One match to win the WTF and Year End #1: Has this ever happened before ?

TMF

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While we all know that the grand slam final, especially Wimbledon is the biggest match in tennis. However this year WTF final is arguably as big assuming both Nole and Murray makes the final. One win away to claim the 5th biggest tournament of the year and the Year End No. 1 is a perfect ending to the year.
 

timnz

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While we all know that the grand slam final, especially Wimbledon is the biggest match in tennis. However this year WTF final is arguably as big assuming both Nole and Murray makes the final. One win away to claim the 5th biggest tournament of the year and the Year End No. 1 is a perfect ending to the year.
Yes, if they both get to the final, it will be interesting to see how they handle the pressure of that match with so much riding on it.
 
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Just to add to that, has any combination ever played all slam finals and the WTF? This could be the first time we witness it...
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
It has come down to that final match recently though; Roger dropping to #3 last season due to not winning over Nole! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
Pretty sure this happened in 2012 with Novak and Roger???
Novak was number 1 after some RR wins I believe, the final was only about the title
No, Djokovic had locked up the YE #1 before the WTF began:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/atp-awards-2012-winners (this is dated November 5th, 2012)

You can also calculate this from the rankings. Djokovic ended 2012 with 12920 points (undefeated WTF champ) while Federer ended up with 10265 (runner up with 2-1 RR record)
This means Djokovic would have 11420 points if he went 0-3 in RR (12920-1500). Fed at best could have gotten to 10965 (10265+700).

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/rankings/singles?rankDate=2012-11-12
 

Fiero425

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I wasn't sure what you meant, but I assume you mean, has there ever been a situation where two players have met in all four slam finals and the WTF final during their careers?

In which case, yes: Djokovic and Nadal.
People always thought Borg/McEnroe, Connors/Borg, Lendl/McEnroe, Laver/Rosewall, Sampras/Agassi, and a few others were THE competitive final "to see!" I don't think any of them equal the Nadal/ Djokovic rivalry and finals! The FO saved it from being more one-sided IMO with Rafa winning all but one of the matches in Paris! They've met the most and only in the last couple years has it started being in Nole's favor; competitively & overall record-wise! Federer should be thanking his stars that Nole was around to stop Rafa from dominating for years, obliterating the record books & his legacy! Roger only had the #'s in his favor while being Nadal's pigeon on just about every surface! :rolleyes:
 
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Just to add to that, has any combination ever played all slam finals and the WTF? This could be the first time we witness it...
Stan in The Big Apple upset that possibility.
 

buscemi

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The closest case would seem to be 1977, when Connors beat Borg in the WTF finals and finished #1, with Borg ending the year at #3. But #1-#3 was really close, with Connors having no Major titles but two Major finals and wins at WTF and the WCT finals, Vilas having the French and U.S. Open titles, and Borg having the Wimbledon title. I don't think a Borg win in the WTF finals would have changed the year-end #1, but it probably would have been close.

2000 was a close call, but Agassi beat Safin in the SF. Otherwise, I think Kuerten-Safin in the final would have determined year-end #1.

Another close one was 1973. Newcombe had won the Australian Open and the U.S. Open but otherwise had just an okay year. Nastase had won just the French Open but had a really good year outside the Majors. Nastase made the WTF finals, and Newcombe was up 5-3 on Okker in the deciding set of his SF. He hit an overhead to reach match point but injured himself in the process. Newk retired, saying, "When I went up for the smash at deuce in the last game, it went completely. I could have played one more point hoping to hit an ace but knew that I could not play tomorrow." Nastase ended up beating Okker in the final to finish year-end #1, with Newcombe at #2. I'm guessing that a Newcombe win over Nastase in the final would have switched the order, but I'm not sure.
 

