On this date in 2008, Federer hit a new low(3/22/2008):

Pheasant

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#1
11 years ago today, Federer's Winter/Spring hard court season suffered yet another huge blow when world #98 Mardy Fish absolutely obliterated Fed 6-3, 6-2 in the semis of Indian Wells. Worse yet, Mardy only got 34% of his first serves in. This was the lowest ranked opponent that Fed had lost to since world #191 Sekulov took out Fed in Indianapolis in 2000. In Miami, Fed suffered another surprising loss when Roddick took him out in the QF of Miami.

Things sure looked grim for Fed at the beginning of 2008. Kudos to Fed for bouncing back. I really thought that he was in a permanent free fall back then. Fed bounced back nicely. Which brings us to today. Maybe, we shouldn't give up on Fed just yet. He might have one more great tournament in him. Granted, he's 11 years older now. But he's Fed! We cannot give up hope for the dinosaur. Sometimes, dinosaurs make a comeback.
 
#3
Vomit-worthy match, could be Fed's worst performance in a significant (late round) encounter. He got destroyed by Nadal a few times but at least Rafa was playing great all those times; as you said, Fish got just a third of his first serves in.

Minor correction though, Federer lost to #101 Gasquet in 2005 MC QF. Of course both Gasquet and Fish played far better than their ranking at the time: Gasquet was a talented up-and-comer who shot up like a rocket that year (many thought he'd win slams, sigh), Fish was a strong player recovering from injury.
 
#8
Vomit-worthy match, could be Fed's worst performance in a significant (late round) encounter. He got destroyed by Nadal a few times but at least Rafa was playing great all those times; as you said, Fish got just a third of his first serves in.

Minor correction though, Federer lost to #101 Gasquet in 2005 MC QF. Of course both Gasquet and Fish played far better than their ranking at the time: Gasquet was a talented up-and-comer who shot up like a rocket that year (many thought he'd win slams, sigh), Fish was a strong player recovering from injury.
Fed wasn’t really destroyed by Rafa in MC and Hamburg. He played decently enough for one prominent announcer (Drysdale) to pick him to win RG 2008.
 

Lew II

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#13
You don't have to win all matches to be at peak, both because opponents change and because you can't stay focused 100% all year every day during all your career.

2018-19 Djokovic is not a worse player than in 2011, despite the losses to Bautista, Khachanov, etc.
 
#14
You don't have to win all matches to be at peak, both because opponents change and because you can't stay focused 100% all year every day during all your career.

2018-19 Djokovic is not a worse player than in 2011, despite the losses to Bautista, Khachanov, etc.
Only and only 2019 AO F, WTF 2018 SF comes within freaking miles of what 2011 was capable of.

God knows if you watched Djokovic back then .
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
#15
You don't have to win all matches to be at peak, both because opponents change and because you can't stay focused 100% all year every day during all your career.

2018-19 Djokovic is not a worse player than in 2011, despite the losses to Bautista, Khachanov, etc.
What you think is irrelevant. You believe Federer is still at his playing peak today for instance.

I honestly wish you would stop posting as it's even more vomit worthy than RF-18.
 
#16
What you think is irrelevant. You believe Federer is still at his playing peak today for instance.

I honestly wish you would stop posting as it's even more vomit worthy than RF-18.
Lew, you are so deep in their heads, messing with their brain badly, good work (y)
All they can do is insult you. You made grown people unsecure kidso_O

I noticed too that Fed fans shorten their player good game periods unwilling to accept that better players showed up and prevailed.
 

ABCD

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#18
You don't have to win all matches to be at peak, both because opponents change and because you can't stay focused 100% all year every day during all your career.

2018-19 Djokovic is not a worse player than in 2011, despite the losses to Bautista, Khachanov, etc.
You are an MVP Poster. Absolutely agree with you. Did Zverev beat peak Djokovic in final WTF? Yes he did. If he is peak, he still have ups and downs.
 
#19
Kingroger...
Even if thats truth, who is to blame for such short peak period? Why potenting peak period of 4 years when players carriers last much longer. Nobody can be at peak whole carrier.
 

