One single year titles record - Open Era.

Record for titles in one year (OPEN ERA). Who belongs?

  • Laver

    Votes: 12 38.7%
  • Nastase

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Vilas

    Votes: 17 54.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Total voters
    31
  • Poll closed .

Q&M son

Professional
#1
Some controversy about this record and who belongs:

Laver in 1969: 18 or 17 titles (without Anaheim or BBC2)?

Nastase in 1973: 14 (ATP & ITF), 15 (with Washington), or 17 (plus Kingston and Istanbul)?

Vilas in 1977: 16 or 17 (Rye included)?

What do you think about it?
 
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#3
It's hard to say what counts and what doesn't.

Borg won 22 titles in 1979 - of those, 13 are recognized by the ATP; 16 are at least 8-man fields; the remaining six are four-man invitationals.

Laver played a fair share of eight-man events as well and may have won some four-man ones too.

(according to ITF)

The Australian had a draw of either 56 or 48 - I'm not sure. Laver played five rounds.

Philadelphia had an eight-man field. Los Angeles had an eight-man field.

In South Africa Laver played six rounds with a bye in the opening round.

The French Open had a 128-man draw, as did Wimbledon.

Boston was another eight-man field it seems (three rounds), so was Fort Worth.

The US Open had a 128-man draw, as expected.

Wembley looks like another 8-man field. Three rounds.

That leaves seven more events unaccounted for on the ITF website. I don't know if they were smaller invitationals or not.

Either way, Laver's total is definitely a bit inflated, while the contemporary players yearly totals are smaller than they would have been if they were playing 30-40 years ago, of course.
 
#4
The most tournaments cited in 1969 were not 8 men events. The ITF, following the World of Tennis yearbooks, have stats, which start only at the quarterfinal, but the real draws were bigger. Wembley had a 64 draw,Philadeladephia a 32 draw; Boston ditto (at least 20 men). Fort Worth a 16 men draw, ditto Los Angeles. The problem of the 17 or 18 for Laver in 69 is the counting of the BBC 2 tournament at Wembley in April, which was indeed a four man event, featuring Laver, Rosewall, Okker and Roche. The people Laver beat in those quarters, semis and finals were all top ten or top 15.
 
#5
The most tournaments cited in 1969 were not 8 men events. The ITF, following the World of Tennis yearbooks, have stats, which start only at the quarterfinal, but the real draws were bigger. Wembley had a 64 draw,Philadeladephia a 32 draw; Boston ditto (at least 20 men). Fort Worth a 16 men draw, ditto Los Angeles. The problem of the 17 or 18 for Laver in 69 is the counting of the BBC 2 tournament at Wembley in April, which was indeed a four man event, featuring Laver, Rosewall, Okker and Roche. The people Laver beat in those quarters, semis and finals were all top ten or top 15.
Thanks. I thought that looked suspicious.

The interesting thing is that for some events ITF has results going from round of 16. So I assumed it was accurate.

So were the 17 of Laver's titles all at least eight-man events, urban?
 

Q&M son

Professional
#6
The most tournaments cited in 1969 were not 8 men events. The ITF, following the World of Tennis yearbooks, have stats, which start only at the quarterfinal, but the real draws were bigger. Wembley had a 64 draw,Philadeladephia a 32 draw; Boston ditto (at least 20 men). Fort Worth a 16 men draw, ditto Los Angeles. The problem of the 17 or 18 for Laver in 69 is the counting of the BBC 2 tournament at Wembley in April, which was indeed a four man event, featuring Laver, Rosewall, Okker and Roche. The people Laver beat in those quarters, semis and finals were all top ten or top 15.
I have a doubt about that one too... but did you saw the final result in Anaheim? 31-16 and 31-28 (!!!) :)
 
#7
1969 laver

Laver was under contract to the NTL, which only had 6 players, but all top tenners in 1969 (rosewall, gimeno, emerson gonzales and stolle). The NTL still, as in 1968, organised some of its own tournaments in 1969 so some of the fields were bound to be small. But the events are not exhibtions: they are legit events: its just the way pro tennis was organised in the 1960s.

NTL events at ST Louis(olmedo, segura, stolle) and Binghampton(gonzales, stolle and Segura) are both probably 4 man and played as round robins. Batimore was a 6 man round robin affair with all 6 NTL players playing. Orlando was probably a 6 man event with all NTL players.

Anahiem is a legit event (at least 8 players) with both WCT and NTL players. Holmberg beat Emerson and Gonzales to reach the final. Its just the VASS makes it look odd. A vass set to 31 is the same as one normal set of tennis.

