One of the biggest upsets in the sports history

[Fabresque]

4x slam champion who’s won 2 slams this year just got dumped out in the 2R by the World No. 74.

This was his only win against a top 10 player in a slam ever.

He played amazing we shouldn’t take that away from him.

Congrats Botic!

 

[TheSlicer]

Now a thread with the matches the Big 3 Lost in early rounds

 

[Airspun]

What happened

 

[tennisjedi]

This is Alcaraz's Rosol moment.

 

[Fabresque]

What happened

0 IQ tennis from Carlos and Botic played the match of his life.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Maybe he just isn't as great as some have thought. Agassi lost many early rounds too.

 

[TheSlicer]

This is Alcaraz's Rosol moment.

Only that rafa wasnt precisely 21 there

 

[naylor73]

Lol Botic is extremely quick and that was always going to make this match a challenge. Bamoshhh had no answers.

 

[TheSlicer]

Maybe he just isn't as great as some have thought. Agassi lost many early rounds too.

Who didnt at his age?, yeah he Lost bad but everybody should stop acting as if this was a career defining moment, hes just not gonna win every slam of make every final rounds, yet

 

[duaneeo]

It's nowhere near "one of the biggest upsets in the sports history". It's perhaps the biggest upset since the IE.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Maybe he just isn't as great as some have thought. Agassi lost many early rounds too.

After shocking Olympic loss to huge underdog Djoker, Raz said Monfils match was his worst ever. Now this 2R shocker.
Three out of four subpar matches?
Did Djoker take his soul?

 

[NoleFam]

Amazing performance.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Raz is 21 dude

It's ok it happens

It's not one of the biggest upsets. This year he played 4 finals in total. Luckily 2 of them were in slam finals and he won 1 of them in down 2 sets to 1

Raz is not unbeatable he is beatable

 

[Lleytonstation]

Who didnt at his age?, yeah he Lost bad but everybody should stop acting as if this was a career defining moment, hes just not gonna win every slam of make every final rounds, yet

Hype comes with expectations.

Hopefully this has lowered that hype.

 

[MeatTornado]

This isn't Rafa at Roland Garros

It's not even one of the biggest upsets we've seen in tennis, let alone all of sports.

 

[nolefam_2024]

This isn't Rafa at Roland Garros

It's not even one of the biggest upsets we've seen in tennis, let alone all of sports.

Exactly

 

[TheSlicer]

Hype comes with expectations.

Hopefully this has lowered that hype.

Expectations from people Who dont understand the sport, not from me, i feel exactly the same about Alcaraz after this match, i know what player he is, what he Will acomplish its impossible to know, and for that reason and for others, i dont care either

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

It's nowhere near "one of the biggest upsets in the sports history". It's perhaps the biggest upset since the IE.

What is IE?

 

[Lleytonstation]

Expectations from people Who dont understand the sport, not from me, i feel exactly the same about Alcaraz after this match, i know what player he is, what he Will acomplish its impossible to know, and for that reason and for others, i dont care either

I feel the same as well. An Agassi type talent and career. Pretty amazing to have.

 

[TheSlicer]

I feel the same as well. An Agassi type talent and career. Pretty amazing to have.

Agassi was more talented from the baseline and on hardcourts, the rest of the Game, Carlos is in another league imo, but in todays tennis, touch skills and net game are not as important as before

 

[McGradey]

Van de Zandschulp's forehand has slight shades of that Robin Soderling slap to it. Another famous Spaniard falls foul of the slaphand.

 

[Clay lover]

Some people who overreact at this are the types who purposely overrated him so that they can put him down afterwards.

He has always been a more risk-taking, up-and-down kinda player and it's also been becoming apparent that HC is his relative weakness despite his slam here.

He can definitely wise up, or continue to play the same, but I won't be surprised at upsets either way as his game by default isn't the consistent one we expect from Djoker or the big three who we've been spoiled with.

And holding him to big 3 standards isn't fair in the first place. I don't care who hypes him that way but it's not his fault.

 

[vokazu]

Most important question is, what's his racquet and string specs?????

 

[TheSlicer]

Most important question is, what's his racquet and string specs?????

Exactly, he just needs a heavier racquet, he might have been 4g of lead away of winning uso

 

[vokazu]

Exactly, he just needs a heavier racquet, he might have been 4g of lead away of winning uso

He might already have led tape under the bumper guard.

 

[TheSlicer]

He might already have led tape under the bumper guard.

Oh you mean botic, yeah now i need to know his specs

 

[vokazu]

That look is a cold silent killer look. Very intimidating.

 

[Torben]

This is Alcaraz's Rosol moment.

It could also be his Philip Kohlschreiber or Dennis Istomin moment as well.

 

[Mark-Touch]

Most important question is, what's his racquet and string specs?????

Zand's or Alcaraz's?

 

[jm1980]

Federer at age 21 had zero Slams and lost to one Luis Horna in the first round of the French Open

 

[vokazu]

Zand's or Alcaraz's?

The winner of the match of course!!!!

 

[KingCarlitos]

Maybe he just isn't as great as some have thought. Agassi lost many early rounds too.

So did Rafa, Especially in the 2010s.

