Perhaps then you can ask your little friends to ease off
Surprised to not find Borg’s 74 FO and Kuerten’s 97 FO on that list, since going by sets lost, those two are the (negative) record holders in the OE together with the mentioned Becker 85 Wimbledon run (all three losing 8 sets). One can argue that given the first two rounds at FO 74 were Bo3, Borg could well have lost one or two sets more and be the sole record holder here. He had five setters against van Dillen in the 4R, Ramirez in the quarters and Orantes in the final.
I know. Hard to get your head round such an achievement.
Eight is indeed the (negative) record which gives Borg the distinction to hold both the (shared) record for fewest and most sets lost at a slam run.
Point is the paragraph you were quoting didn’t make sense. You cannot break a record of fewest games lost at a slam run by setting a record of consecutive matches won.
When did I make the point? I posted an article complete with the link and you think I wrote it?
I agree on the slam record part, but you're wrong about other good stuff, those also belongs to Novak. There's nothing but scraps left, as this one in OP...
To be fair, had he stayed around longer Lendl would likely have got him once at some point. Anywho, fact is at the point of his retirement he was more dominant than even Rafa at the same age (both 6 Titels, but Borg didn’t play 1977 where he was the huge favourite, and while you cannot hand out hypothetical titles no matter how likely, his best runs were statistically even more dominant than Rafa’s as shown in the link posted by @NonP).
I agree on the slam record part, but you're wrong about other good stuff, those also belongs to Novak. There's nothing but scraps left, as this one in OP...
Quite interesting way to present the information, bs, all the way. Rafa may have missed 19 slams but he's got only 5 entries less than Novak...
No mercyLol
This is a tongue in cheek poking fun at Djokovic thread by OP. You're meant to just play along.
Well I said you quoted it (copy pasted whatever) so absolutely clear it is not coming from you. Nevertheless it doesn’t make sense and that seemed to be the whole point of @King_olaf_the_hairy ’s post to which you responded that “he can’t get his head around such an achievement”, which was a complete irrelevant statement in that context.
Rafa won 22 of 67 entries and Novak won 23 of 71. You could say they are neck and neck except that Rafa won 4 without dropping a set.
Interesting…tells me a few things:
And yet…
He missed 16 outright and at least 3 that he retired from.
aha... you were the one who was so sure back in march that he will be SO ready for the clay season
Winning 22 out of 67 includes winning 14 out of 17 RG. Or, 8 out of 50 on other surface that he missed more than 2 RG in his whole career. 8/50 is one every 6 he enters. Does not look that great any more, ha?
You…repeated what I said…He missed 16 outright and at least 3 that he retired from.
He missed Roland Garros this year FYI he also missed it in 2003.
I know what reality is and in reality Nadal has 22 slams and he deserves 22 slams. It's okay.
Rafa has many unique records, no need to scrape the pan. His achievements are respected amongst real tennis fans, doesn't matter who's their fave.
The player who has won the most slams without losing a set in the open era is far from scraping the barrel. Some believe that only weeks at #1 and number of slams matter.
You know your stuff. Feel free to jump in on the wrestling thread.
Lol, i can't believe I tried reasoning with you...
I’d say all fanbases seek to make their favorites look the best.
Rafa said it perfectly. If if if doesn’t exist. It’s as simple as that really. We can all speculate what could have happened but it’s all irrelevant as it never happened and just based on a subjective view.I’d say all fanbases seek to make their favorites look the best.
But once one fanbase goes down the path of “if,if,if” others will do the same.
If only his fanbase listened!
If I believed in conspiracies, I would have said that it was all lines woman’s fault and “stupid Covid rules”. I obviously stated quite the opposite that all 3 of those were his fault. Would he win any or all 3 of those - we will never know, just like we will never know if Rafa would have won any of those 19 missed slams.
I just went thru the least dominant Slam runs of the OE (scroll to the bottom) to see if anyone has ever come close to earning this disputably dubious distinction:
1973 USO - This is the most bookend-y run I've come across, Newk eking out a 5-set W in 1R/F but largely breezing through the rest of the draw (including pre-'74 Jimbo in QF).
1975 AO - Newk had to survive a whopping FOUR 5-setters in 2R/4R/QF/SF, and the 4-set F vs. Jimbo was no walk in the park, either. It's almost a miracle this doesn't top (if that's the way to put it) Goran's Cinderella run as the most difficult of the OE (in GW%).
1985 AO - Edberg had to fend off Masur and Lendl in 5-set 4R/SF, but he had a bye into 2R and the AO field wasn't quite 100% yet. Far from the most demanding Slam run.
