may be a bit much, but I thought Wimbledon was too and he surprised me there, so I don't know.
He should pick his battles, like you said, to keep Novak off his back. He's played a lot of tennis this year and it's going to be getting to him soon.
I also didn't like how he bascially set himself up for disappointment by putting so much emphasis the Singles Gold. When the media and people react so vigorously when you lose a meaningless 250 event, what do they say when you lose an event you so badly wanted to win (and may never get a chance to win again)? I'm happy with the result, however. Silver, for the career Roger's had, is enough.
I just hope that he's happy. As a fan, the most important thing should be whether your favorite is happy and content with what they've achieved. By the looks of it, Roger seems happy, and that's all I need to see. The worst thing for me would be for him to retire with regrets, and I don't want to see that happen.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Yes but he clearly owned Federer at this point and was mentally beating him up. Djokovic was favourite for Wimbledon vs Nadal last year despite never being in a wimbledon final before.Similar situation.
Olympics isn't the same as a slam, more similar to a pre 2007 masters. He'd won a 5 set masters final on hardcourt, and had to play best of 5 only in the final.
plus like I said, after wimbledon it looked like he could win anywhere.
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
You want to see excuses about being outplayed? Go rewatch Rosol's 2nd round match earlier last month at Wimbledon and reread the forums.
No offense to Rafa of course......
I think the Brits are going to knight Wiggins.
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, I'm sure that is what he looks at when thinking back on his career...
Obviously that afterall, is the summation of his career Quite frankly, it's amazing how much Rafa has been brought into this by folks.
And Rafa's loss to Rosol was simply that Rafa didn't play that well and Rosol had the best match of his career. No excuses.
10is
Professional
Me too! Very well said!
It's fascinating to read all the Fed fans talking about how gracious they are to Murray, but they are dissing the Olympics as a tournament. Of course, I'm assuming that had Fed completed the Golden Slam, there would be no dissing of the Olympics. And I guess that's why there's also trashing of Nadal, who didn't even play.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
He was, but for Lendl to turn that around on the literal edge of losing that title showed he not only raised the level of his game, but surpassed the on-fire McEnroe to take the whole thing. Murray (at Wimbledon) was essentially where Lendl was at the FO, only Murray turned his game up in the next match, rather than the same one, but make no mistake, Federer was not tired, disinterested, or hurt, and the results could have been different.
What does Nadal have to do with this Federer loss?
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
quoted for truth. Take a look at the General forum--within minutes of Federer losing, they came out screaming how irrelevant the Olympics are compared to masters, etc. They are so enormously insecure that they mest tear down any accomplishment Federer failed to earn.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
If you think that was Federer playing his best tennis you know nothing about tennis. As I've said 20 times, Andy played well enough to beat Federer even if he was playing well, but let's not be deluded and pretet that he came out and played well. If he did the score would have been closer.
Mac was on fire.There is no way you can call Federer "on fire" in today's match.
And people make plenty of excuses for Nadal. I bet you would make excuses for the matches I've mentioned, or do you say that he just got outplayed by his opponents and his bad play had nothing to do with the score?
FuriousYellow
Professional
Just finished watching it. One thing that struck me was how different the pace was compared to the Wimbledon match. Federer was a blur in Wimby, hitting the ball early and the pace of the match was so much quicker. The match seemed so much slower today.
Congrats to Andy! It might have been just a tournament to the other players, but for him to win the gold medal in London a month after getting thrashed by the same guy, was huge.
Congrats to Andy! It might have been just a tournament to the other players, but for him to win the gold medal in London a month after getting thrashed by the same guy, was huge.
TennisBatman
Semi-Pro
Perhaps Federer did not play his best, but there is no doubt he tried to play his best.
As Djokovic once said, finding your best game is part of the "ask" of winning a tennis tournament, and Federer failed to answer that "ask" successfully.
Feña14
G.O.A.T.
It's interesting, all year he has done pretty well. The semi against Djokovic in Australia was a turning point of sorts, then getting to the Wimbledon final, winning his first set in a final, winning Olympic gold after beating the top 2 players in the world, back-to-back.
He's serving better, being more aggressive, winning the big points and generally being more clutch. Seeing how he reacted to only getting silver in the mixed doubles, he was gutted. It seems to me like he's got the winning bug at the moment, he wants more and is hungry for it.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Massu won the singles and doubles Gold in his first attempt, better than Rafa winning ONLY the singles gold in first attempt.
