One singles, two doubles for all levels 18 and over USTA

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
These are the rules for my region, as printed. Keep in mind that this is only my region, so the teams which advance to sectionals have to field a normal team of 2 singles and 3 doubles.

Basically if you are under 40, and not a cheater/ringer you can't play singles, and if you are below the middle of the pack for your level, you can't play at all.

There are clubs planning on having 4+ teams at the 3.0-4.0 levels. Imagine a single club with 5 or 6 3.5 teams?

This is the dumbest thing the USTA has ever done, and possibly the lamest, or second lamest.

I thought it was a stupid format in 5.0 and we should have played 2 singles and 3 doubles, (ok, yes because I would have liked to play #2 singles on a 5.0 team since I only got to play singles a couple of matches per year, and played mostly doubles, but that doesn't mean there are not players like me on all teams of all levels) but it was manageable in 5.0 because of the fewer number of players; it will be a nightmare in 3.5&4.0.

***I used a semicolon for something other than to make a "winky face" please hold your applause until the end***

In 2012 there were 21 3.5 teams comprising 320 players. They split one county up into two flights of 8 teams, and the other county was one flight of 5 teams. There were 22 4.0 teams comprising 340 players, one county of 14 teams, one county of 8 teams.

There were 13 4.5 teams!

How are you going to schedule matches for 35+ 3.5 and 4.0 teams?

The rosters will be smaller, so the same people will have to play most of the matches; it is the rare recreational league player that will want to play a USTA match twice or even three times per week. Not even considering the availability of indoor court times.

***ZOMG! I did it again!***

I certainly don't want to play two or more matches at 9pm during the week.

These counties are not big geographically, the two furthest clubs from each other are an hour away with no traffic. I live near the line of the two counties and can get to all but two clubs in under 40 minutes.

The 18 & Over League shall consist of teams at the 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5 and 5.0+ levels. 5.0 teams may have two players at a 5.5 level on the team. As this is a three court match, only one 5.5 player may play in each match and it must be at the 1st singles or 1st doubles position. All levels in the 18 & over league will be one court of singles and two courts of doubles with a roster limit of 14. Teams must be prepared to play 2 courts of singles and three courts of doubles at Championships (starting with Regionals). The 40& Over League shall consist of teams at the 3.0, 3.5, 4.0 and 4.5+ levels. 4.5 teams may have two players with a 5.0 rating. As this is a five court match, both players may play in the same match but can only play in the 1st singles and 1st doubles positions. All levels in the 40 & over league will be two courts of singles and three courts of doubles which will carry through to Championships with roster limit of 18.

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OrangePower

Legend
Norcal is using this 1 + 2 format for the new 40+ leagues, which are currently taking place.

I think it is super dumb for pretty much the same reasons as you've laid out.

One more thing... the rosters actually have to be large enough to be able to field a 2 + 5 lineup come sectionals. So at least for those teams that think they have a shot at sectionals, they have to qualify enough people for a full lineup, which of course means less matches for everyone.

Apparently this was done in Norcal because of court availability considerations.

Oh well - I decided to sit out the 40+ season in protest.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
^^^ Yup, I mentioned the full rosters for sectionals in the first paragraph. It almost makes sense for the 40+ teams, because you assume less players, but all the 40+ guys are going to be playing on the 18+ teams also.

So dumb.

I do like the two players above the highest level thing though, so at least guys who get bumped to 5.5 have a place to play.

J
 

dizzlmcwizzl

Hall of Fame
To be honest I think finding enough captains may be the biggest hurdle when you reduce roster size. The bottom portion of the level is just not going to find a team to play on.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
To be honest I think finding enough captains may be the biggest hurdle when you reduce roster size. The bottom portion of the level is just not going to find a team to play on.

Yup, nobody wants to captain now; nobody in their right mind anyway.

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g4driver

Legend
When does this league of 1 Singles /2 Doubles start?