BBC2 win is a 4 man event.

Urban is right, neither the ITF or ATp have full draws for some of the events they have listed; they are just copying from the 1969 world of tennis yearbook, which usually only lists results from the qf onwards.


jeffrey
 
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Van Alen Score System. It was a point system invented by the entrepeneur James van Alen, who was the founder of the Tennis Hall of Fame and also invented the tiebreak. A set was played like table tennis to 21-19. Today, table tennis is played to 11, i think, but to 7 sets. The pros used the VASS in the 50s, at the US pro for some years. Later it was played especially at Newport, where van Alen organized a pro tournament. There he used an even more extravagant scoreline, scoring all points won by a player in different matches. Jimmy also experimented with an extra service line, some feet behind the baseline. No wonder, that Pancho Gonzales engaged in some heaty arguments with him.
 
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#13
And all time record?
Here's something from wiki, about 1962 Laver 22 or 21 titles:

Now that additional titles were registered, i checked again the 1962 tally. Sutter gives Laver 21, but McCauley has him with 22 titles in 1962. One possible additional title in question, is for me Newport. The 'Encyclopedia of Tennis' by Max Robertson and Jack Kramer (1971), listed Newport winners and Laver as champ in 1962 (however not in 1960, where he won it, they have Fraser as 1960 winner, but imo Fraser didn't play the US grass circuit in 1960, which was completely dominated by Laver). In a recent audio interview on Radio Tennis, in the wake of the Hall of Fame celebrations at Newport this year, Laver was introduced as Newport winner in 1960 and 1962.
I have no additional information. I would assume McCauley is right in his assertion. Sutter probably missed an event. no source has ever proved to be totally comprehensive when dealing with tournament wins.

I've found some new information : in his book Sutter has listed the 1962 Newport(US) winner as Chuck McKinley over Eugene (Gene) Scott on August 18, 1962 and then I've read my November 1962 edition of World Tennis (US) : it confirms Sutter's information : there were some young US players as Ashe or Riessen or Australian players as Stolle in this tournament but Laver didn't even enter it. McCauley has indeed written that Laver has won 22 tournaments but he hasn't listed them. If he is right then it is another tournament but which ?

Thank you for the input. Sadly, the Hall of Fame webside has no list of former Newport winners. By the way, there were two Newports with tennis tournaments, one in Wales, one in Rhode Island. Maybe the list of Newport (USA) Men's Invitational winners of the Encyclopedia of Tennis, p.260, is not trustful. I will check other sources
 
#14
And all time record?
Here's something from wiki, about 1962 Laver 22 or 21 titles:

Now that additional titles were registered, i checked again the 1962 tally. Sutter gives Laver 21, but McCauley has him with 22 titles in 1962. One possible additional title in question, is for me Newport. The 'Encyclopedia of Tennis' by Max Robertson and Jack Kramer (1971), listed Newport winners and Laver as champ in 1962 (however not in 1960, where he won it, they have Fraser as 1960 winner, but imo Fraser didn't play the US grass circuit in 1960, which was completely dominated by Laver). In a recent audio interview on Radio Tennis, in the wake of the Hall of Fame celebrations at Newport this year, Laver was introduced as Newport winner in 1960 and 1962.
I have no additional information. I would assume McCauley is right in his assertion. Sutter probably missed an event. no source has ever proved to be totally comprehensive when dealing with tournament wins.

I've found some new information : in his book Sutter has listed the 1962 Newport(US) winner as Chuck McKinley over Eugene (Gene) Scott on August 18, 1962 and then I've read my November 1962 edition of World Tennis (US) : it confirms Sutter's information : there were some young US players as Ashe or Riessen or Australian players as Stolle in this tournament but Laver didn't even enter it. McCauley has indeed written that Laver has won 22 tournaments but he hasn't listed them. If he is right then it is another tournament but which ?

Thank you for the input. Sadly, the Hall of Fame webside has no list of former Newport winners. By the way, there were two Newports with tennis tournaments, one in Wales, one in Rhode Island. Maybe the list of Newport (USA) Men's Invitational winners of the Encyclopedia of Tennis, p.260, is not trustful. I will check other sources
Maybe urban, jonathan, andrewtas or jeffrey can help you...
 
