Bastion
Semi-Pro
What were the scores in all those matches, all 3 easy straight set losses ... like Carlos one?
One of the biggest upsets in the sports history
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RS
Bionic Poster
Nothing compared to Wlad making a channel explaining the jab and grab style against Povetkin and Hayemaker.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Nadal was the #1 and 4x defending champion at the French Open who'd never lost a match there and destroyed Soderling 6-1 6-0 2 weeks earlier when he lost in the biggest upset in sport history.
He was #2 when he lost to #100 Rosol at Wimbledon and was an 11x slam champ.
Federer was the defending champ, #3 when he lost to #116 Stakhovsky and had won 17 slams.
Serena held all 4 slams, was a 21x slam champ and was 2 matches from winning the CYGS when she lost to Vinci. Also one of the biggest upsets in sport history.
Djokovic was #2, the defending champ who held 2 slams and had won 12 slams when he lost to Istomin.
For anyone to compare those monumental upsets to Alcaraz who yes is great but has won just 4 slams by comparison to what I said above, was not the defending champion here, was not even a top 2 seed... Bit ridiculous.
zagor
Bionic Poster
He got broken like 22 times at Wimbledon this year, it's a small miracle he won the title despite his great performance in the finals.
Bastion
Semi-Pro
Thanks, but what were the scores?
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Some were straight sets, some were 4 sets, some were 5 sets.
Off the top of my head I'd rank this as the biggest upset on the men's side at a major during this current decade. However even within the 21st century without considering huge previous upsets such as Becker losing to Doohan at Wimbledon in 1987, there were many significantly bigger upsets than this during the previous 2 completed decades, many of which have been mentioned.
I quite like van de Zandschulp, with his unorthodox technique, ball-striking and shot-making, plus he moves well. I echo the comments about liking his 'business-like' reaction to the victory.
I was pretty gutted for him after last year's Munich final against Rune, when he had 4 match points on serve, served for it 3 times, and ultimately lost in the final set tiebreak. He was understandably devastated afterwards, missing out on winning his first ATP singles title.
In terms of Alcaraz, he is the youngest member of the current ATP top 20 and one of the 3 youngest members of the current ATP top 50 I believe. Clearly his results at Cincinnati and at this tournament have been disappointing and yes he definitely needs to work on his serve. However I'm certainly not going to rush to predict the imminent decline of a guy that won the 2 previous majors, has won this tournament in the past, and only turned 21 less than 4 months ago. Of course predictions of him winning every major in sight in the future were also absurd.
Alcaraz on the men's side, and Swiatek on the women's, both seem to be held to unrealistically high standards IMO, especially in comparison to Sinner (20 months older than Alcaraz having played in 73 more tour level matches before this tournament got underway), and Sabalenka (3 years older than Swiatek, having played in 181 more tour level matches before this tournament got underway), respectively.
I quite like van de Zandschulp, with his unorthodox technique, ball-striking and shot-making, plus he moves well. I echo the comments about liking his 'business-like' reaction to the victory.
I was pretty gutted for him after last year's Munich final against Rune, when he had 4 match points on serve, served for it 3 times, and ultimately lost in the final set tiebreak. He was understandably devastated afterwards, missing out on winning his first ATP singles title.
In terms of Alcaraz, he is the youngest member of the current ATP top 20 and one of the 3 youngest members of the current ATP top 50 I believe. Clearly his results at Cincinnati and at this tournament have been disappointing and yes he definitely needs to work on his serve. However I'm certainly not going to rush to predict the imminent decline of a guy that won the 2 previous majors, has won this tournament in the past, and only turned 21 less than 4 months ago. Of course predictions of him winning every major in sight in the future were also absurd.
Alcaraz on the men's side, and Swiatek on the women's, both seem to be held to unrealistically high standards IMO, especially in comparison to Sinner (20 months older than Alcaraz having played in 73 more tour level matches before this tournament got underway), and Sabalenka (3 years older than Swiatek, having played in 181 more tour level matches before this tournament got underway), respectively.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Meh Rosol played fantastic back then
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
I dont know yet, i have to watch more matches to see how players are playing, but despite not having anything against Djokovic, in not really keen in watching him lift another Major, he already won gold medal and its crazy, i would like somebody else to win it
DonutBoy1128
Semi-Pro
So could this match be even worse than monfils match?!After shocking Olympic loss to huge underdog Djoker, Raz said Monfils match was his worst ever. Now this 2R shocker.
Three out of four subpar matches?
Did Djoker take his soul?
