One Hand Backhand - Waht Force to Start Forward Swing?
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Chas Tennis
G.O.A.T.
2024 WTA player with 1HBH, Diane Parry.
Is her amount of 'chest press' optimized?
Is her amount of 'chest press' optimized?
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pencilcheck
Hall of Fame
One hand backhand is probably the most difficult shot to understand besides serve because the entry threshold is so high.
The force isn't shoulder, isn't chest, isn't arm. The force is actually hips, and the muscle right on the top of thigh and that's it.
To understand how to use it takes a lot of understanding of what doesn't work.
I think I have mastered it, it feels so good hitting like this
The force isn't shoulder, isn't chest, isn't arm. The force is actually hips, and the muscle right on the top of thigh and that's it.
To understand how to use it takes a lot of understanding of what doesn't work.
I think I have mastered it, it feels so good hitting like this
ballmachineguy
Hall of Fame
Can you hit a topspin lob on the bh side doing this?One hand backhand is probably the most difficult shot to understand besides serve because the entry threshold is so high.
The force isn't shoulder, isn't chest, isn't arm. The force is actually hips, and the muscle right on the top of thigh and that's it.
To understand how to use it takes a lot of understanding of what doesn't work.
I think I have mastered it, it feels so good hitting like this
Chas Tennis
G.O.A.T.
One hand backhand is probably the most difficult shot to understand besides serve because the entry threshold is so high.
The force isn't shoulder, isn't chest, isn't arm. The force is actually hips, and the muscle right on the top of thigh and that's it.
To understand how to use it takes a lot of understanding of what doesn't work.
I think I have mastered it, it feels so good hitting like this
I look at high speed videos of ATP players and Justine Henin for the 1HBH. I have presented a lot of evidence here and identified many other sub-motions used by the majority of current 1HBHs in the ATP. You can look at the videos I showed and described and disagree or agree and point out in the videos, what you see.
I don't say where the forces come from, all the body parts involved, unless there is evidence, as there is with the 'chest press'. The upper arm (Humerus) initially accelerates in sync with the chest or a line between the 2 shoulders.
'chest press'
There are forces there and at many other places. There are also forces in the trunk that I cannot see well in videos. I just say "twist" and "untwist". And forces to the hip joints from the leg bones. And forces in the length of the legs in muscles to push at the hip joints. Forces are at many joints, there are 600 muscles in the body and a few of them can be seen doing their thing, and many others cannot be easily seen. Separation deals with the trunk twisting and untwisting and its forces and the stretch shorten cycle. If you look at a tennis tournament, you will see that the hips turn some and the line between the 2 shoulders turns more and faster, that's separation. It's untwisting of the trunk. When the first phase happens, the shoulder mass and upper arm are accelerated before the shoulder joint itself has been used, to add acceleration to the upper arm, two phase stroke....
If you look at Federer's 1HBH analysis, he does not use the chest press because you can see air between his upper arm and chest at a much earlier time. Posted. F. Lopez is the same. When I first viewed Lopez, I was surprised that he hit more backhand slices than drives. This was well over 5 years ago and he may have changed more recently.
If the uppermost body were accelerated enough & longer by the trunk untwisting, the upper arm would still be pressed by the chest.
In fact, the forehand also uses the uppermost body forces first rather than the shoulder joint, which is used later before impact. Djokovic shows 2 phases in his forehand drive if you look at his video from the side. Consider the line between his 2 shoulders and the line of the upper arm at his shoulder joint and watch what starts it forward and later the shoulder joint motion. Both 1HBH drives and forehand drives use a two phase use of muscles to accelerate the racket mainly 1) the trunk untwisting (plus hip turn, plus legs pushing) and then 2) the shoulder joint is used.
The running foot can be planted and that can be used to suddenly slow/stop one side of the body and cause the hips to rapidly turn - not much muscle use....... It seems reasonable if your are observing the videos presented as you read each point of what I said above. Gasquet ran and appeared to plant his foot for body rotation for a 1HBH.
You can think about what I said above and check it out in high speed videos. Criticize each video observation.
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Chas Tennis
G.O.A.T.
At 14:15 the instructor hits some backhands. He appears to use a chest press. His backhand is different than the ATP pros in that he keeps his racket shaft level and to lower the racket head for the ball height, he angles his hitting arm down. Then the hand is too close to the two rotation axes and he loses racket head speed.
This is the same flaw with poster Mojo28 in this thread. I compared Mojo28 to Gasquet in individual frames, so you can compare the sub-motions of Gasquet to those of Mojo28. Differences stand out.(and you don't have to know biomechanics.) Pros tilt the racket shaft to lower the racket head and lower their hitting arms less. This keeps the racket head farther away from the 2 rotation axes in use. One axis is through the spine and the second axis is through the shoulder joint. This illustrates the reason for comparing high speed videos side-by-side, because the differences stand out.
Comparison Mojo28 1HBH to Gasquet's side-by-side.
One Hand Backhand - Waht Force to Start Forward Swing?
On the one-handed versus two-handed. Robert Lansdorp ended the discussion when he said I always ask the kid which one he wants to hit. He taught Pete the one-hander even though his personal opinion was that he had a great two-hander. I've written before that watching a lot of ex college...
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Find videos and look at how the one hand backhand ATP players lower their rackets. You cannot miss that they tilt the racket shafts down. This 1HBH lowering sub-motion was covered completely in this thread. See post #99 with video below.
See racket lowering at 1:07.
I have not studied the 2 hand backhand. But I did note that Djokovic also tilted the racket shaft down to lower on a 2HBH that I viewed.
Good project for a few interested readers - Look at one and two hand backhands hitting low balls in the ATP. How do they lower their rackets for low balls when they drive? Tilt them or keep the racket shaft parallel to the ground?
When you look at the best pro techniques, you see the best known sub-motions in detail for 2024. Once you see the sub-motion, you always see it!
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Jono123
Professional
Says no OHBH player ever .
Federer had the best example of a OHBH IMO. Not only was it beautiful to watch but consistent, powerful and effective.
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