Your area sounds very similar in size to our area. 388 3.5 guys on 29 teams, and 289 4.0 guys on 20 teams. This 1 +2 would be a nightmare for our guys also.

So instead of five courts of 2 & 3, it is likely your area will get twice as many teams that will need six courts now, or like you wrote, guys will either play a lot of matches for their team, or sit on the bench.

Agree, this is a very bad call by your local league.

What was your local league's written intended purpose for this change?
To reduce the number of courts required? To break up teams? To discourage tennis?

4.5+ at 40+ is a completely differently animal due to the smaller number of players at 4.5/5.0 and trying to force this model into 3.5 and 4.0 appears to be a major failure by your league.

Glad you are a 5.0 Jolly :)
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
When does this league of 1 Singles /2 Doubles start?

Your area sounds very similar in size to our area. 388 3.5 guys on 29 teams, and 289 4.0 guys on 20 teams. This 1 +2 would be a nightmare for our guys also.

So instead of five courts of 2 & 3, it is likely your area will get twice as many teams that will need six courts now, or like you wrote, guys will either play a lot of matches for their team, or sit on the bench.

Agree, this is a very bad call by your local league.

What was your local league's written intended purpose for this change?
To reduce the number of courts required? To break up teams? To discourage tennis?

4.5+ at 40+ is a completely differently animal due to the smaller number of players at 4.5/5.0 and trying to force this model into 3.5 and 4.0 appears to be a major failure by your league.

Glad you are a 5.0 Jolly :)

I got bumped down to 4.5! Was looking forward to playing on a team with a bunch of my 4.5 buddies as well as 5.0 this year.

Now I kind of want to appeal up to 5.0 after mixed season lol.

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asimple

Semi-Pro
Norcal is using this 1 + 2 format for the new 40+ leagues, which are currently taking place.

I think it is super dumb for pretty much the same reasons as you've laid out.

One more thing... the rosters actually have to be large enough to be able to field a 2 + 5 lineup come sectionals. So at least for those teams that think they have a shot at sectionals, they have to qualify enough people for a full lineup, which of course means less matches for everyone.

Apparently this was done in Norcal because of court availability considerations.

Oh well - I decided to sit out the 40+ season in protest.

I'm playing the 4.0 and 4.5+ in Norcal right now, and kind of like this lineup. Both teams are big enough to field a larger lineup in general, but people in this age group seem to be busier and are not available for all the matches making the scheduling a bit more difficuit. In the case of the 4.5+ team, I believe their are only 6 teams in our group, and I don't think any of them could really field a strong 8 man team. There even tends to be a big drop off between the singles and #1 doubles and a further one to the #2 doubles.

I'm really enjoying the 40+ league though, as things are competitive, but controlled as most people in this age group have realized that their Wimbledon dreams are long gone and are there to have fun.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Our league coordinator replied to pickle and said that if they did the 1&2 format in 40+ it would ruin 4.5 because the 2 5.0 players would take 2/5 of the match spots no none of the normal 40+ 4.5s would get to play.

I say they could play the 18+ league as they had for the past 10 years...

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JLyon

Hall of Fame
if they did the 2 & 1 format at 40+ they would be limited to only one 5.0 playing at a time in a match, much like how the 5.0+ is setup with the 5.5 players. so it is actually only 1/5 not 2/5.
I have been arguing for years anyways though that they would get more interest at 5.0 if they made it 2/3 just like the rest of the league.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
if they did the 2 & 1 format at 40+ they would be limited to only one 5.0 playing at a time in a match, much like how the 5.0+ is setup with the 5.5 players. so it is actually only 1/5 not 2/5.
I have been arguing for years anyways though that they would get more interest at 5.0 if they made it 2/3 just like the rest of the league.

I agree totally, I say make it 5.0+ and 2/3. Let everyone field the best team they can. All the guys who were rated 5.0/6.0/6.5 in 2005 appealed down to 5.0 anyway, so it is dumb to kick out the 2 or so guys who got bumped to 5.5 each year.