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Your for real? Of course they did lose in early rounds, and this was a second round, not a first round, they even Lost in early rounds being older than carlos
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Fair deal. You might need to root for sinner then if it comes to it. That said I think Zverev and Meddy have great chances here.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
I like medvedev a lot, not so much zverev, i Guess It would be between sinner and medvedev for me, but i wanna watch lower ranked players too
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Really? Crazy if truenot to mention last night was Botic's first back to back match win this entire season!!!
recreationalplayer
Semi-Pro
one of the biggest upsets in tennis history, great match.4x slam champion who’s won 2 slams this year just got dumped out in the 2R by the World No. 74.
This was his only win against a top 10 player in a slam ever.
He played amazing we shouldn’t take that away from him.
Congrats Botic!
JJGUY
Hall of Fame
he had a few wins on challenges and qualis but on ATP tour maindraw and slams, it was the first time he won 2 matches in a row
droliver
Professional
It was a BIG upset, particularly as consistent as Alcaraz has been in the slams and as good a hardcourt player as he has been the last 2-3 seasons.
I think this will fall into that category of losses like Nadal to Rosol or Fed to Sergiy Stakhovsky but less the earthquake the weird Becker loss at Wimbledon (Doohan)
I think this will fall into that category of losses like Nadal to Rosol or Fed to Sergiy Stakhovsky but less the earthquake the weird Becker loss at Wimbledon (Doohan)
duaneeo
Legend
You're weird.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I got you rattled. I agree but it doesn’t take much to wind you up. It all to easy. This is the problem when you become invested in one player. First Federer and now alcaraz. Alcaraz is your only negative joy I guess. You will have to jump ship but I don’t think you are a big fan of sinner, Zverev or Meddy are you?
duaneeo
Legend
Uh no, lol.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Yes because you are replied. You should have ignored it. That said I deserved that comment you said
RS
Bionic Poster
Ronaldo's rate of growing slowing down but still climbing nicely. It may not be so easy to get the record set by Mr Beast.
duaneeo
Legend
Yes because you are replied. You should have ignored it. That said I deserved that comment you said
You think I only reply to comments when I'm rattled?
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Usually the case on here when you debating with Nole fans
tennis_error
Professional
No, no, Rosol moment is one of the few tennis moments fans will never forget. This will one be forgotten pretty soon.
Nadal was bigger player compared to Alkaraz, and atmosphere was hot, on verge of incident, Rosol was a bad boy who delivered his evil that day. And Nadal was pissed of.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Thank you rosol
Airspun
Hall of Fame
Djoker is now unbeatable
a10best
Legend
Nadal was 23 and 26 yrs old in those early rd losses.
When you look at it in context; Nadal had been in how many major finals and semis before those losses?
Upsets happen after Winning so much for 5-6 years. The body gets tired and his was breaking down since 2010 when had to take months of time off.
Fed's reign was ending too after he won the USO for 5 yrs straights and lost to Delpo.
Nadal's losses were not from him missing wildly or ****-poor shot selection like Carlos. He just played a better player that day. Much like VDZ who should be a top 30-40 player.
When you look at it in context; Nadal had been in how many major finals and semis before those losses?
Upsets happen after Winning so much for 5-6 years. The body gets tired and his was breaking down since 2010 when had to take months of time off.
Fed's reign was ending too after he won the USO for 5 yrs straights and lost to Delpo.
Nadal's losses were not from him missing wildly or ****-poor shot selection like Carlos. He just played a better player that day. Much like VDZ who should be a top 30-40 player.
sliceroni
Hall of Fame
A big upset, but definitely not one of the biggest. Maybe if Carlos was in his prime 25-27yrs old with more slams under his belt, actually played decent at Cincy and then this happens it would be bigger. But not even close as one of the biggest like Tyson/Douglas, Red Sox coming back from 0-3 down to the Yankees, Nadal/Rosol, ect ect. This is far down the list.
sliceroni
Hall of Fame
Definitely an interesting topic. Becker finished #2 in 89, but I think Lendl won the first 2 slams. I get the defending points system, but it is what it is that Carlos has 2 slams and Nole hasn’t won anything this year but the Olympics (any points for that?) and is No.2.
BigThreeForever
Semi-Pro
Not even one of the biggest in individual sports. Biggest upset in an individual sport I believe, not including animal based ones such as horse racing, is Rulon Gardner's 1–0 defeat of 33-year old Karelin in the 2000 Summer Olympics final in Greco-Roman wrestling. Odds were 2000-to-1.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Yep. I just created the thread in GPPD.
I also know that Vilas was never ATP#1 in his career, including the year 1977 in which he was a 2-slam winner (RG and USO), year in which he set many records.
I don't remember in which position he ended that year.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Dude Luka Nardi beating Djokovic was far bigger upset this year
Than raz losing to botic.