#15
Lavers 1962 Tournaments

Laver played 36 tournaments during the 1962 calendar year, won 22 and was runner-up 6 times. Here is the list of tournaments he played in chronological order, and the person he defeated in the final or lost to in an earlier round. The first event (Manly Seaside) finished on January 2 1962, while the last (Victorian State) finished on December 15 1962. Laver also played in the Davis Cup Challenge Round in Brisbane on December 26-28. He then became a professional. The Newport title in 1962 (August 13-19) was won by McKinley over Gene Scott 64 64 64. Laver did not play in the USA that summer until the US Championships.

W MANLY SEASIDE HEWITT 63 63
W AUSTRALIAN CHAMPS EMERSON 86 06 64 64
W TASMANIAN FRASER 64 06 06 64 62
SF US INDOOR MCKINLEY 60 64 64
RU MEXICO CITY SANTANA 63 64 57 75
QF MIAMI RUBINOFF 36 63 61
RU CARIBE HILTON EMERSON 75 75
RU ST PETERSBURG EMERSON 61 64 61
W HOUSTON EMERSON 61 75 75
RU MONTEGO BAY EMERSON 86 75 46 36 62
SF BARRANQUILLA SANTANA 5 SETS
W CARACAS EMERSON 97 62 60
W CONNAUGHT MULLIGAN 46 64 64
W BOURNEMOUTH CROOKENDEN 63 63 63
W PALERMO FRASER 64 62 46 61
W ITALIAN CHAMPS EMERSON 62 16 36 63 61
W LUGANO KRISHNAN 64 62
W FRENCH CHAMPS EMERSON 36 26 63 97 62
SF STOCKHOLM SCHMIDT 64 63 60
SF BRISTOL PALAFOX 97 75
W QUEENS EMERSON 64 75
W WIMBLEDON MULLIGAN 62 62 61
W IRISH WILSON WO
W GSTAAD FRASER 64 64 86
W NORWEGIAN LUNDQUIST 61 46 64 63
W DUTCH KRISHNAN 46 63 63 75
QF KITZBUHEL BUDING 61 46 75
W GERMAN CHAMPS SANTANA 86 75 64
W US CHAMPS EMERSON 62 64 57 64
RU PACIFIC SOUTHWEST EMERSON 16 64 63
W QUEENSLAND HC FLETCHER 86 63
W AUSTRALIAN HC STOLLE 62 26 64 46 86
RU QUEENSLAND CHAMPS HEWITT 16 63 64 16 75
QF SOUTH AUSTRALIAN NEWCOMBE 63 68 64
SF NSW CHAMPS FRASER 63 86 36 75
W VICTORIAN CHAMPS FRASER 36 97 61 68 60
 
#17
Laver played 36 tournaments during the 1962 calendar year, won 22 and was runner-up 6 times. Here is the list of tournaments he played in chronological order, and the person he defeated in the final or lost to in an earlier round. The first event (Manly Seaside) finished on January 2 1962, while the last (Victorian State) finished on December 15 1962. Laver also played in the Davis Cup Challenge Round in Brisbane on December 26-28. He then became a professional. The Newport title in 1962 (August 13-19) was won by McKinley over Gene Scott 64 64 64. Laver did not play in the USA that summer until the US Championships.

W MANLY SEASIDE HEWITT 63 63
W AUSTRALIAN CHAMPS EMERSON 86 06 64 64
W TASMANIAN FRASER 64 06 06 64 62
SF US INDOOR MCKINLEY 60 64 64
RU MEXICO CITY SANTANA 63 64 57 75
QF MIAMI RUBINOFF 36 63 61
RU CARIBE HILTON EMERSON 75 75
RU ST PETERSBURG EMERSON 61 64 61
W HOUSTON EMERSON 61 75 75
RU MONTEGO BAY EMERSON 86 75 46 36 62
SF BARRANQUILLA SANTANA 5 SETS
W CARACAS EMERSON 97 62 60
W CONNAUGHT MULLIGAN 46 64 64
W BOURNEMOUTH CROOKENDEN 63 63 63
W PALERMO FRASER 64 62 46 61
W ITALIAN CHAMPS EMERSON 62 16 36 63 61
W LUGANO KRISHNAN 64 62
W FRENCH CHAMPS EMERSON 36 26 63 97 62
SF STOCKHOLM SCHMIDT 64 63 60
SF BRISTOL PALAFOX 97 75
W QUEENS EMERSON 64 75
W WIMBLEDON MULLIGAN 62 62 61
W IRISH WILSON WO
W GSTAAD FRASER 64 64 86
W NORWEGIAN LUNDQUIST 61 46 64 63
W DUTCH KRISHNAN 46 63 63 75
QF KITZBUHEL BUDING 61 46 75
W GERMAN CHAMPS SANTANA 86 75 64
W US CHAMPS EMERSON 62 64 57 64
RU PACIFIC SOUTHWEST EMERSON 16 64 63
W QUEENSLAND HC FLETCHER 86 63
W AUSTRALIAN HC STOLLE 62 26 64 46 86
RU QUEENSLAND CHAMPS HEWITT 16 63 64 16 75
QF SOUTH AUSTRALIAN NEWCOMBE 63 68 64
SF NSW CHAMPS FRASER 63 86 36 75
W VICTORIAN CHAMPS FRASER 36 97 61 68 60
Awesome stats!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#21
BBC2 win is a 4 man event.

