One of the toughest losses in my life : Novak Djokovic

punterlad

Hall of Fame
Try to at least be a funny troll if you're going to make such low effort posts
What's a matter? Truth hurt? Djokovic only guy to have held all four majors at once that puts him in the conversation. That's reality. If u can't handle it go and lie down
 

SoCalJay

Semi-Pro
When you take into account the entire genome it is. Sure it's not true when only considering the minor set of phenotypic genes.

Were you waiting for an opportunity to show off what you learned in your freshman biology class or what? Going from whining about patriotism to genetics is kind of a stretch.
 

newpball

Legend
Failure was not an option! This is one step short of a disgrace!

First Wimbledon, now the Olympics, what does he have left for the US Open?

The road to the valley of tears is now straight ahead, hopefully he changes direction fast!

:D
 

Tennisanity

Legend
Were you waiting for an opportunity to show off what you learned in your freshman biology class or what? Going from whining about patriotism to genetics is kind of a stretch.

No, not showing off. Just think being so high on your own country is ridiculous considering that we are all Africans.
 

SumYungGai

Semi-Pro
Failure was not an option! This is one step short of a disgrace!

First Wimbledon, now the Olympics, what does he have left for the US Open?

The road to the valley of tears is now straight ahead, hopefully he changes direction fast!

:D
I'm alright with the direction. All aboard the Del Potro train! Next stop: NYC
 

Dave1982

Professional
Really nice words from Novak, a champions legacy will almost always be defined by their moments of success, their measure as a person typically comes in moments of defeat.
While I'm no Novak fan and I have said many times over that I don't really find his style of play that enjoyable to watch, I will always respect him and such sentiment shown by him towards JMDP only strengthens this respect.
 

Shangri La

Hall of Fame

novak-djokovic-cries-after-loss-olympics-03.jpg

This picture tells you exactly how much a 12-time GS champion values the Olympics. Has he ever been this emotional before?
 
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maxxy777

Guest
It would have been a scandal if he wasnt playing the olympics.
I dont think he wanted to play that much but he had to,and i dont think he gave his best.
I think that is why he was crying.
 

Incognito

Legend
Djokovic values the Olympics way too much. For a split second there, even I felt sorry for him. But then I remembered all the times he screamed like a maniac in front of Fedal and Murray after beating them. Just because he wants a hug everytime he loses, it makes him classy?:rolleyes:
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
What's good about patriotism? Why is there such a need to prove your country is better than another? At the genetic level, races are essentially non-existent. There is more variation between you and someone of your race than someone of another.

Except there's nothing toxic about Djokovic's patriotism and it's not about proving Serbia's superiority. You try growing up in a war-torn city, with a ravaged economy where people would fight tooth and nail for loaves of bread, as a member of an ethnic group which has been, in some respects, demonized for the better part of two decades. Would you not feel a strong moral obligation to improve this countries standing in the world? And make no mistake about it, that's exactly what he's done, a Serbian diplomat even remarked once that "[Djokovic] has done more than all of our efforts combined."


I think you're using patriotism and nationalism interchangeably, and while loosely synonymous, they're not the same thing.
 
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Tennisanity

Legend
Except there's nothing toxic about Djokovic's patriotism and it's not about proving Serbia's "superiority". You try growing up in a war-torn city, with a ravaged economy where people would fight tooth and nail for loaves of bread, as a member of an ethnic group which has been demonized for the better part of two decades. Would you not feel a strong moral obligation to improve this countries standing in the world? And make no mistake about it, that's exactly what he's done, a Serbian diplomat even remarked once that "[Djokovic] has done more than all of our efforts combined."


I think you're using patriotism and nationalism interchangeably, and while loosely synonymous, they're not the same thing.

I wasn't necessarily talking about Djokovic per se, but when I do see his face, I do see some toxicity.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
I know enough about Serbs and Croats.

Oh believe me, likewise. And I was born in a city that was besieged by the Serbs, lest you think I'm some kind of apologist. So what role does Djokovic play in what transpired in the 90's and the subsequent years? What exactly has he done for you to think that he's some kind of fanatic? Him wanting to improve Serbia's standing in the world?
 

Tennisanity

Legend
Oh believe me, likewise. So what role does Djokovic play in what transpired in the 90's and the subsequent years? What exactly has he done for you to think that he's some kind of fanatic? Him wanting to improve Serbia's standing in the world?

Dude you're questioning my knowledge of Djokovic, so you know him well enough to know he is not toxic? That he's not a zealot? What the hell exactly do you know to be able refute what I said?
 

macattack

Professional
Dude you're questioning my knowledge of Djokovic, so you know him well enough to know he is not toxic? That he's not a zealot? What the hell exactly do you know to be able refute what I said?

That's some circular logic... I don't think either of you know if he's toxic or not, but I hope we all start with a base level that people aren't inherently toxic and work from there.
 

macattack

Professional
There's no circular logic, but rather opposing opinions.

I agree there are opposing opinions. No problem there.

But you said this:

I wasn't necessarily talking about Djokovic per se, but when I do see his face, I do see some toxicity.

So it's fair for TheFifthSet to then ask: "...exactly has he done for you to think that he's some kind of fanatic?"

But you came at him for it and then tried to flip it around. I was just pointing that out.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
Dude you're questioning my knowledge of Djokovic, so you know him well enough to know he is not toxic? That he's not a zealot? What the hell exactly do you know to be able refute what I said?

Unless I'm mistaken, you made the claim that Djokovic is a zealot, with zero evidence at your disposal. The onus is on you to bolster that claim, not on me to essentially prove a negative.

