One can argue all the pressure is on Carlos to not be remembered as a MUG

[optic yellow]

a) This is really low effort trolling and you should be ashamed of it
b) He's already clearly established he is not a mug
c) He's going to win so it doesn't matter

 

[Pheasant]

Now what happens if Alcaraz wins? I believe that he’d be the youngest player to complete the Channel Slam in the Open Era, since Borg and Nadal were 22 when they pulled that off. He’d be the 2nd person in the Open Era to start out 4-0 in slam finals. Also, 4 slam titles at his age would put him in very rare territory. I’d probably say that he’d be in ATG territory if he can win.

Wow. Carlitos is walking the thinnest line between mug and ATG-territory in sports history.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Agreed.

 

[GabeT]

Mugs to the left of me
Mugs to the right
Stuck in the middle with you!

 

[murphywmm]

Not when the guy he's playing owns every record in tennis. That's different.

"Owns every record in tennis"?

Not quite. You forgot about:
14 RG titles (Nadal), CYGS (Laver), 3 Channel Slams (Borg), 8 Wimbledon titles (Federer), 109 singles titles (Connors)... among others

 

[NoleFam]

"Owns every record in tennis"?

Not quite. You forgot about:
14 RG titles (Nadal), CYGS (Laver), 3 Channel Slams (Borg), 8 Wimbledon titles (Federer), 109 singles titles (Connors)... among others

Let me rephrase—owns the most important records in tennis.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Let me rephrase—owns the most important records in tennis.

I guess LC is irrelevant eh?

But on a serious note... Fed and Rafa have golds.

 

[Mainad]

Wow, you win 3 Slams on 3 different surfaces and been #1 in the world all before the age of 21 and yet, according to the OP, you are in danger of being remembered as a mug???

 

[Youngheart]

This just in. Alcaraz is standing on the tallest building in London and he’s threatening to jump. The pressure of trying to avoid being a “mug” is too much. Now granted, this is unique. He’d be the first mug in history to start out 3-0 in slam finals, 8-1 in big title finals, and 12-1 in 5-set matches. But apparently, he’ll be considered a mug if he loses to some dude that just happened to win 24 slam titles.

I just hope that the rescue team gets out there in time. Alcaraz is in dire straights.

Breaking News Flash Alcaraz is thinking of jumping from London's Tower Bridge, because in his dictionary,
he can't find the definition of "MUG", and since childhood, he's been terrified of bubbling Mug Root Beer!!
He has just hired a Spanish cook to make a dish of Paellia rice with oysters, to help his fragile nerves.
Please, someone out there tell us a proper definition of a "Mug!" I need to know if it could be me!!... (or you)
------ So Be It ⚜ ------

 

[NoleFam]

I guess LC is irrelevant eh?

But on a serious note... Fed and Rafa have golds.

Murray has the record in singles though, lol.

 

[pirhaksar]

If Carlos is a mug then tennis deserves to be replaced by pickleball

 

[TheSlicer]

Wow, you win 3 Slams on 3 different surfaces and been #1 in the world all before the age of 21 and yet, according to the OP, you are in danger of being remembered as a mug???

whats funnier is that sinner is in danger of not being remembered at all

 

[ND-13]

Not doubting that Bud. At least Djokovic is still there battling for titles, even though he doesn't have to be.

He has to... Alcaraz already has more titles at 21 and he could be on track to be the one winning the elusive CYGS and perhaps most number of majors.

 

[Juice4080]

Neither one of them has much pressure tbh that's why i expect tomorrow's match to be a dandy. They will both play freely and loose so we should see the best tennis from the both of them

 

[ghostofMecir]

If Alcaraz loses tomorrow then he should just announce his retirement from tennis during the trophy presentation. He has no excuse to lose to a severely declined Djokovic who just recently had a total knee replacement. Alcaraz is young which means he must easily win every match against Djokovic. Anything less than a straight set beatdown is unforgivable.

Lol

 

[CHillTennis]

Soo, just curious honestly, what makes that of sinner Who has Lost twice here against the grandpa and one of them in straights? Carlos at least has won a final against him, the only final sinner has played against the grandpa he Lost It

That's a good question! Sinner basically lost his credibility last year by getting blown out by Djokovic at Wimbledon and then later on at the World Tour Finals.

His fans tried to claim that he was a changed man beginning in 2024, when he captured the Australian Open title. Defeating Djokovic along the way.

However, that was more or less dispelled at Wimbledon when he lost to Medvedev. A player who is well-known for not being able to live up to expectations in the later stages of grand slam events.

Alcaraz was able to beat Djokovic at Wimbledon last year, but he suffered defeats to him later on in Cincinnati and the WTF. These two loses were damaging to Alcaraz's legacy but would not deal anywhere close to the damage that losing a grand slam final to Djokovic would do. Especially, with Alcaraz being the defending champion and given his massive age advantage against Djokovic.

Novak has really nothing to lose tomorrow. But for Alcaraz, it's game over for his legacy if he doesn't win.