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asimple

Semi-Pro
if they did the 2 & 1 format at 40+ they would be limited to only one 5.0 playing at a time in a match, much like how the 5.0+ is setup with the 5.5 players. so it is actually only 1/5 not 2/5.
I have been arguing for years anyways though that they would get more interest at 5.0 if they made it 2/3 just like the rest of the league.

I think at 40+ there is a slightly different subset of the 5.0 players. The guys in our league are definitely strong players, but are more control players rather than big hitters, and are definitely not anywhere near college form. The players with the best records for singles are actually a couple of 4.5 players.

This format does limit singles time for 4.5 players (or in my case 4.0), as I am probably 3rd on the list, but I still like it better as the quality of play is much better in general.
 

OrangePower

Legend
I'm playing the 4.0 and 4.5+ in Norcal right now, and kind of like this lineup. Both teams are big enough to field a larger lineup in general, but people in this age group seem to be busier and are not available for all the matches making the scheduling a bit more difficuit. In the case of the 4.5+ team, I believe their are only 6 teams in our group, and I don't think any of them could really field a strong 8 man team. There even tends to be a big drop off between the singles and #1 doubles and a further one to the #2 doubles.

I'm really enjoying the 40+ league though, as things are competitive, but controlled as most people in this age group have realized that their Wimbledon dreams are long gone and are there to have fun.

I think maybe it is a chicken and egg situation: On the one hand the lack of teams/players you describe seems to justify having smaller lineups, but on the other hand, I think that the sucky format has put off a lot of people (like myself), and so participation is much lower than it otherwise would be.

I agree with you about the big drop off between the lines, and that's also a problem for me, and a reason I'm not playing. Playing in 4.5+, if I play singles, there is a good chance of opponent being a 5.0, for whom I am not going to be much of a challenge. Conversely, in dubs I could well be playing against a 4.0 playing up, which is not much fun for me (no offense to you).

It's a pity, because I had high hopes for 40+, for the reasons you mentioned: people are realistic about their tennis and want things to be competitive but fun. But the format has IMO ruined it from what it could have been.
 
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asimple

Semi-Pro
I agree with you about the big drop off between the lines, and that's also a problem for me, and a reason I'm not playing. Playing in 4.5+, if I play singles, there is a good chance of opponent being a 5.0, for whom I am not going to be much of a challenge. Conversely, in dubs I could well be playing against a 4.0 playing up, which is not much fun for me (no offense to you).

None taken.

Although I am 4-1 at 4.5+ (9-1 in general) with my only loss being a singles loss in 3 sets to a good 5.0 player. My guess is there is the potential you wouldn't be having fun for another reason :).

I don't think the playing up is as much of a problem as in the regular league though. I just think some of the guys in the league are on the weaker 4.5 side because they are not in as good of shape as when they are younger. I definitely recommend playing it next year.
 

Pickle9

Professional
Email I sent to league coordinator:

Hello,

My name is M and I joined the USTA this past year to play tournaments and hopefully find a team to play on for the Men's League this summer, because I enjoy playing tennis. I have never been involved in a USTA League but some of my friends have and so I have watched for the past few years. The match format up to 4.5 has always been 2 singles and 3 doubles for as long as I am aware. I understand it was 1 singles and 2 doubles for 5.0 because there is a problem of getting enough players since it changed from Open.

This past winter I heard that the USTA was splitting up the leagues by age, into 18+ and 40+. I do not think anybody thought this was a bad idea. The NTRP system separates players by skill but unfortunately it doesn't factor in age, which usually is the difference between two evenly matched players, skill-wise, if player A is twice player B's age it is not a fair fight and apparently enough people have expressed that.

I am sure you are thinking why is he explaining something to me I already know and is my job to know? I want to make sure I am on the same page. If I have something wrong in the statement above or anywhere below, please correct me.