Urban is right, neither the ITF or ATp have full draws for some of the events they have listed; they are just copying from the 1969 world of tennis yearbook, which usually only lists results from the qf onwards.


jeffrey
If Pepsi counts for ATP, this exo must count too!!! HA!
 
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#27
The most tournaments cited in 1969 were not 8 men events. The ITF, following the World of Tennis yearbooks, have stats, which start only at the quarterfinal, but the real draws were bigger. Wembley had a 64 draw,Philadeladephia a 32 draw; Boston ditto (at least 20 men). Fort Worth a 16 men draw, ditto Los Angeles. The problem of the 17 or 18 for Laver in 69 is the counting of the BBC 2 tournament at Wembley in April, which was indeed a four man event, featuring Laver, Rosewall, Okker and Roche. The people Laver beat in those quarters, semis and finals were all top ten or top 15.
Like I posted before, I agree with you about BBC2, but what do you think about Rye Harrison in 77? (8 man draw from what I see from AndrewTas data)
 
#28
Laver's 1969 record. Compare for yourselves if the tournaments he played should all be recognised.

Tournaments Played 32
Tournaments Won 18
Tournaments Runner-Up 5
Tournament Singles Win-Loss 102-15 (missing 1 singles win during 31 match winning streak after Queens until the Pacific SouthWest)

Reported (by Bud Collins) Win-Loss 106-16 (18 tournaments from 32 tournaments).
This total includes one-night stands between Laver and Emerson/ Gonzales and Rosewall. Laver had two wins over Gonzales, one win over Emerson and a loss against Rosewall.

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January 13-19 1969
Sydney Australia

1R defeated J Rouyer 61 61 64
2R defeated Ray MOORE 63 62 61
QF defeated Roger TAYLOR 5-7 8-6 6-2 6-3
SF defeated John NEWCOMBE 6-1 6-3 7-5
Final Lost to Tony ROCHE 4-6 6-4 7-9 10-12

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January 20-27 1969
Australian Open Australia

R64 BYE
R32 defeated Massimo DI DOMENICO 6-2 6-3 6-3
R16 defeated Roy EMERSON 6-2 6-4 3-6 9-7
QF defeated Fred STOLLE 6-4 18-16 6-4
SF defeated Tony ROCHE 7-5 22-20 9-11 1-6 6-3
Final defeated Andres GIMENO 6-3 6-4 7-5

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January 29 - February 2 1969
Auckland New Zealand

1R defeated H Broun 64 60 64
2R defeated DM Simmonds 1210 75 63
QF defeated Tomas LEJUS 6-3 4-6 4-6 6-3 7-5
SF defeated Brian FAIRLIE 6-3 6-3 3-6 7-5
Final Lost to Tony ROCHE 61 64 46 63

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February 3-9 1969
Philadelphia USA

R32 defeated Barthes 6-3 6-1
R16 defeated Buchholz 6-1 7-5
QF defeated Pasarell 6-1 6-3
SF defeated Rosewall 6-4 6-2
F defeated Roche 7-5 6-4 6-4

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February 10-11 1969
Orlando

SF defeated Gonzales 97 62
F defeated Rosewall 64 62

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February 12-13 1969
Miami USA

QF defeated Roy EMERSON 5-7 6-3 6-4
SF defeated Tom OKKER w/o
Final Lost to Tony ROCHE 63 97 64

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February 23-26 1969
Oakland USA

QF defeated Dennis RALSTON 2-6 6-3 6-2
SF defeated Ken ROSEWALL 6-3 6-3
Final Lost to Tony ROCHE 46 64 119

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February 28 1969
Portland Pro (One-night stand)

Laver d. Gonzales 75 68 86

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March 3-8 1969
Los Angeles USA

1R BYE
QF defeated Dennis RALSTON 5-6 6-3 6-2
SF defeated John NEWCOMBE 6-2 6-4
Final defeated Marty RIESSEN 6-4 10-8