1985 Wimbledon - Boris' stunning run as a 17-year-old teen - unsurpassed to this day at SW19 and bested only by Chang at '89 RG - was understandably bumpy with 5-set 3R/4R vs. Nystrom and Mayotte, but his QF/SF/F were fairly uneventful 4-setters except for the 2 TBs vs. red-hot Curren.
1989 RG - Perhaps the most famous of all gutsy Slam runs and I'm surprised that this failed to make the (pre-'14) OE top 20. But that's because Chang went the distance only vs. Lendl and Edberg in 4R/F.
1992 USO - Yes, this is Stefan's legendary run where he had to suffer grueling 5-setters vs. Krajicek, Lendl and Chang in 4R/QF/SF followed by a hardly gimme F vs. pre-Pistoling Pete. But his first three rounds were straight-set routs.
1999 RG - Dre needed 5 sets to dispatch Clement and a rejuvenated A. Medvedev in 2R/F, but the rest were relatively straightforward affairs.
2000 USO - Marat did struggle early including in 5-set 2R/3R, but as you'd gather from that spectacular beatdown on Pistol he did raise his game later on.
2001 Wimbledon - Everyone knows about Goran's nail-biters vs. Henman and Rafter. Before the SF/F, though, he was actually in commanding form with some of the most sensational serving you'll ever see.
2004 RG - Yes, this is the one with the infamous F vs. Coria, and Gaudio also needed 5 sets to fend off Canas and Jiri Novak in 1R/2R. At the same time he broke serve a possibly OE-record (confirmed at least since '91) 62 times.
2014 Wimbledon - Somewhat surprisingly this is Djoker's toughest Slam title, with the 5-set QF/F vs. Cilic and Fraud and tight sets throughout. That gives him 58.0% of GW (160/276), #19 at the bottom of the OE ladder.
2017 AO - Though Fraud did have those 5-setters vs. Kei, Stan and Bull in 4R/SF/F he didn't drop a set in the other rounds, just barely managing to stay out of the OE top 20 in lowest GW% at 58.3% (155/266).
2021 RG - Strictly speaking Djoker did have two 5-setters vs. Musetti and Tsits in 4R/F, but the last 3 sets of both matches were lopsided in his favor, hence his above-average 62.2% of GW.
2022 AO - The so-called asterisk Slam with its greatest champ out, and Bull's 5-set struggles against Shapo and Med in QF/F seem to support that view... except he was never pushed for the rest of the fortnight.
2022 USO - Y'all already know about Carlitos' 5-setters vs. Cilic, Sinner and Tiafoe in 4R/QF/SF, but this still doesn't make the OE top 20 of the least winning Slam runs, just 0.2% (58.2% or 160/275) below Djoker's '14 Wimby and Stan's '16 USO (also 58.0% or 163/281).
So close but no cigar. Though '75 Newk seems to "win" this contest with a whopping 9 dropped sets only the SF was a notable 5-setter against a worthy opponent in Roche as opposed to '92 Edberg's heroic consecutive battles against Krajicek, Lendl and Chang. And Stefan's 2nd USO is widely and justly considered one of the clutchest performances ever, which means, yes, a prolonged and gutsy run is arguably even more impressive than a perfect/dominant one.
Well, given his H2H vs. your boy that year one could say Fraud wins the whole shebang if he ekes out that 3rd-set TB vs. Delpo. But I know how you feel about Fedal at the majors.
I knew I'd made some mistakes/omissions, LOL. What can I say, it was getting late.
I actually realized right before hitting the sack that I'd overlooked those two (and Guga's '00 RG). FYI my main criteria were 1) at least two 5-setters and 2) near the bottom of the pack in GW%. No worries, I'll make a separate thread with all the additions/corrections (known to moi so far).
It was getting close to 6 am so cut moi some slack, LOL.
Plus, Curren was up a break at 4-3 in the third set of the final when they were tied at one set apiece.
No problem, was only surprised that those weren’t included in the list of the link you posted as I had expected that two runs with most sets lost would likely be among the 20 runs with fewest games won. Then again as I said, Borg’s five setter against Orantes was really weird in the sense that Orantes only won two games in the last three sets and Borg’s other matches were generally dominating as well (relatively) despite the lost sets.
you might say it's not a backhanded compliment but a complimented backhand
If you are trying to compare through some record race than novak has far many records in which he is only holder of that record. Roger and nadal has also some records that they are the only holder but if you are thinking that any novak fan is disturbed by this record you are living in illusion .