A couple of weeks ago a veteran member of a team (I say "veteran" as he has played the league for while now but is in his 30's) told me that the 18+ 4.0 league was going to be 1 singles and 2 doubles, reducing the number of players that participate in a match by basically a 1/3. But the kicker was that the team had to have enough players to play the old format at sectionals and beyond because every other section was keeping the old format. Although you can get by with 8 or 9 players through the season, really you need at least 10, more likely 12-14 or whatever the roster maximum is because of the schedule of matches after the regular season and players' availability. As far as I know, teams want to win so generally they are going to play there best players as many times as possible and throw everybody else in just enough to get them eligible for postseason or if a top player can't make it.

If you look at the amount of players available to each pool (18+ and 40+), theoretically there are twice as many possible participants as available to 18+ leagues than the latter and there are still plenty of 40+ players that want to compete with the younger guys and physically can. If anything, it should be reversed, 40+ should be 1 & 2 with 18+ keeping the previous format. Even this I believe goes against the USTA's mission statement, “To promote and develop the growth of tennis," so I would not want to see this either but at least I could logically follow what the thinking to this was.

Teams that take the league seriously and are trying to win have a good singles player and a good doubles team, the better ones have more, some have less, but the thinking is on any given night you had a chance to win 3 out of 5 matches. There was also the opportunity to give the younger and/or less experienced players (aka not as good, middle of the road types) a chance to play and develop without what could otherwise end up meaning giving up a match. Taking away that #2 singles and #3 doubles kills that. This reminds me of when I graduated from college two years ago and was looking for a job. Every company had openings but they were looking for applicants with experience, 2 years, 5 years, 30 years, whatever. My joke was, everybody is looking for someone with experience (basically someone they don't have to train, they know how to do what they are hired to do, which by the way you do not learn in college), how do you get the "experience" if no one will hire you? I was lucky, less than 5 months after graduation, someone put in a good word for me and I did an internship of sorts and acquired the skills I needed and shortly after was hired.

Back to tennis, are all the #2 singles players and #3 doubles players suppose to band together and make teams so they can play? I do not know what the financial breakdown of leagues are so I do not know what generates more revenue, having more teams of less players so everyone plays more or less teams of more players but I do know clubs only have so much available court time and it takes 1 more court for every 2 teams of 1 singles and 2 doubles than it does for 1 team of 2 singles and 3 doubles. And it looks like some clubs are going to have 8 3.5-4.0 teams because everyone wants to play.

Basically if you are under 40, and not a cheater/ringer you can't play singles, and if you are below the middle of the pack for your level, you can't play at all.

Maybe I am being selfish, I think that I am better than I really am. But at the same time, everyone I have spoken to, from captains to strong players to weaker players, whatever, has expressed the same concerns. I was invited to a team in January and was cut this past weekend because the captain says he just has too many players for 1 singles slot. He said I am no worse than anybody else but not better than the top 2 so there is really not a spot for me and it would not be fair to me to have to pay the registration fee and play 2 matches and sit on the sidelines the rest of the year and hope the team made it to the postseason. How are teams suppose to add in new players if they don't have the flexibility.

My only option to play is to somehow get bumped down 3.5. Again, maybe I am a 3.5 but I answered the questionnaire honestly and it put me at 4.5. I have played 4.5's and I am in no way, shape, or form a 4.5. I think it was because I was part of the Club team at Stony Brook University and the team made it to Nationals. I didn't play any matches that year (my senior year, 2011) but played earlier (2009). I possibly read the question wrong but whatever, I appealed to go down to 4.0 and that was granted. I do not know what to make of my match results from 4.0 tournaments and the 4.0 Fall flex league, but all but one has been competitive, so I am close to where I should be. This is not an appeal to get bumped down to 3.5 (at least right now). I am just venting some frustration to what I thought would be a great experience which has so far has not been pleasant and looking for answers. If you have read all of this, thank you for your time.