Lew II

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#24
An amazing thing about Djokovic is how he dominated very distant in time periods.

timespan between 3 slam title streaks:

Djokovic WI11-AO19 (31 slams)
Federer WI05-AO07 (7 slams)
Nadal RG10-UO10 (3 slams)

timespan between 2 slam title streaks:

Djokovic WI11-AO19 (31 slams)
Federer WI04-WI09 (21 slams)
Nadal RG08-UO10 (11 slams)
 
#27
Haha, you are such HYPOCRITE.
These are some of your weak era thoughts few years ago. I think those are from only one or two pages of your posts searc. Seems there are hundreds similar.
First one is absolute treasure :eek:

If all else fails weak era is the solution?
Well, at least we have something to throw at people who protest "weak era".
Blah, blah, blah. "Weak era" crap
Nadal himself thinks the weak era talk is redundant..
"Weak era" excuse, right?
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#28
Lew, you are so deep in their heads, messing with their brain badly, good work (y)
All they can do is insult you. You made grown people unsecure kidso_O

I noticed too that Fed fans shorten their player good game periods unwilling to accept that better players showed up and prevailed.
Just like you are unwilling to accept thst Djokovic too has thrived in a weak era and still no new great players in sight for 5-6 years and counting now.
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#29
Kingroger...
Even if thats truth, who is to blame for such short peak period? Why potenting peak period of 4 years when players carriers last much longer. Nobody can be at peak whole carrier.
Why hasn't Djokovic been unable to maintain his peak for consecutive years?
 
#30
I am the one claiming that Djokovic is the GOAT as it stands. This is primarily based on 9+4+1.

You are a human without making a claim "I am a human", you just know and dont try to explain it. The GOAT should be felt as such. Most people feel this way towards Federer, they just know. The ones that defend Nadal or DJokovic make claims, try to convince you with numbers, logic which always ends being subjective.

The idea that you cant accept others people opinion and you feel the rush to argue otherwise proofs that you are motivate from the Ego. You make a stand with your position and you want to defend it in order to feel right and powerful. What my GOAT is it shouldnt affect you in any way.
 
#31
Just like you are unwilling to accept thst Djokovic too has thrived in a weak era and still no new great players in sight for 5-6 years and counting now.
Now IS weak era, I admit, hope to last 5-6 years more to comprehend Feds enormous and unseen weak era.
Why have Djokodal been unable to maintain their peaks for consecutive years?
At their peak era was much stronger fields than in Feds peak, its so obvious ;)
 

mike danny

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#32
Now IS weak era, I admit, hope to last 5-6 years more to comprehend Feds enormous and unseen weak era.

At their peak era was much stronger fields than in Feds peak, its so obvious ;)
Djokovic has enjoyed a weak era since 2014, but of course you will deny it.

Djokovic was simply not good enough to peak for consecutive years. Simple ;)
 
#34
11 years ago today, Federer's Winter/Spring hard court season suffered yet another huge blow when world #98 Mardy Fish absolutely obliterated Fed 6-3, 6-2 in the semis of Indian Wells.
Things sure looked grim for Fed at the beginning of 2008. .
In 2007 Fed lost to Canas in both Indian Wells and Miami. Like Fish, he also had a lower rank. What is the difference between 2007 and 2008 ? Its purely subjective and based on the idea that Federer ended his Grand Slam final run at AO and people wanted to "spot" the decline. Its one match, Nadal around those years lost to Youzhny 6-1 6-0.
 

mike danny

Talk Tennis Guru
#36
In 2007 Fed lost to Canas in both Indian Wells and Miami. Like Fish, he also had a lower rank. What is the difference between 2007 and 2008 ? Its purely subjective and based on the idea that Federer ended his Grand Slam final run at AO and people wanted to "spot" the decline. Its one match, Nadal around those years lost to Youzhny 6-1 6-0.
The difference between 2007 and 2008 is 2 slams, 2 masters and WTF title.

It's as objective as it could be.
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
#38
You are a human without making a claim "I am a human", you just know and dont try to explain it. The GOAT should be felt as such. Most people feel this way towards Federer, they just know. The ones that defend Nadal or DJokovic make claims, try to convince you with numbers, logic which always ends being subjective.

The idea that you cant accept others people opinion and you feel the rush to argue otherwise proofs that you are motivate from the Ego. You make a stand with your position and you want to defend it in order to feel right and powerful. What my GOAT is it shouldnt affect you in any way.
You are slightly better than the others so I will respond to your comments.

Excluding you personal observations about me, your argument is legitimate and your point of view is valid.

I was reported for trolling for claiming that Djokovic is the GOAT and the usual answer to my claim was 17>6. In my eyes Djokovic is the GOAT from 2011 as I just knew (as you said it). I will certainly respect your comments more if I see that you respond to those claiming that Federer is the GOAT as you responded to me. I don't seek to force my opinion on anyone I merely provide justification for it. Still, I am insulted all the time for having opinion I have.
 