 

[LuckyR]

Ok, first of all I'm a big Carlitos fan. And Botic played really well in the sense he made low percentage shots repeatedly during the match, but to be honest, those few "miracle shots" weren't numerous enough to determine the outcome of the match. Basically Botic didn't miss and Carlos was missing low percentage shots that he routinely makes. The upshot is Carlos has no problem solving skills or has no awareness of what's happening in the match or has no plan B. Usually a poor Mental Game means lack of focus or grit, in his case poor problem solving. Yikes. Still a fan, but Janik is looking better and better.

 

[jm1980]

Some people who overreact at this are the types who purposely overrated him so that they can put him down afterwards.

He has always been a more risk-taking, up-and-down kinda player and it's also been becoming apparent that HC is his relative weakness despite his slam here.

He can definitely wise up, or continue to play the same, but I won't be surprised at upsets either way as his game by default isn't the consistent one we expect from Djoker or the big three who we've been spoiled with.

And holding him to big 3 standards isn't fair in the first place. I don't care who hypes him that way but it's not his fault.

He's ahead of the Big 3, except maybe Rafa.

At his current age, Federer had no Slams and Djokovic had one.

Also none of the Big 3 had been ranked #1 yet

 

[KingCarlitos]

Ok, first of all I'm a big Carlitos fan. And Botic played really well in the sense he made low percentage shots repeatedly during the match, but to be honest, those few "miracle shots" weren't numerous enough to determine the outcome of the match. Basically Botic didn't miss and Carlos was missing low percentage shots that he routinely makes. The upshot is Carlos has no problem solving skills or has no awareness of what's happening in the match or has no plan B. Usually a poor Mental Game means lack of focus or grit, in his case poor problem solving. Yikes. Still a fan, but Janik is looking better and better.

More Enhanced and More Enhanced.

 

[KingCarlitos]

He's ahead of the Big 3, except maybe Rafa.

At his current age, Federer had no Slams and Djokovic had one.

Also none of the Big 3 had been ranked #1 yet

That’s because Fed was a late bloomer and when he got #1 he blocked the younger other two.

 

[norcal]

Carlos was sick, he needed some anti-botics.

 

[iceman_dl6]

The winner of the match of course!!!!

Botic’s frame is a Pure Aero 100, don’t know which generation though, nor the strings

 

[Lleytonstation]

So did Rafa, Especially in the 2010s.

Rafa had 9 slams by then.

This is more of a constant exposure.

 

[Lleytonstation]

He's ahead of the Big 3, except maybe Rafa.

At his current age, Federer had no Slams and Djokovic had one.

Also none of the Big 3 had been ranked #1 yet

...and?

He will be lucky to reach Agassi level.

 

[Clay lover]

He's ahead of the Big 3, except maybe Rafa.

At his current age, Federer had no Slams and Djokovic had one.

Also none of the Big 3 had been ranked #1 yet

I'm not saying he's not at his current pace.

I'm just saying holding anyone to the standard of the big three and then being disappointed afterwards is unfair to him.

We'll see about what he achieves but I sure wouldn't pretend to be disappointed if he doesn't have their numbers.

 

[KingCarlitos]

...and?

He will be lucky to reach Agassi level.

He is half way there at 21 lol when Agassi won his first slam…

 

[Lleytonstation]

I'm not saying he's not at his current pace.

I'm just saying holding anyone to the standard of the big three and then being disappointed afterwards is unfair to him.

We'll see about what he achieves but I sure wouldn't pretend to be disappointed if he doesn't have their numbers.

No one should be upset or surprised by this loss.

He will go on to be one of the 10 best ever and might win 8 slams. That is insane.

 

[KingCarlitos]

The reactivity of the this forum is crazy, One match doesn’t derail Alcaraz’s career, Nobody should expect him to reach Big Three numbers but I admit I would be disappointed If he doesn’t reach double digit Borg/Sampras numbers.

 

[jm1980]

...and?

He will be lucky to reach Agassi level.

I'm saying we don't know yet. Fed had his fair share of bad losses at Raz' current age

 

[Lleytonstation]

He is half way there at 21 lol when Agassi won his first slam…

Early bloomer at the right time. Djoker had 1 at like 24. Winning early doesn't mean anything.

He had a nice run. But I think 10 is max.

 

[KingCarlitos]

Before Olympics many claimed Alcaraz to be on GOAT trajectory, Now three losses later they are claiming he won’t reach Agassi numbers?

 

[Lleytonstation]

I'm saying we don't know yet. Fed had his fair share of bad losses at Raz' current age

But he was not Fed by then. Now who knows, maybe he has another 2 gears. Doubtful but who knows.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Before Olympics many claimed Alcaraz to be on GOAT trajectory, Now three losses later they are claiming he won’t reach Agassi numbers?

Nothing wrong with Agassi numbers. Carlos will be lucky to get that.

But maybe that shows how ridiculous those projections were.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

I'm not saying he's not at his current pace.

I'm just saying holding anyone to the standard of the big three and then being disappointed afterwards is unfair to him.

We'll see about what he achieves but I sure wouldn't pretend to be disappointed if he doesn't have their numbers.

Age is a mitigating factor only when you are not yet established.
Once you have won 4 Majors there are certain expectations. Age goes out the window.
Shocking Olympic upset to injured old Djoker, loss to 48 y.o. clown Monfils, Botic...
Can anyone recall an ATG struggling like this after firmly establishing himself as a #1 player?