one handers - analyze my vid clip

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
asdf.wmv

i shot this a few months ago. i plan on taking some new footage of my strokes later on today. dont mind the blue screen, i accidently hit capture way too fast.
 

Potito

New User
It seems to be hitting too much with your arm. The wrist doesn't seem firm at contact, but with this format of file I can't see this frame by frame. In my opinion you should hit more with your shoulder rotation. Take racquet more
back in preparation and move forward with your shoulder, hitting in front with a low to high swing, and keep your wrist firm at the contact. I hope it helps.
 

AngeloDS

Hall of Fame
Really bad footwork. Take a few more little steps right before your setup. Also, you need to spread eagle. Your other arm is just by your side, you need to have that moving as well. As mentioned above, you need to rotate your upper body. I think what might help you is close your stance a little more, so you're forced to use your upper body when you hit (rotating shoulders, rotating mid section). So you're making your body more sideways than forward. The problem with most people is that they open to quickly, so when you do change that make sure you're not opening up too quickly. Or that they rotate their upper body too much and causes inconsistancy, and the ball to have less control.

The key to power on the one-handed backhand is timing. Also good knee bend, and you have fairly good knee bend. Holding your stance. On the take back make it coiled, so when you uncoil you get a little more racquet speed. It seems like you're uncoiled, throughout the shot.
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
Potito said:
It seems to be hitting too much with your arm. The wrist doesn't seem firm at contact, but with this format of file I can't see this frame by frame. In my opinion you should hit more with your shoulder rotation. Take racquet more
back in preparation and move forward with your shoulder, hitting in front with a low to high swing, and keep your wrist firm at the contact. I hope it helps.
yeah i noticed i dont have enough shoulder rotation when taking the racquet back.
 

supersmash

Semi-Pro
It seems as if you intentionally stopped your followthrough. When I followthrough, my right arm goes past my shoulder kinda.
 

mistapooh

Semi-Pro
Loosen up, pretend you arm is like a whip. Really, don't worry about getting the ball in or consistent when you practice this, just try to get loose first.
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
i was incorporating more shoulder turn into my bh today and lots of balls were sailing. it'll take some time to get used to, but hopefully the work will pay off.
 

Rickson

G.O.A.T.
It looks kind of stiff and you could use a little more knee bend. If you showed a few more backhands instead of just one, you might get a better analysis because it's hard to judge from that one backhand.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
ShooterMcMarco said:
asdf.wmv

i shot this a few months ago. i plan on taking some new footage of my strokes later on today. dont mind the blue screen, i accidently hit capture way too fast.
Shooter,

It is very difficult to give you an accurate analysis on your backhand with one example and the format in wmf.

I wish all of you would put this in QuickTime. QuickTime is way better the Windows Media Player and the controls for me to toggle or isolate sections are much better.

But here is what I see on this one example:

1. Your Movement: You are moving very parallel to the baseline. What happens when you get a wide ball, is you are actually moving further away from the ball. Try arcing around the baseline. So on this wide ball you would actually sort come at it on a diagonal. It is much like how you return a aerve except the arcing is more subtle. What this will do is help you go forward more into the contact zone. You will break the habit of moving parallel to the baseline.

2. Your hitting hand: Given this one example, I really liked it. Excellent job in reducing the movement of your hand and still getting power in your forward swing. Keep working on the kinetic chain to supply your energy. The kinetic chain functions well with bent knees (it frees the energy). The hips also play a major role for the onehander to accelerate the arm. With your small hand movement, learning to "snap" or accelerate your back hip towards the contact zone and let the upper body rotate from it, you will get more pop. It is a subtle move and is a combination of art and skill. So practice it on a slow feed and build from there.

3. I understand you may be the player that has learned to rotate the forearm to hit the ball. I dont mind this so much, I usually introduce this one I know the play knows how to go through the ball. My emphasis is maintaining the big L and contact to the followthrough so when you look up, you can see the sky through your strings. This to me is an extremely important aspect to learn for the onehander. First, it teaches you how to drive the ball. Second, it teaches you how topspin can be generated through a well timed lift as your center of gravity rises.

4. If this your footspeed and footwork, you do need work here. Walking to the ball is not happening. Being flat footed and sort of "clumping" around for the ball is what I do now. But I am 46, had my time in the sun, body aches, dont play as much, and I am not as young as you.

Move your feet! Get on your toes! You need a kick in the pants!

:( my gosh, you are hitting one of the most beautiful shots in all sports, show it! The onehanded backhand requires a good shifting and movement of the feet. You cant hit a onehander today like yesterday when they sort of waltzed around on the court.

Today, you have twohanders out there that would love to show you why the twohander is a better stroke. Get lower to the ground, move like a cat, and use your legs to power through the ball. You are not using your legs at all except to "show up". :)

With your stroke and the ball that was hit to you, never wait for it! That ball should have been aggressively hit.

:( and your recovery? What, huh? I was about to nickname you Grandpa Shooter.

Learn to really come through the ball with your weight OVER your front foot. I should see the leg almost straight after contact and in your followthrough out to target.

Take a trip down onehander lane and notice the effort that goes into the loading of the front leg/foot. Evvy did an outstanding job with putting together these shots. Look at the legs and how hard at work they are on EVERY player!

http://www.imagesbyevvy.com/tennisforall/poetry.htm

There is a lot of "action" going on. Look at Sampras simply rise off the ground from his upward momentum.

I simply need to see more from you. You should get a weight program, a track program, and jump rope to strengthen those legs. You need to be an animal out there. More effort needs to come from your lower body. It is up to you if you want to go to work.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
ShooterMcMarco said:
asdf.wmv

i shot this a few months ago. i plan on taking some new footage of my strokes later on today. dont mind the blue screen, i accidently hit capture way too fast.
Shooter,

It is very difficult to give you an accurate analysis on your backhand with one example and the format in wmf.