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March 25-29 1969
New York USA
Madison Square Garden Open

1R Lost to Cliff RICHEY 64 36 63

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April 1-12 1969
South African Open Johannesburg

R128 BYE
R64 defeated Rauty KROG 7-5 6-3 6-4
R32 defeated Alan SCHWARZ 6-0 6-3 3-6 6-1
R16 defeated Frew MCMILLAN 6-2 6-4 6-2
QF defeated Bob HEWITT 6-2 6-4 6-2
SF defeated Cliff DRYSDALE 6-1 1-6 6-1 6-2
Final defeated Tom OKKER 6-3 10-8 6-3

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April 25-27 1969
Anaheim California
Pacific Pro RR

RR defeated Holmberg 25-10 25-13
RR defeated Olmedo 25-16 25-23

SF defeated Ralston

F defeated Holmberg 31-16 31-18
(NYT has 25-10 26-24 25-14)

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May 4-10 1969
Tokyo RR

Group A
Lost to Emerson 65 64
defeated Riessen 62 56 63
defeated Ralston 65 63
defeated Holmberg 62 62

3rd Place
defeated Buchholz 56 62 65

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May 17-19 1969
New York
Madison Square Gardens Pro

Round Robin
RR defeated Moore 8-1
RR defeated Stolle 8-2
RR defeated Riessen 8-4

F defeated Emerson 62 46 61

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May 21 1969
BBC2 World Professional Championships, Wembley

SF defeated Okker 10-5
F defeated Rosewall 86 60

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May 22-25 1969
Amsterdam & Eindhoven

Netherlands Pro RR
Lost to Gimeno 63 62
defeated Ralston 75 62
defeated Rosewall 62 16 63

3rd Place
Lost to Roche 63 36 62

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May 26 - June 8 1969
French Open

R128 defeated Koji WATANABE 6-1 6-1 6-1
R64 defeated Dick CREALY 3-6 7-9 6-2 6-2 6-4
R32 defeated Pietro MARZANO 6-1 6-0 8-6
R16 defeated Stan SMITH 6-4 6-2 6-4
QF defeated Andres GIMENO 3-6 6-3 6-4 6-3
SF defeated Tom OKKER 4-6 6-0 6-2 6-4
Final defeated Ken ROSEWALL 6-4 6-3 6-4

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June 9-14 1969
Bristol Great Britain

1R BYE
2R defeated Zlatco Ivancic 60 64
3R Lost to Cliff Drysdale 46 62 75

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June 16-21 1969
Queen's Great Britain

R64 defeated Curtis 6-4 6-2
R32 defeated Addison 8-6 6-2
R16 defeated Pilic 6-3 4-6 6-2
QF defeated Pasarell 3-6 7-5 6-1
SF Lost to Newcombe 64 64

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June 23 – July 5 1969
Wimbledon

R128 defeated Nicola PIETRANGELI 6-1 6-2 6-2
R64 defeated Premjit LALL 3-6 4-6 6-3 6-0 6-0
R32 defeated January LESCHLY 6-3 6-3 6-3
R16 defeated Stan SMITH 6-4 6-2 7-9 3-6 6-3
QF defeated Cliff DRYSDALE 6-4 6-2 6-3
SF defeated Arthur ASHE 2-6 6-2 9-7 6-0
Final defeated John NEWCOMBE 6-4 5-7 6-4 6-4
 
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July 9-15 1969
Boston USA

1R defeated Ray Moore 62 62
QF defeated Tom OKKER 6-3 3-6 10-8
SF defeated Ken ROSEWALL 6-3 5-7 6-2 6-3
F defeated John NEWCOMBE 7-5 6-2 4-6 6-1

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August 5-6 1969
ST Louis Pro

SF defeated Olmedo or Segura
F defeated Stolle 75 36 75

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August 8-10 1969
Binghamton Pro RR

Round-Robin Stage
RR defeated Stolle unknown score
RR defeated Segura 75 61
RR defeated Gonzales 61 62

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August 13-17 1969
Fort Worth USA

QF defeated Ray MOORE 4-6 8-6 6-3
SF defeated Tom OKKER 2-6 6-3 6-2
Final defeated Ken ROSEWALL 6-3 6-2

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August 21-24 1969
Baltimore RR

Round-Robin
RR defeated Gimeno 64 63 46 61
RR defeated Stolle unknown score

F defeated Gonzales 63 36 75 46 86

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August 29 – September 9 1969
U.S. Open