#39
You are slightly better than the others so I will respond to your comments.

Excluding you personal observations about me, your argument is legitimate and your point of view is valid.

I was reported for trolling for claiming that Djokovic is the GOAT and the usual answer to my claim was 17>6. In my eyes Djokovic is the GOAT from 2011 as I just knew (as you said it). I will certainly respect your comments more if I see that you respond to those claiming that Federer is the GOAT as you responded to me. While I don't seek to force my opinion on anyone I merely provide justification for it. Still, I am insulted all the time for having opinion I have.
Fair enough.
 
#42
Only 5 losses out of 15 were to Nadal and Djokovic.
He had a losing record vs the top 10 overall.
2008 was significantly worse than 2007 and it did not have everything to do with Djokodal.
If I am a child I would like that story to be told somehow as: Federer was just a beautiful shooting star that lasted shortly, and than got overshadowed with not so beautiful but steady stars glowing in full shine till now....
 
#43
You don't have to win all matches to be at peak, both because opponents change and because you can't stay focused 100% all year every day during all your career.

2018-19 Djokovic is not a worse player than in 2011, despite the losses to Bautista, Khachanov, etc.
I dont quite get this. I thought you defined peak by win% vs the field, then you say you can lose more to the field and still be peak?!?
 

ABCD

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#44
I dont quite get this. I thought you defined peak by win% vs the field, then you say you can lose more to the field and still be peak?!?
Do not confuse the level of performance with the outcome of performance. It is possible that the level is higher, but the outcome is worse due to the opposition ones face. The best account of peak period is a player's self-assessment.
 
#45
Do not confuse the level of performance with the outcome of performance. It is possible that the level is higher, but the outcome is worse due to the opposition ones face. The best account of peak period is a player's self-assessment.
Is just that Lew usually uses these stats to support his view that Federer has been peak from 2003 until now, so its a bit strange the same rules doesnt apply to Djokovic.
 

ABCD

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#46
Is just that Lew usually uses these stats to support his view that Federer has been peak from 2003 until now, so its a bit strange the same rules doesnt apply to Djokovic.
I am sure that Lew II will respond to your comments. I just stated my opinion. Regarding Federer, my opinion about his peak is that I respect Federer's opinion about his peak, i.e. Federer best version by 2015 is the one in 2015. I do not know whether he rates his level from 2016-2019 higher or lower than 2015, but whatever his assessment is I agree.
 
#47
I am sure that Lew II will respond to your comments. I just stated my opinion. Regarding Federer, my opinion about his peak is that I respect Federer's opinion about his peak, i.e. Federer best version by 2015 is the one in 2015. I do not know whether he rates his level from 2016-2019 higher or lower than 2015, but whatever his assessment is I agree.
In that very same interview you are always refering to, he also says his confidence level isnt the same as it was back when he won everything. Confidence is extremely important when it comes to beating other ATG's is SFs/finals. 2014-2016 was Djokovic era, it doesnt prove he was better than Fedal overall (although some of you have decided this is the truth). It doesnt matter if you still have a killer FH if you choke on match points, thats nerves and confidence.

Btw i dont agree with Federer. First of all players are gentlemen, Roger would never say he didnt play his best to take the glory away from Djokers slam wins in 2014-2016. Second, i dont agree players are always the best to assess their own level of play.
 
#48
In that very same interview you are always refering to, he also says his confidence level isnt the same as it was back when he won everything. Confidence is extremely important when it comes to beating other ATG's is SFs/finals. 2014-2016 was Djokovic era, it doesnt prove he was better than Fedal overall (although some of you have decided this is the truth)

Btw i dont agree with Federer. First of all players are gentlemen, Roger would never say he didnt play his best to take the glory away from Djokers slam wins in 2014-2016. Second, i dont agree players are always the best to assess their own level of play.
You cant be confident when you are in best shape ever but lose most important matches.
He improved, but it wasn't enough, it opens questions, off course he wasn't confident...
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
#49
Btw i dont agree with Federer. First of all players are gentlemen, Roger would never say he didnt play his best to take the glory away from Djokers slam wins in 2014-2016.
Federer is always honest and speaks his mind. I don't think that he particularly cares about Djokovic's feelings (see example below).



Second, i dont agree players are always the best to assess their own level of play.
We can agree to disagree on this one. I believe that self-assessment of playing level is the most accurate assessment.
 
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