One of the toughest losses in my life : Novak Djokovic

TheFifthSet

Legend
Not all are like that. As I said initially, I wasn't speaking about Djokovic per se, but when I do see his mannerisms on court, he does not appear genuine at all to me. How the hell can that be out of left field? Everyone when they see others make subconscious judgments about others based on how they move, smell, look, etc, etc. Watch how Djokovic's father carries himself as well as his mother and the looks on their faces when they cheer. I've also seen Djokovic in person when the camera's are off, he is no Roger Federer. Is this scientific evidence? Of course not, but as I said we gather our opinions on people based on more than just what they do in public. Else I assume you believe all people who behave properly in public are genuine? You can't be so naive. You don't need to have the same opinion as me, but please don't be so asinine as to request hard evidence on a public forum.


And still none of this suggests that he's "a zealot". You seemed to have pulled that out of a hat.

If you said him and his parents are jerks, or disingenuous, that's one thing. But you didn't say that, so this just amounts to backtracking lol. You specifically said he was an over-patriotic zealot. Own it, gurl :p
 

Tennisanity

Legend
And none of this suggests that he's "a zealot".

If you said him and his parents are jerks, or disingenuous, that's one thing. But you didn't say that, so this just amounts to backtracking lol. You specifically said he was an over-patriotic zealot. Own it, gurl :p

In your opinion it does not. In my opinion it does. What backtracking? I do think he's an overpatriotic zealot just like his daddy, where have I backtracked?
 

eagletennis

Semi-Pro
Dude you're questioning my knowledge of Djokovic, so you know him well enough to know he is not toxic? That he's not a zealot? What the hell exactly do you know to be able refute what I said?
You have right to your opinions you don't have right to your facts.Djokovic mom is Croatian so before making opinion at least try to get facts straight
 

macattack

Professional
I've seen him in person, I think based on watching him, what he puts on for public is mostly an act. (moreso than others). No I don't have any secret tapings of him claiming Serbians are the highest achievement of mankind.

Fair enough. I have no problem with that. I'm just curious how people put their opinions together. Works for me.
 

Tennisanity

Legend
Fair enough. I have no problem with that. I'm just curious how people put their opinions together. Works for me.

How else do you think people put opinions together? I would say mostly based on personal experiences, most often limited experiences often then extrapolated (sometimes perhaps unjustifiably). But that's how it works. Yes there is scientific analysis, but human behaviour is not amenable to that (at least not yet on a systematic scale).

What I find more curious are people on forums who ask for hard "EVIDENCE", I mean it's ridiculous. If I had secret tapings of Djokovic saying something racist for example, then this wouldn't even be an issue worth discussing.
 

eagletennis

Semi-Pro
I never said she was Serbian. My favourite female tennis player is Monica Seles.
You were mentioning Serbian Croatian history.Yes he is patriotic but no nationalist.He gave millions of dollars to every country in ex Yugoslavia during flooding 2 years ago.2008 he was introduced as a Croatian and when announcer apologized he said "it doesn't matter its all same".We probably have different definition of patriotism if you thinkthat he is over patriotic
Now about fact that you say that he is all act.Not more than Fed.Federer is master of manipulation and Djokovic mistake is that he is trying to play same game like him insted of going with bad boy image like before
And last one.One of mine costumers grow up in Serbia playing tennis with Novak regularly anytime when Novak wasn't in Germany.And what he told me is That Novak is genuinely nice guy ( he also said that Troicki is biggest POS on the earth)
And last yes his dad is not good guy.They had falling after last interview which he gave 2014 I think when he slamed Fed.Until then Novak was giving him free pass cause of sacrifice which his parents did for him but after that he never gave another interview anywhere.Which knowing Srdjan is probably not gonna last forever
 
Rusty is too smart to be a supporter of Trump and too humane to be a supporter of Kim Jong Il. According to Suresh, Rusty has a fetish for "unibrows", so he must be a supporter Frida Kahlo.:D
HAHA. When did The Great Phatsby say that? I used to have a Brezhnev avatar, that's why.

I don't think unibrows are specially attractive, but they don't need to be a deal breaker either, as Erika Eleniak demonstrated once.

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TheFifthSet

Legend
you did imply it.

and even if you did not mean to, if Djokovic was really significantly motivated by the poor condition of the Serbs (that you speak of), then perhaps he would not live in a tax haven like Monte Carlo...