Crisstti
Legend
Being that he hadn't even been on a hc slam final then, I doubt he'd have been the clear favourite for any hc tournament where the other top players were in.
I think Rafa was the favourite with the bookies for last year's Wimbledon final (I could be wrong).
I'm not saying he was not one of the favourites, but the clear favourite?, I doubt it. I'd like to see what others think about this. Anyone?
jones101
Hall of Fame
I agree, Im a Fed fan and this dismissal of the Olympic event by some so called fans is really stupid.
Federer really wanted this, it meant a lot to him, and was a big event in his eyes. Murray played to well and won (regardless whether you think Fed was tired etc) and derserved.
I do think though, Fed was happy to finally win a singles medal after coming short in the previous 3 Olympics.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
I think Rafa was the favourite with the bookies for last year's Wimbledon final (I could be wrong).
I'm not saying he was not one of the favourites, but the clear favourite?, I doubt it. I'd like to see what others think about this. Anyone?
well i guess it depends on who you ask, i mean being a favourite is only an opinion. But he was the form player that year.
Crisstti
Legend
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
LOL, you cry-babies. The fact that Federer had tears in his eyes after winning the SF shows how important it was for him, no matter what others feel.
Go make up your sorry false excuses elsewhere!
Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
Murray did it. Take that Federer fans. Time to cry like 2009 Australian Open Final.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Shows how weak the field was then, doesn't it?
No no, had the field been weak when Massu won two golds, Fred would have won. He's the undisputed GOAT at beating weak-fields. It had to have been a strong field.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Murray did it. Take that Federer fans. Time to cry like 2009 Australian Open Final.
Poor Federer haters were hoping Federer would cry after losing so they could flay him, but sadly, he smiled.
So now the Fred haters are crying !
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Plus Rafa failed to win the doubles in Athens...the year Massu won it.
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Shows how weak the field was then, doesn't it?
Didn't Rafa beat Gonzo in the final in 08. A supposed weak player era, continually stated by fans of a certain player. Or was he strong era in 08?
namelessone
Legend
Only saw parts of this but it seemed to me like Murray was very motivated and Federer had a off day. I do think that the scoreline was way harsher than how it actually went down but hey, that's sports.
Congrats to our new Olympic champion, Andy Murray. A well deserved title.
Congrats to our new Olympic champion, Andy Murray. A well deserved title.
It meant alot to Federer but that's because he's always wanted to win out of national pride, and it is likely his last chance. He didn't take the loss badly though; this isn't like when he lost at Wimbledon or the Australian Open where he was just badly wounded from both losses to the extent he was in a massive downward spiral for quite sometime after both.
Does he want to win it? Sure. Is it of massive significance to him? Sure; he wants to win it for his country. What athlete doesn't? Is it significant in the long run when looking at his career resume? Nope. Not even close.
Federer had an offday and was tested by Del Potro big time in the semis. His deep runs in every tournament this year finally took the toll on him. Just didn't have enough steam versus a quality opponent. I think the match would have been much closer if Federer wasn't as tired, likely a 50/50 coin flip match.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
At least Federer won't be saying he got injured during the Olympics.
Got that, cowboy ?
kalyan4fedever
Legend
Fed himself admitting that he was physically there but he was emotionally drained and the article explains many more answers as what his mindset was today.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
NSK only chooses those stats that make Rafa look like "the greatest human in world history."
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"Only slams matter" - sureshs
Murray did it. Take that Federer fans. Time to cry like 2009 Australian Open Final.
Fed didn't cry BTW, you saw him smile during the medal handout. However, this win doesn't take away Wimbledon. Murray still has the pressure to win his first slam in the future.
kalyan4fedever
Legend
Feds words :
"I almost broke down after the Falla first round match because I understood how close I was to losing. That was how much it meant to me.
"There's no doubt about it, I felt the same way exactly after the semis. Maybe there was so much emotion already out of me that today that kind of hindered me from playing my absolute very best.
"For me, it's always been a dream to be part of the Olympic spirit and I didn't want to just have it go on for one day.
"Obviously, the Del Potro match emphasised all of that and made it go to some crazy extremes, which I never thought it would.
"But I'm happy I had a match like that, even though it may have cost me the finals."
"I almost broke down after the Falla first round match because I understood how close I was to losing. That was how much it meant to me.
"There's no doubt about it, I felt the same way exactly after the semis. Maybe there was so much emotion already out of me that today that kind of hindered me from playing my absolute very best.
"For me, it's always been a dream to be part of the Olympic spirit and I didn't want to just have it go on for one day.