I wish all of you would put this in QuickTime. QuickTime is way better the Windows Media Player and the controls for me to toggle or isolate sections are much better.

But here is what I see on this one example:

1. Your Movement: You are moving very parallel to the baseline. What happens when you get a wide ball, is you are actually moving further away from the ball. Try arcing around the baseline. So on this wide ball you would actually sort come at it on a diagonal. It is much like how you return a aerve except the arcing is more subtle. What this will do is help you go forward more into the contact zone. You will break the habit of moving parallel to the baseline.

2. Your hitting hand: Given this one example, I really liked it. Excellent job in reducing the movement of your hand and still getting power in your forward swing. Keep working on the kinetic chain to supply your energy. The kinetic chain functions well with bent knees (it frees the energy). The hips also play a major role for the onehander to accelerate the arm. With your small hand movement, learning to "snap" or accelerate your back hip towards the contact zone and let the upper body rotate from it, you will get more pop. It is a subtle move and is a combination of art and skill. So practice it on a slow feed and build from there.

3. I understand you may be the player that has learned to rotate the forearm to hit the ball. I dont mind this so much, but I usually introduce this once I know the player knows how to go through the ball. Many times players with a strong upward forearm rotation end up fanning at the ball expecially if they do not generate enough thrust from the lower body. My emphasis is to maintain the big L before contact to the followthrough so when you look up, you can see the sky through your strings. This to me is an extremely important aspect to learn for the onehander. First, it teaches you how to drive the ball. Second, it teaches you how topspin can be generated through a well-timed lift as your center of gravity rises.

4. If this your footspeed and footwork, you do need work here. Walking to the ball is not happening. Being flat footed and sort of "clumping" around for the ball is what I do now. But I am 46, had my time in the sun, body aches, dont play as much, and I am not as young as you.

Move your feet! Get on your toes! You need a kick in the pants!

:( my gosh, you are hitting one of the most beautiful shots in all sports, show it! The onehanded backhand requires a good shifting and movement of the feet. You cant hit a onehander today like yesterday when they sort of waltzed around on the court.

Today, you have twohanders out there that would love to show you why the twohander is a better stroke. Get lower to the ground, move like a cat, and use your legs to power through the ball. You are not using your legs at all except to help you get out of your car and carry your bag to the court.

With your stroke and the ball that was hit to you, never wait for it! That ball should have been aggressively hit.

:( and your recovery? What, huh? I was about to nickname you Grandpa Shooter.

Learn to really come through the ball with your weight OVER your front foot. I should see the leg almost straight after contact and in your followthrough out to target.

:D Take a trip down onehander lane and notice the effort that goes into the loading of the front leg/foot. Evvy did an outstanding job with putting together these shots. Look at the legs and how hard at work they are on EVERY player!

http://www.imagesbyevvy.com/tennisforall/poetry.htm

There is a lot of "action" going on. Look at Sampras simply rise off the ground from his upward momentum.

I simply need to see more from you. You should get a weight program, a track program, and jump rope to strengthen those legs. You need to be an animal out there. More effort needs to come from your lower body. It is up to you if you want to go to work.
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
thanks for your time writing that long analysis bungalo, i appreciate it. i dont have software to convert my file into a quicktime format, i just used the windows movie maker to do it. i need to find better software (preferably freeware or shareware).

ill work on those things you mentioned and try to improve my footwork first. i taught myself how to hit the one hander (it obviously shows :| ) so it really helps to get feedback from skilled players. thank you all for giving me advice, now its time for me to start applying :mrgreen:
 
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dbcontrol

Guest
It seems to me that you are far to rigid and jerky in the swing: just let it flow!
Also your takeback should probably come up higher, again to compliment the idea of a flowing swing, using gravity to full effect. The last thing which i can comment on is you footwork. As you move, you are actually moving sideways and parallel to the baseline as opposed to stepping into the court and going through the line of the ball. Hope this helps!
 

shindemac

Hall of Fame
This has been mentioned before, but you should move up to the ball and not just sideways. You are hitting the ball on the fall which is not aggressive at all. Move up and hit it at the peak or on the rise. You will never take control of a point if you don't move up for the short ball.

As for the rest of your stroke, heed the suggestions mentioned. It looks like power is only being generated from your arm. Use the rest of your body like your legs, hips, and shoulder rotation. Just like the serve, use the kinetic chain to generate your power.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
ShooterMcMarco said:
thanks for your time writing that long analysis bungalo, i appreciate it. i dont have software to convert my file into a quicktime format, i just used the windows movie maker to do it. i need to find better software (preferably freeware or shareware).

ill work on those things you mentioned and try to improve my footwork first. i taught myself how to hit the one hander (it obviously shows :| ) so it really helps to get feedback from skilled players. thanks all for giving me advice, now its time for me to start applying :mrgreen:
If you taught yourself how to hit a onehander you did an outstanding job. Keeping your hitting hand close to the body and not moving it much except for some natural movement from the shoulder is great. You can really build from here.

Now, the hard part comes. The feet. The feet will require some blood, sweat, and tears. Hexagon drills, over-the-box shuffle drills, knee jumps, butt kicks, suicide drills, sprints, stairs, jump rope, simulating good footwork patterns. It is boring, fatiguing, hard, frustrating, and most important, extremely rewarding!
 

c10

Rookie
3 main points you are missing are:
1- put your body weight into the ball, which will make your left leg go forward.
2- cover the ball with the racquet, watch federer backhand he is the only player who can do this perfectly
3- rotate your body, you dont have to look at the ball as if it was in front of you, you have to almost give your back to your oponent, watch guga he does this perfectly

Bye
 
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