Ok I'll bite: how, pray tell, did I imply this? At most I implied that Djokovic suffered hardships -- which isn't really up for debate. However the main thrust of the post was to underscore the plight of the Serbian people, and how that might have influenced Djokovic. If that wasn't sufficiently spelled out for you, I apologize. I'll go to more extreme lengths next time to make relatively simple points clearer, in the hopes of not getting misinterpreted. How does that sound? :)

As for him living in Monte Carlo, well, lots of touring pros do. I don't see how him wanting to improve his capital offsets everything he's done for Serbia (which is, rather obviously, a lot).
 
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eagletennis

Semi-Pro
Ok I'll bite: how, pray tell, did I imply this? At best I implied that Djokovic suffered hardships -- which isn't really up for debate. However the main thrust of the post was to underscore the plight of the Serbian people, and how that might have influenced Djokovic. If that wasn't sufficiently spelled out for you, I apologize. I'll go to more extreme lengths next time to make relatively simple points clearer, in the hopes of not getting misinterpreted. How does that sound? :)

As for him living in Monte Carlo, well, lots of touring pros do. I don't see how him wanting to improve his capital offsets everything he's done for Serbia (which is, rather obviously, a lot).
Logic shame on you for using logic.I don't need facts just hard opinions ;)
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
In your opinion it does not. In my opinion it does. What backtracking? I do think he's an overpatriotic zealot just like his daddy, where have I backtracked?

Because you listed a number of vague factors -- mannerisms, family behaviour, and most curiously, the background of his nationality (whether that was xenophobic or just awkwardly worded, I can't say) -- wouldn't expound on any of it, and offered up nothing that would even anecdotally suggest that he's a zealot. That's how you backtracked. When pushed, all you could do was insinuate that he's disingenuous, a jerk, that his parents are uncultured -- all unrelated to the topic at hand, which is his supposed nationalism.
 
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TheFifthSet

Legend
I never said she was Serbian. My favourite female tennis player is Monica Seles.

Actually no, she isn't. Not ethnically at least, and she's a naturalized American citizen. Not that this matters to me, after all I'm a Serb-Canadian and I have zero qualms with her decision and still like her regardless . . . but what you're saying sounds like a variation of "I have black friends", LOL. Doesn't get you out of the woods. And that doesn't mean I think you're a bigot, just that you've said some curious things and have made some rather impressive leaps of logic in this thread.
 

eagletennis

Semi-Pro
Actually no, she isn't. Not ethnically at least, and she's a naturalized American citizen. Not that this matters to me, after all I'm a Serb-Canadian and I have zero qualms with her decision and still like her regardless . . . but what you're saying sounds like a variation of "I have black friends", LOL. Doesn't get you out of the woods. And that doesn't mean I think you're a bigot, just that you've said some curious things and have made some rather impressive leaps of logic in this thread.
He referred to Djokovic mom not Seles.Seles was mentioned after the fact that I pointed him that Novaks mom is Croatian.
 

Incognito

Legend
Sureshs is an expert in everything. He was born wise, and the holy man in his village tried to divine the future by observing baby Sureshs's bowel movements. Sureshs first word was "Kierkegaard".

Enough said.

;)


Or maybe he said "Kirkegård" which in Danish means "church yard". Suresh must have learned the Danish language while still in the womb.:D
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
You were mentioning Serbian Croatian history.Yes he is patriotic but no nationalist.He gave millions of dollars to every country in ex Yugoslavia during flooding 2 years ago.2008 he was introduced as a Croatian and when announcer apologized he said "it doesn't matter its all same".We probably have different definition of patriotism if you thinkthat he is over patriotic
Now about fact that you say that he is all act.Not more than Fed.Federer is master of manipulation and Djokovic mistake is that he is trying to play same game like him insted of going with bad boy image like before
And last one.One of mine costumers grow up in Serbia playing tennis with Novak regularly anytime when Novak wasn't in Germany.And what he told me is That Novak is genuinely nice guy ( he also said that Troicki is biggest POS on the earth)
And last yes his dad is not good guy.They had falling after last interview which he gave 2014 I think when he slamed Fed.Until then Novak was giving him free pass cause of sacrifice which his parents did for him but after that he never gave another interview anywhere.Which knowing Srdjan is probably not gonna last forever


Well, other than "Fed is the master of manipulation", great post :p :)
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
All this fake despair is very smart on Djokovic's part. Not only does he get to avoid getting mugged/contracting zika but he also comes across as gracious and patriotic. A solid career and PR move.
He's also a great actor then, crying like a baby after the defeat. He and his team must've worked a lot on that element of staging too.
 

JonnyMac

Hall of Fame
All this fake despair is very smart on Djokovic's part. Not only does he get to avoid getting mugged/contracting zika but he also comes across as gracious and patriotic. A solid career and PR move.

I don't normal use such crude language - but - Truth Bro !
 

Checkmate

Legend
He's also a great actor then, crying like a baby after the defeat. He and his team must've worked a lot on that element of staging too.