"Obviously, the Del Potro match emphasised all of that and made it go to some crazy extremes, which I never thought it would.
"But I'm happy I had a match like that, even though it may have cost me the finals."
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Federer had 9 BP's to Murray's 10. So he was good/strong enough to get 9 BP's. He had his chances. Murray was too good.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
You are allowing a defensive posture to distort your perception of reality. To even argue that Federer was not all there is damning Murray as a "lucky winner" of sorts--that Federer had to be having an off day in order for anyone--like Murray--to beat him, when the drive with every passing moment was behind Murray turning up his game to defeat Federer no matter how well the latter played.
Federer was as focused as he was in the Wimbledon final only weeks earlier.
This is not about Nadal.
You honestly think Federer was playing well today?
It isn't damning towards Murray at all. It's Federer's job to play his best, if he can't do that, he doesn't deserve to win, and Murray played very well. But to say Federer didn't have an "off-day" today is absurd.
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Deleted member 77403
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Ah yes, of course. I'm sorry for stating the truth...
I think Federer was very happy at the medal ceremony. Sure, he didn't win the gold medal, and Murray deserved it. But that Silver medal that Federer won, he truly earned with the greatest match in Olympic tennis history. That match showed the fire, passion and heart of what it is to be part of the Olympics, and Federer battled and survived a great battle lasting well over four hours.
Before this event, he had no singles medals. Now, he has a silver medal, to add to his gold doubles from 08. He has done his country and I am sure himself proud.
Just a few weeks ago, Federer hadn't won a slam in two and a half years, trailed Sampras at weeks at number one, and had no medals in single competition. Well, he's done alright in my book since then!!!!!
He always wanted that Epic Match. I remember him talking about the Isner - Mahut match, and how much he wanted to be a part of it, since it was so historic. So to have a little bit of his own history on Centre Court, in an epic match, played with Olympic spirit must be a moment he will always cherish.
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Feña14
G.O.A.T.
Both Federer and Djokovic had chances against Murray. Usually their matches are always fairly tight and there isn't alot between them talent wise, but the top 2 are better at the big points and are more clutch. One of those most encouraging things for me was how Murray played the important parts of both matches, it's something he hasn't done well in the past but seems to be turning a corner.
In the Wimbledon final there was a long game in the 3rd set, which Murray lost and it really turned the tide Federer's way. There was one in the 2nd set today on Murray's serve again, this time he dug deep, won it and never looked back.
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
Attempting to drink a pub out of business, I would guess.
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
You're making up things I never said. I didn't say Federer had to be off for Murray to beat him, I said that Federer's form was a factor in him losing EASILY. Murray is too good a player to lose 3 finals in a row in straight sets, but it happened.Why?Cos he didn' play his best.Still would have lost but there's a difference between losing an being destroyed.
What are you saying, that when one player wins, it means the other player was playing their best?
You're ignoring the questions about Nadal because you know you would make excuses for all those losses. Don't worry I will save these posts and bring them up next time you make excuses for Nadal.
Btw, Federer did not play like he did at Wimbledon and was not "on fire"
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
+ Fed had an entire day off to recover. However, W and Olympic gold back to back is a really tough ask for a 30+ guy. Grass was the most likely surface for it to happen and I had no doubt Fed would pull it off (his draw was very cushy until SF) but clearly I overestimated him.
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Federer must have had something taken out of him after the Del Potro classic. I mean, how many times did he serve to stay in the match, to ensure a silver medal?
Crisstti
Legend
He beat Novak in the semis though. As for the final, he has to have somewhat easier finals from time to time at least, no?.
Because he didn't...
As a big fan of Murray, you must be thrilled for Murray winning the Gold after having to deal with so many tough losses in the past.
Congratulation to you and all of his fans.
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Del Potro was burning Federer alive with those forehands. It took a monumental effort to stop the Big Man. Entire day off to recover from what? Physical, Mental, Emotional? That was heartpounding and draining for fans that were watching, we have no idea how much it would have taken out of him, especially being 30 plus years old.
Murray deserved the win, but don't underestimate what that epic semi took out of Federer.
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
And Federer had to beat Del Potro, who was playing lethal tennis, and then Murray, who took Djokovic apart. That is a lot harder than what Nadal faced. Plus, he didn't have the whole crowd against him.
batz
G.O.A.T.
ruerooo
Legend
Rafa's battling, apparently, both tendinitis and tendinopathy. There's no way he can be left out of a discussion about Roger and MAndy, in a Federer-Murray match thread?
:shock:
Okay.
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