Goosehead

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2000 was close..

i think Kuerten had to win the final to be world no1, if he had lost the final then safin (who lost already) would've been no1.

can't be arsed to check though.
 

newpball

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While we all know that the grand slam final, especially Wimbledon is the biggest match in tennis. However this year WTF final is arguably as big assuming both Nole and Murray makes the final. One win away to claim the 5th biggest tournament of the year and the Year End No. 1 is a perfect ending to the year.
Too good to be true for Tennis Marketing.

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tacou

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Just to add to that, has any combination ever played all slam finals and the WTF? This could be the first time we witness it...
Stan in The Big Apple upset that possibility.
In fairness it was actually Nishikori who caused the upset by beating Murray in the QF.
Confused..Murray/Djokovic played in 2012 US Open final. If you're talking about this season, Novak did not reach the Wimbledon final.
 
No, it has never come down to the final match between World Number 1 and 2 for all the stakes. Some have needed to win the tournament to be number 1, but were never competing against their rival for it.
 
Confused..Murray/Djokovic played in 2012 US Open final. If you're talking about this season, Novak did not reach the Wimbledon final.
Think he was talking about ever. Only other combination to have played all slam finals and WTF is Djokovic and Nadal. I may be wrong here, but I think they are the only other combination to have played all slam finals.
 
Confused..Murray/Djokovic played in 2012 US Open final. If you're talking about this season, Novak did not reach the Wimbledon final.
They have played all slam finals against each other in the past and have the potential to play WTF if both win today.
 

Fiero425

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Fair point....funny how such things can just be assumed!
With Nole playing his best last season, it didn't take much to assume he would finish the season strong taking the last 2 (6) Masters events, Beijing, and the WTF! We've only been a little stymied since the FO where he just hasn't seemed to be "with it!" He even skipped his favorite tourney in China; never losing except if not playing! He still has a chance to reclaim and hold onto his #1 ranking; getting every break possible at the YEC! If he doesn't do it, he might be just "totally done" IMO! Even his pet major "down under" might see him in jeopardy of not making it to the final! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Maybe the biggest single match in tennis history.
For Murray maybe! I've lived too long and seen well over 40 years of matches to ever elevate a YEC final as anything historic; even if it decides #1! Being this close in points, they'll jockey back and forth until one breaks ahead with an extra major win and Masters! Only time will tell; but my $$'s on Nole! It would look pretty bad in the grand scheme of things to have an "also-ran" like Murray taking over #1 for more than a few minutes with ATG's still competing! Nole has to do Fedalovic proud by snatching back the top spot for tennis history's sake if there is any to have! It only becomes something historic in Nole's hand since Andy, like Stan and Cilic decided to wait until the end of their careers to have their breakthroughs! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 
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Chadillac

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For Murray maybe! I've lived too long and seen well over 40 years of matches to ever elevate a YEC final as anything historic; even if it decides #1! Being this close in points, they'll jockey back and forth until one breaks ahead with an extra major win and Masters! Only time will tell; but my $$'s on Nole! It would look pretty bad in the grand scheme of things to have an "also-ran" like Murray taking over #1 for more than a few minutes with ATG's still competing! Nole has to do Fedalovic proud by snatching back the top spot for tennis history's sake if there is any to have! It only becomes something historic in Nole's hand since Andy, like Stan and Cilic decided to wait until the end of their careers to have their breakthroughs! :rolleyes: :p ;)
Last match of the year, decides who gets #1. Its not like a gs final where there is time, do or die. Murray maybe tired, but that just gives him another thing to whine about then magically overcome.

If he loses the first set he will like smack his quads or something, so the fans know for a fact, thats why he lost it.
 

Fiero425

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Last match of the year, decides who gets #1. Its not like a gs final where there is time, do or die. Murray maybe tired, but that just gives him another thing to whine about then magically overcome.

If he loses the first set he will like smack his quads or something, so the fans know for a fact, thats why he lost it.
They've already braced us; his long match with Kei and of course the fact he's on his 2nd 22 match winning streak this season! It's a perfect storm to blow another chance at immortality! I think Nole's ready and should win this in "straights!" We can only hope! :rolleyes: :p ;)
 
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