R128 defeated Luis-Augusto GARCIA 6-2 6-4 6-2
R64 defeated Jaime PINTO-BRAVO 6-4 7-5 6-2
R32 defeated Jaime FILLOL 8-6 6-1 6-2
R16 defeated Dennis RALSTON 6-4 4-6 4-6 6-2 6-3
QF defeated Roy EMERSON 4-6 8-6 13-11 6-4
SF defeated Arthur ASHE 8-6 6-3 14-12
Final defeated Tony ROCHE 7-9 6-1 6-2 6-2

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September 15-21 1969
Los Angeles USA

R64 defeated Van Dillen 6-4 6-4
R32 Lost to Ray MOORE 75 36 62

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October 6-12 1969
Las Vegas USA

R32 defeated Jim McManus 63 60
R16 defeated Andres GIMENO 4-6 8-6 6-2
QF Lost to Stan SMITH 62 64

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October 18-20 1969
Cologne Cup Germany

1R Lost to Marty RIESSEN 64 1012 97

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November 7-9 1969
Barcelona RR

RR defeated Stolle 75 62 86
RR Lost to Gimeno 108 26 36 64 61

Laver played with Emerson in a two team event. Stolle and Gimeno defeated Laver and Emerson by 3 matches to 2.

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November 17-22 1969
Wembley

1R defeated Marty Riessen 64 64
2R defeated John Clifton 60 61
QF defeated Roger TAYLOR 16-14 10-8
SF defeated Tom OKKER 8-6 6-2
Final defeated Tony ROCHE 6-4 6-1 6-3

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November 24-29 1969
Stockholm Sweden

R32 defeated Leif JOHANSSON 3-6 6-3 6-1
R16 defeated Ray MOORE 6-4 6-4
QF Lost to Fred STOLLE 75 810 64

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December 2 1969
Madrid Pro

SF defeated Emerson 10-4
Final defeated Taylor 63 62

One day tournament.


So Orlando, BBC2, St Louis and Madrid were all four man tournaments.
 
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Q&M son

Professional
#30
Thanks Andrew.

In my opinion, it's clear that some of that events don't "deserve" be recognized. I'm not saying that the tournaments were exo's, but 4 man draw. I always felt like this about small tournies, it just my thought.

But, well, if you look ATP stats they take Pepsi GSC on the 70's, so...

And remember that Vilas had a final not held against Borg in 77 too, in Johannesburg (it's probably Bjorn to win that, but, who knows).

Andrew or jeffrey, about Nasty in 73, had some events with a draw of 4 man? Do have the 17 titles(like jeffrey said) for that year?
 
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#33
laver's wins in 1969

Thank you andrew for a full list of laver's 1969 record. I had never seen the madrid draw before. I think you have the baltimore structure slightly wrong. I think this event consisted of 2 round robin groups of 3 with the winners of each group meeting in the final. Laver beat stolle and gimeno in his group. Gonzales emerged as the winner of his group (overcoming Emerson and Rosewall) and then played laver in the final.


Andrew it would be very helpful if you could please fill out the details on these Laver wins by adding final opponent, final score and date (I know from your tournament lists that you do attempt to collect this information)


1956 brisbane metropolitan

1957 redcliffe, central queensland

1958 redcliffe, nambour, southport

1959 central queensland

1960 wynnum, nambour

1963 rhodesian, johannesburg

1965 la paz

1966 durban

1967 montreal




Concerning nastase's wins I think all the events were at least 8 players, even the non-main tour events in Kingston and Istanbul


jeffrey
 
#34
Thank you andrew for a full list of laver's 1969 record. I had never seen the madrid draw before. I think you have the baltimore structure slightly wrong. I think this event consisted of 2 round robin groups of 3 with the winners of each group meeting in the final. Laver beat stolle and gimeno in his group. Gonzales emerged as the winner of his group (overcoming Emerson and Rosewall) and then played laver in the final.


Andrew it would be very helpful if you could please fill out the details on these Laver wins by adding final opponent, final score and date (I know from your tournament lists that you do attempt to collect this information)


1956 brisbane metropolitan

1957 redcliffe, central queensland

1958 redcliffe, nambour, southport

1959 central queensland

1960 wynnum, nambour

1963 rhodesian, johannesburg

1965 la paz

1966 durban

1967 montreal


jeffrey
Thanks Jeffreyneave. I made some wrong conclusions about the 1969 Baltimore event. Here is what I have for Laver's in those events you mentioned. By any chance do you have the full results of the Baltimore event for all players (scores).


1956 brisbane metropolitan

No information about tournament. The win was sourced from Joe McCauley through another person. I have tried to confirm win.