I may not know him personally, but I know that when it comes to matters pertaining to Serbian affairs, he's conducted himself with diplomacy and gentility, and gets along amiably with all the Croatian players. He even considered Umag to be something of a second home to him.

How you "knowing enough about Serbs and Croats" is relevant to this I'll likely never know, given your inability to elucidate your positions.
 

Tennisanity

Legend
Unless I'm mistaken, you made the claim that Djokovic is a zealot, with zero evidence at your disposal. The onus is on you to bolster that claim, not on me to essentially prove a negative.

I may not know him personally, but I know that when it comes to matters pertaining to Serbia, he's conducted himself with diplomacy and gentility, and gets along amiably with all the Croatian players. He even considered Umag to be something of a second home to him.

How you "knowing enough about Serbs and Croats" is relevant to this I'll likely never know, given your inability to elucidate your positions.

It's my opinion based on his behaviour, his mannerisms, his family's comments and behaviour and knowing the background of his nationality. What kind of evidence are you looking for? Secret tapings? Of course he conducts himself in public in the proper manner. But you watch people and you learn.
 

Tennisanity

Legend
I agree there are opposing opinions. No problem there.

But you said this:



So it's fair for TheFifthSet to then ask: "...exactly has he done for you to think that he's some kind of fanatic?"

But you came at him for it and then tried to flip it around. I was just pointing that out.

It was my opinion based on watching him and his family over the years. This is a free country that allow forming of opinions, no? If it were based on hard evidence it really wouldn't be an opinion then would it.
 

macattack

Professional
It was my opinion based on watching him and his family over the years. This is a free country that allow forming of opinions, no? If it were based on hard evidence it really wouldn't be an opinion then would it.

Absolutely. I have no problem with opinions. You are as free to have them as I am. You just came at him pretty hard and I didn't think it was warranted considering you both were stating opinions and he was trying to understand why you had a certain opinion. Hell, maybe you know Nole personally and could give some insight!
 

macattack

Professional
It's my opinion based on his behaviour, his mannerisms, his family's comments and behaviour and knowing the background of his nationality. What kind of evidence are you looking for? Secret tapings? Of course he conducts himself in public in the proper manner. But you watch people and you learn.

When someone offers an opinion it is completely fair to ask them how they came to that opinion. That was what I was trying to get at. No harm, no foul.
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
It's my opinion based on his behaviour, his mannerisms, his family's comments and behaviour and knowing the background of his nationality. What kind of evidence are you looking for? Secret tapings? Of course he conducts himself in public in the proper manner. But you watch people and you learn.

The background of his nationality. Uh-huh.

Is it fair to ask if you just assume a priori that all Serbs that aren't ashamed of their ethnicity are zealots, extreme nationalists, fanatics and what have you? Not making accusations. Just wondering if that would be fair of me to infer.

Beyond this, what is it about his behaviour (anything will do) that suggests he's a zealot, of all things?

Do you not see how out of left field that sounds?
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
Except there's nothing toxic about Djokovic's patriotism and it's not about proving Serbia's "superiority". You try growing up in a war-torn city, with a ravaged economy where people would fight tooth and nail for loaves of bread, as a member of an ethnic group which has been demonized for the better part of two decades. Would you not feel a strong moral obligation to improve this countries standing in the world? And make no mistake about it, that's exactly what he's done, a Serbian diplomat even remarked once that "[Djokovic] has done more than all of our efforts combined."


I think you're using patriotism and nationalism interchangeably, and while loosely synonymous, they're not the same thing.
please don't try and pretend that Djokovic grew up poor and destitute...
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
please don't try and pretend that Djokovic grew up poor and destitute...
What in the world are you talking about? Nowhere in my post did I imply that. I was talking about the condition of the Serbian people and the impetus that (likely) gave Djokovic to change how they are perceived in the world.

Pretty please, don't put words in my mouth.
 

Tennisanity

Legend
The background of his nationality. Uh-huh.

Is it fair to ask if you just assume a priori that all Serbs that aren't ashamed of their ethnicity are zealots, extreme nationalists, fanatics and what have you? Not making accusations. Just wondering if that would be fair of me to infer.

Beyond this, what is it about his behaviour (anything will do) that suggests he's a zealot, of all things?

Do you not see how out of left field that sounds?

Not all are like that. As I said initially, I wasn't speaking about Djokovic per se, but when I do see his mannerisms on court, he does not appear genuine at all to me. How the hell can that be out of left field? Everyone when they see others make subconscious judgments about others based on how they move, smell, look, etc, etc. Watch how Djokovic's father carries himself as well as his mother and the looks on their faces when they cheer. I've also seen Djokovic in person when the camera's are off, he is no Roger Federer. Is this scientific evidence? Of course not, but as I said we gather our opinions on people based on more than just what they do in public. Else I assume you believe all people who behave properly in public are genuine? You can't be so naive. You don't need to have the same opinion as me, but please don't be so asinine as to request hard evidence on a public forum.
 

DRII

G.O.A.T.
What in the world are you talking about? Nowhere in my post did I imply that. I was talking about the condition of the Serbian people and the impetus that (likely) gave Djokovic to change how they are perceived in the world.

Pretty please, don't put words in my mouth.
you did imply it.

and even if you did not mean to, if Djokovic was really significantly motivated by the poor condition of the Serbs (that you speak of), then perhaps he would not live in a tax haven like Monte Carlo...
 

Tennisanity

Legend
When someone offers an opinion it is completely fair to ask them how they came to that opinion. That was what I was trying to get at. No harm, no foul.

I've seen him in person, I think based on watching him, what he puts on for public is mostly an act. (moreso than others). No I don't have any secret tapings of him claiming Serbians are the highest achievement of mankind.
 
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