Than raz losing to botic.
ghostofMecir
Legend
It’s easily a top 10 upset in history by betting odds, I think Carlitos losing in straight sets was the biggest shocker. I’m not sure there was even an option of betting Carlos to “win at least one set” since there isn’t for such big favorites sometimes. If there were, it would be at -50,000, which is an insane number; Botic to win in straight sets was at like +20,000. Now, I do believe books overvalued him knowing that Carlos has the propensity to mess around and lose sets to players he should not lose sets to. Additionally, he did not look all that great in his previous match, certainly not like a -10,000 favorite.
Nadal was the biggest favorite ever to lose I believe against Darcis. At least Rosol had a big game—Darcis presumably had nothing to hurt Rafiro, and Rafito was playing incredibly well from the baseline. Nadal was a -50,000 to win at some books. Darcis winning in straights would be like +100,000 loool.
Nadal was invincible at RG and had beaten up Soderling in Rome, but Soderling was also playing well on clay and it was a 4th round match and the further you go in tournaments, the underdogs don’t become as big of underdogs. Nadal was -10,000 I think.
Federer hadn‘t been playing well and Stak had a game for grass. Upsets are more likely on grass because you can win sets while not being an overall better player much more easily than you can on hard or especially clay. Still I think Federer was -10,000.
Serena losing to Vinci was a big upset, but a best of 3 match is usually not going to have such extreme odds because it’s just so much easier to win two sets than it is to win three sets against someone who is obviously better than you are. The only exception is when a top player is playing a young qualifier who hasn't played tour level matches. Serena was a -2000 favorite but in some places she was a -1100 or -1200 favorite.
Hewitt vs. Ivo was a shocker since Ivo hadn’t had many matches played on tour, hadn’t played in 2003 until grass season and though you could see the Ivo serve, it wasn’t as good yet as players had gotten into his serve games at Queen’s. Hewitt wasn’t playing very well going into the match. I think Hewitt was a -10,000 favorite.
Djoko vs Istomin was a shocker. Djoko was a -8,000 favorite. Ching was a SF so the odds aren’t going to be -10,000.
inflation_era
Semi-Pro
Alcaraz's talent is overstated. He's taking advantage of the same weak era Djokovic has.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Only if someone was born one second ago and knows absolutely nothing about tennis history.
Alcaraz is not much of a consistent threat at the USO; he does not have the expectations of a Connors, McEnroe or Sampras to be a heavy favorite based on....wait for it...a number of great results there / undeniable talent for the event. That is in no way Alcaraz.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Very sad. Hate to see it.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
I'm not a gambling man, and for certain matches the upsets might have been -8000 or whatever (I don't know what those numbers mean in this context sorry), but when you look at some of the examples I used like Djokovic v Chung or Nadal v Soderling or Serena v Vinci, nobody and I mean nobody expected them to win. What was even more incredible was that it was deeper in the tournament and they got it done. For me that's more of an upset than a 2R loss. To be a surprise slam SFist or 4R opponent and cause a mammoth upset like Vinci did and like Soderling did is more of an upset than a 2R loss where someone is rusty.
Perhaps we have differing opinions and that's ok
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
If you look back at the entire season alcaraz should have lost to a lot of different guys. Luck was on his side this year. He’s lucky he didn’t have a slamless year
The problem with luck is eventually it runs out. He hasn’t shown he can breeze through and put a strangle hold on the tour
The problem with luck is eventually it runs out. He hasn’t shown he can breeze through and put a strangle hold on the tour
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Lol i'm hoping you're kidding cause otherwise this is an absolute joke of a post.
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
Care to refute then? Barely got by MUGafoe at Wimbledon and Zverev and sinner had a 2 set to 1 lead on him at RG. It was more like a luck out season than a dominant one. Go to bed. The adults are talking
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
He beat 3 consecutive top 10 players to win Indian Wells (Zverev, Sinner and Medvedev) in the QF, SF and Final.
He beat 3 consecutive top 10 players to win the French Open (Tsitsipas, Sinner and Zverev) in the QF, SF and Final.
He beat Medvedev in the SF and Djokovic in the final back to back to win Wimbledon....
Defeating Zverev multiple times, Sinner multiple times, Medvedev multiple times, Djokovic again in a slam final.
If you think that's luck on his side you're utterly embarrassing yourself babe.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Not luck, just inconsistent as his foundation mentally and physically needs to be stronger. His IQ is really lacking. His reliance on power and movement will continue to be a problem. That said, his wins are not luck.
He is still young so he could always figure it out. I am not sold on that, but he could.
nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Alcaraz is not even ready to lace big 3 boots
And I mean right now not raz as 21 vs them at 21
Any youngster getting beaten is no huge upset
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