1957

February 24-25, March 2-3 1957
Redcliffe QLD Tournament

MF defeated B Green 61 64

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April 19-22 1957
Central Queensland Championships, Rockhampton

MF defeated K Fletcher 75 63


1958

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February 22-23, March 1-2 1958
Redcliffe QLD Tournament

1R defeated L Hasten 61 64
MF defeated G Gaydon 46 64 63

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May 4-6 1958
Maroochy Tennis Championships, Nambour QLD

QF defeated J Moore 61 61 (could be 1R)
SF defeated R Howe 36 86 64
MF defeated Mal Anderson 63 62

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October 5, 12-13 1958
South Coast Championships, Southport QLD

1R defeated J Moore 60 62
2R defeated J Shepherd 36 63 64
SF defeated K Fletcher 2 sets
MF defeated N Gibson 79 63 64

1959

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March 27-30 1959
Central Queensland Championships, Rockhampton

MF defeated F Gorman 61 62


1960

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March 26-27 – April 2-3 1960
Wynnum QLD Tennis Championships

2R defeated G Hughes 62 26 64
MF defeated N Gibson 63 60

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April 30 – May 1-2 1960
Maroochy Tennis Championships, Nambour QLD

QF defeated L Hasted 75 57 61
MF defeated K Fletcher 36 75 63



1963

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October 5-6 1963
Rhodesian Pro Champs Salisbury & Bulawayo

1R defeated Mackay from 57 15 down
SF defeated Buchholz 61 62
F defeated Olmedo 63 108

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October 10-12 1963
Johannesburg Pro Champs

1R defeated Ayala unknown score
SF defeated Olmedo 63 46 86
F defeated Davies 46 86 62


1965

la paz
No information about date of event. The event was a four man event and Laver defeated Gimeno in the final. Sourced from another person.

1966

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October 26-28 1966
Natal Pro (East London and Durban)

1R defeated Anderson
SF defeated Davies 63 64
F defeated Gimeno 61 63

1967

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March 30-31 1967
Montreal Pro Champs

1R defeated Barthes 10-7
SF defeated Gonzales 10-7
F defeated Ralston 17-15 6-0
 
#35
Thanks for those substantial informations, Andrew. I always found it somewhat strange, that Laver would have won his first event in a major championships, the Australian 1960. I think, only Guga Kuerten did that, winning the FO in 1997. Seems, that at least the Nambour and Southport events had quite good draws with people like Mal Anderson (top 3 amateur those years), Bob Howe and Ken Fletcher.
 
#37
laver's wins

Thank you andrew for the information.


concerning baltimore, the results I have are

Emerson beat Rosewall 3-6,4-6,7-5,6-4,6-3
Laver beat Gimeno
stolle beat Gimeno
Gonzales beat Emerson
Laver beat stolle


I would also assume Gonzales beat Rosewall to reach the final, but with roundrobins its not certain.


Laver beat Segura 7-5 ,6-1 at Binghampton 1969.



jeffrey
 
#38
I will try to get La Paz 1965 results.
There are a few South American results (and dates of tournaments) from 1968 which seem to be hard to find. Maybe you can help here too.

March 18-20 1968
NTL Sao Paulo
Gonzales/ Gimeno/ Laver and Stolle played but no results are known.

The troupe played this tournament afterwards.

March 23-25
NTL Buenos Aires

1R Gonzales d Gimeno 6-2,3-6,7-5
1R Laver d Stolle 6-4,7-5

F Laver d Gonzales 7-5,5-7,6-4

No. 3 Gimeno d Stolle 8-10,6-4,7-5

The following tournaments were played in South America and Joe McCauley stated they were played in November but I believe they were playing sometime in October as the troupe played in the South American Champs (Nov 4-10) and Wembley (Nov 15-21) afterwards.

NTL Sao Paulo RR .

Emerson d Gimeno 10-8,9-7
Laver d Stolle 1-6,6-4,6-2
Stolle d Emerson 6-1,6-2
Laver d Gimeno 6-2,2-6,6-3
Gimeno d Stolle 10-8,6-2
Laver d Emerson 6-1,10-8

Final standings

1 Laver 3:0
2 Gimeno 1:2
2 Stolle 1:2
2 Emerson 1:2

November 1-3?
NTL La Paz

Emerson d Stolle 6-2,6-4
Laver d Gimeno 6-4,3-6,7-5
Gimeno d Emerson 6-1,4-6,6-4
Laver d Stolle 6-3,5-7,9-7
Stolle d Gimeno 6-3,2-6,6-4
Laver d Emerson 6-4,6-2

Final standings

1 Laver 3:0
2 Gimeno 1:2
2 Stolle 1:2
2 Emerson 1:2


NTL Lima RR .