But according to his fans,he can beat 2006 federer, so what's the problem in beating 2016 Del Potro and rest of the pigeons?
 

Incognito

Legend
Is that how it's actually written? Thanks, I didn't know that. Do you also know Danish, or is it similar to Swedish? :)

I have no problem understanding Danish text. A Dane must speak slowly for me to understand them though. I live in Southern Sweden, and Copenhagen is just a 20-25 minutes train ride. My Swedish accent is heavily influenced by Danish because Southern Sweden used to belong to Denmark. I speak Swedish everytime I go to Denmark and they respond in Danish. Norwegian is closer to Swedish than Danish though. Norwegians do not need to speak slowly for me to understand them.

So yeah it's "kirkegård" in Danish and "kyrkogård" in Swedish.

Danes pronounce kirkegård "kirkegord" and Swedes pronounce kyrkogård "shirkogord" :)
 
I have no problem understanding Danish text. A Dane must speak slowly for me to understand them though. I live in Southern Sweden, and Copenhagen is just a 20-25 minutes train ride. My Swedish accent is heavily influenced by Danish because Southern Sweden used to belong to Denmark. I speak Swedish everytime I go to Denmark and they respond in Danish. Norwegian is closer to Swedish than Danish though. Norwegians do not need to speak slowly for me to understand them.

So yeah it's "kirkegård" in Danish and "kyrkogård" in Swedish.

Danes pronounce kirkegård "kirkegord" and Swedes pronounce kyrkogård "shirkogord" :)
I didn't know Swedish, Danish, and Norwegian were so close.

Fascinating, thank you! I wish I can visit Scandinavia some time. So many beautiful sights there...

BTW, when I was a kid we used to have Danish butter cookies, and I still remember them fondly. Simply delicious. :)
 

ABCD

Hall of Fame
Djokovic gave it all, but was outplayed. He was not ready to face opponent playing at such level; they (Djokovic/Vajda/Becker) did not expect that DP will move so well and be so solid with the backhand. When he wanted to exploit DP wrist, wrist just sustained everything. For Djokovic is crucial to figure out game of his opponent before they step on the court. He (and his team) misjudged DP. In terms of movement, DP is now better than ever.
 

Incognito

Legend
I didn't know Swedish, Danish, and Norwegian were so close.

Fascinating, thank you! I wish I can visit Scandinavia some time. So many beautiful sights there...

BTW, when I was a kid we used to have Danish butter cookies, and I still remember them fondly. Simply delicious. :)

Yes these three languages are very close.

If you visit Scandinavia someday, do it during summer because it's beautiful. Winters are boring. That's why Scandinavians go to warmer countries 2-3 times a year LOL. You're fortunate as an American, I'm jealous. If it's cold in New York, you can just go to Florida. :)


Danish butter cookies are good but I like Dunkin' Donuts more. I actually go to Copenhagen just to eat those because they don't have it in my city. Again, you're lucky to have it everywhere in the US.:)
 

Tennisanity

Legend
Because you listed a number of vague factors -- mannerisms, family behaviour, and most curiously, the background of his nationality (whether that was xenophobic or just awkwardly worded, I can't say) -- wouldn't expound on any of it, and offered up nothing that would even anecdotally suggest that he's a zealot. That's how you backtracked. When pushed, all you could do was insinuate that he's disingenuous, a jerk, that his parents are uncultured -- all unrelated to the topic at hand, which is his supposed nationalism.

They are vague factors based on your opinion. Not mine. That I did not expound on it is your opinion, not mine. I didn't use the word uncultured ever. You're making implications, ironically, after some one else in this thread did exactly the same to you. I did not backtrack at all.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
I have no problem understanding Danish text. A Dane must speak slowly for me to understand them though. I live in Southern Sweden, and Copenhagen is just a 20-25 minutes train ride. My Swedish accent is heavily influenced by Danish because Southern Sweden used to belong to Denmark. I speak Swedish everytime I go to Denmark and they respond in Danish. Norwegian is closer to Swedish than Danish though. Norwegians do not need to speak slowly for me to understand them.

So yeah it's "kirkegård" in Danish and "kyrkogård" in Swedish.

Danes pronounce kirkegård "kirkegord" and Swedes pronounce kyrkogård "shirkogord" :)

When I watch episodes of that wonderful Danish-Swedish co-production 'The Bridge (Broen/Bron)' the Swedish and Danish detectives seem to have no difficulty understanding each other or when they cross back and forth between the 2 countries. There was just one incident where the Danish detective used a word or phrase that the Swedish cops couldn't understand. Everybody laughed when he explained what it meant. :)
 
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