Sinner's legacy is already compromised.

 

[Gary Duane]

Lol

You read it here so it must be true.

 

[zagor]

Mugs to the left of me
Mugs to the right
Stuck in the middle with you!

 

[Sport]

Not when the guy he's playing owns every record in tennis. That's different.

Almost* every record. Give credit to Nadal's most titles in a particular Slam (14 RG) and Murray's 2 OG in singles all-time record.

No one's gonna ever hold every relevant record in tennis, that's impossible. Novak owns most of the relevant records, making him the GOAT, but not all.

 

[UnforcedTerror]

Dumb thread. Neither guy got nothing to prove.

DjokoKing remains the GOAT regardless of the outcome and King Karl will have a GOAT career and end up as the greatest Spaniard ever regardless of the outcome.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Pretty crazy that Carlos can ALREADY have 4 slams at his age if he wins today

 

[Sport]

Dumb thread. Neither guy got nothing to prove.

DjokoKing remains the GOAT regardless of the outcome and King Karl will have a GOAT career and end up as the greatest Spaniard ever regardless of the outcome.

Your hate toward Nadal is mindblowing. For Alcaraz to be greater than Nadal and not greater than Novak, he would need a very specific Slam count (22-23, so he has more or equal than Rafa and less than Novak).

How can you be so sure Raz is gonna win 22-23 Slams instead of less than 22 or more than 24? Can you read the future? Fact is, you can't know at this point that Alcaraz will win EXACTLY 22-23 Slams. You're simply a colossal Nadal detractor, rather than a true tennis fan.

 

[Jonas78]

Winning 3/3 slam finals at his age its safe to say he can handle pressure.

 

[RS]

I am confident Djokovic is winning today.

 

[King_ Zeglan12]

I am confident Djokovic is winning today.

Get ready to be surprised then

 

[40Deuce]

Calling him a mug* is trolling although (all) the pressure is all on him. They're at opposite ends of their careers. Djokovic has most of the records, he's made his history in tennis, anything extra is just that extra. Alcaraz in contrast is more at the beginning of an outstanding career. With all the hype you'd think he will end up with far more slams than Agassi, Mac, Edberg, Wilander, Lendl and Connors. At the moment he has 3 so a long way to go to meet his own asprirations and those of the fans and media not that hey should matter.

*Still though he's guilty of playing some mug level shows like he did against Medvedev in the first set a day or 2 ago.

 

[JFK_32]

I think some guys here who defend carlos dont understand some things and how it works. Last year djokovic play much much better, won 3 of 4 slams. Now djokovic is under his good form, he freshly after surgery. Yeah he makes final, but his opponents was to afraid to challenge him. On the other side, Alcaraz today is much better player than year before, much more experience, better handle pressure. If he won in 5 sets last year against good djokovic, today he must win against much weaker djokovic than one year ago. Its very easy. There is no any excuses for Alcaraz if he would lost today. It will be shameful af. Djokovic's uniqueness and goatness has no importance in today's match. Everything in carlito hands

 

[nighthawkrr]

No, being a 3 time slam champion means he's close to his prime if not in prime and he should have no excuse to lose to a 37 year old player.

It’s Novak not some random. Federer was still 2nd best on grass at 38. LeBron is still a top player and he’s older and plays a sport more reliant in athleticism

 

[helterskelter]

Okay, so it would be a bad look for Calf to lose today, if he hopes to be one of the goats of the game.

What sort of look would it be if he clobbered Djokovic?

It took a Connors to clobber the old Rosewall, a McEnroe to clobber the old Connors, and a Sampras to clobber the prematurely slow Becker.

 

[nighthawkrr]

Okay, so it would be a bad look for Calf to lose today, if he hopes to be one of the goats of the game.

What sort of look would it be if he clobbered Djokovic?

It took a Connors to clobber the old Rosewall, a McEnroe to clobber the old Connors, and a Sampras to clobber the prematurely slow Becker.

A goat kind.

 

[SonnyT]

Yeah, he's a disastrous mug!

 

[optic yellow]

a) This is really low effort trolling and you should be ashamed of it
b) He's already clearly established he is not a mug
c) He's going to win so it doesn't matter

 

[JFK_32]

I think some guys here who defend carlos dont understand some things and how it works. Last year djokovic play much much better, won 3 of 4 slams. Now djokovic is under his good form, he freshly after surgery. Yeah he makes final, but his opponents was to afraid to challenge him. On the other side, Alcaraz today is much better player than year before, much more experience, better handle pressure. If he won in 5 sets last year against good djokovic, today he must win against much weaker djokovic than one year ago. Its very easy. There is no any excuses for Alcaraz if he would lost today. It will be shameful af. Djokovic's uniqueness and goatness has no importance in today's match. Everything in carlito hands

Like i said

 

[FeroBango]

Bro was waiting for a rare Alcaraz loss this summer every match he played it seems. Sad soul.