Emerson d Laver 8-6,6-4
Stolle d Gimeno 2-6,6-2,6-3
Gimeno d Emerson 6-1,6-4
Stolle d Laver 4-6,6-3,6-2
Stolle d Emerson 6-4,6-3
Gimeno d Laver 6-1,6-2

Final standings

1 Stolle 3:0
2 Gimeno 2:1
3 Emerson 1:2
4 Laver 0:3

By the way the results from NTL Moscow tournament which was played in August are also unknown.
 
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#39
Regarding these La Paz results. In the Laver book "Education of a Tennis Player" is a description of a La Paz match between Laver and Gimeno (for prize money and a gold watch), where both players began to bleed from their nostrils, due to the extreme high. I wondered often, when this match happened, in 1965, or in 68, when the NTL played these South American tours. Interesting is the comment of Andrew, that the NTL also played a Moscow event. I know, that the pros played in Prague in 67 (where Navratilova saw her idol Laver and modelled her game after him), bit didn't know about a Moscow event.
 
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Q&M son

Professional
#40
There are a few South American results (and dates of tournaments) from 1968 which seem to be hard to find. Maybe you can help here too.

March 18-20 1968
NTL Sao Paulo
Gonzales/ Gimeno/ Laver and Stolle played but no results are known.

The troupe played this tournament afterwards.

March 23-25
NTL Buenos Aires

1R Gonzales d Gimeno 6-2,3-6,7-5
1R Laver d Stolle 6-4,7-5

F Laver d Gonzales 7-5,5-7,6-4

No. 3 Gimeno d Stolle 8-10,6-4,7-5

The following tournaments were played in South America and Joe McCauley stated they were played in November but I believe they were playing sometime in October as the troupe played in the South American Champs (Nov 4-10) and Wembley (Nov 15-21) afterwards.

NTL Sao Paulo RR .

Emerson d Gimeno 10-8,9-7
Laver d Stolle 1-6,6-4,6-2
Stolle d Emerson 6-1,6-2
Laver d Gimeno 6-2,2-6,6-3
Gimeno d Stolle 10-8,6-2
Laver d Emerson 6-1,10-8

Final standings

1 Laver 3:0
2 Gimeno 1:2
2 Stolle 1:2
2 Emerson 1:2

November 1-3?
NTL La Paz

Emerson d Stolle 6-2,6-4
Laver d Gimeno 6-4,3-6,7-5
Gimeno d Emerson 6-1,4-6,6-4
Laver d Stolle 6-3,5-7,9-7
Stolle d Gimeno 6-3,2-6,6-4
Laver d Emerson 6-4,6-2

Final standings

1 Laver 3:0
2 Gimeno 1:2
2 Stolle 1:2
2 Emerson 1:2


NTL Lima RR .

Emerson d Laver 8-6,6-4
Stolle d Gimeno 2-6,6-2,6-3
Gimeno d Emerson 6-1,6-4
Stolle d Laver 4-6,6-3,6-2
Stolle d Emerson 6-4,6-3
Gimeno d Laver 6-1,6-2

Final standings

1 Stolle 3:0
2 Gimeno 2:1
3 Emerson 1:2
4 Laver 0:3

By the way the results from NTL Moscow tournament which was played in August are also unknown.
Still trying to get those. Weary but never defeated.
 
#41
Borg won 21 titles in 1979. Most don't win that many in a career.

Actually you can argue that Borg's year in 1979 was better than some Hall of Famer's careers like Patrick Rafter. Rafter won 11 total singles titles and 2 majors. Borg in 1979 won the French, Wimbledon, the Canadian, the Year End Masters and 17 other tournaments so Borg's year in 1979 may very well be better than Rafter's career in some ways.
 
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Q&M son

Professional
#42
Borg won 21 titles in 1979. Most don't win that many in a career.

Actually you can argue that Borg's year in 1979 was better than some Hall of Famer's careers like Patrick Rafter. Rafter won 11 total singles titles and 2 majors. Borg in 1979 won the French, Wimbledon, the Canadian, the Year End Masters and 17 other tournaments so Borg's year in 1979 may very well be better than Rafter's career in some ways.
pc1 are you sure about 21? Not 22?
From what I read here, Laver in 62 and Borg in 79 were equals in 22 singles events won in a year
 
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