I look forward to hearing back from someone,

Sincerely,

Pickle9
USTA# 2010311180

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Reply I received:

Unfortunately, this major change with the age divisions came the same year as a major storm on Long Island. I was in contact with most of the clubs to see how early in May they could give me court time knowing I have always used all they have given me in the past for the old format and I was obviously going to need a lot more with the new format. The answer I got over and over again was.......we definitely can not give more time than in the past, its probably going to be less due to all the makeups that have to be given due to the storm.
Knowing it was going to be impossible to book all these five court matches with such limited time, we knew something had to be 3 courts so we could get two matches played at the same time since most clubs have 6 or more courts. We did our homework and found that the age demographic in the league on Long Island was 86% over the age of 40. We also had to consider in the 40 & Over league that the 4.5 level could have two 5.0's on their team and had we made the 40 & over just three courts, the 4.5 division would be extremely negatively impacted.
Long Island is not the only region that is doing the three court format, I believe they are in New Jersey as well. The regions have to do what they need to, to make the league work in their area. We are hoping this is a one year format due to the limited court time.
As for making the 40 & Over the league 3 courts, honestly, it would have made for many many more players in disagreement with our decision. We did the best we could with what we had to work with.
While I think it is great that there are teams who's goal it is to advance to the next level, there are many many teams that just want to play tennis.

I regret that you are not happy with the way the league is going to run this year, but we do feel it was the best decision with all the aspects we have to consider.

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LI USTA League Coordinator
 

OrangePower

Legend
None taken.

Although I am 4-1 at 4.5+ (9-1 in general) with my only loss being a singles loss in 3 sets to a good 5.0 player. My guess is there is the potential you wouldn't be having fun for another reason :).

I don't think the playing up is as much of a problem as in the regular league though. I just think some of the guys in the league are on the weaker 4.5 side because they are not in as good of shape as when they are younger. I definitely recommend playing it next year.

I don't think you are the typical 4.0 playing up though. Let's face it you should have had a 4.5C rating at the end of last year. You are the rare case of a player self-rating correctly at 4.5 and doing relatively well only to get a 4.0C rating! Only reason maybe why is that most of your wins were against 4.0s playing up. There are a heck of a lot of 4.0s who play up in your area which causes all sorts of distortions.

As far as older 4.5s being on the weaker side... take a look at the 4.5 team who represented Norcal at nationals last year, and then look to see how many of these guys are playing 40+ and are thus 'old' :)
 

asimple

Semi-Pro
I don't think you are the typical 4.0 playing up though. Let's face it you should have had a 4.5C rating at the end of last year. You are the rare case of a player self-rating correctly at 4.5 and doing relatively well only to get a 4.0C rating! Only reason maybe why is that most of your wins were against 4.0s playing up. There are a heck of a lot of 4.0s who play up in your area which causes all sorts of distortions.

As far as older 4.5s being on the weaker side... take a look at the 4.5 team who represented Norcal at nationals last year, and then look to see how many of these guys are playing 40+ and are thus 'old' :)

I was actually 5-4 last year (2-0 in singles) with no losses to 4.0 players. I'm not exactly sure what happened, but its not a big deal as I wasn't planning on playing 5.0. It was probably a good thing though as it motivated me to get into better playing shape. I still have a ways to go, but am playing pretty good tennis now.

In terms of weak 4.5s, I should have clarified. There seem to be 2 groups of 4.5s in this age group. The strong group seems to contain ex-competitive players who are still extremely good doubles players. In general, the singles is stronger than 18+, and the 1st doubles is about the same. The 2nd doubles tends to fall off a bit, although my last match was at 2nd doubles against the strongest team I have played since coming back to tennis. We won that match in 3 sets, but have no idea how.

Other than one team all of my matches have been pretty good at this level, and more importantly there was no BS, just friendly competitive tennis.
 

asimple

Semi-Pro
Basically if you are under 40, and not a cheater/ringer you can't play singles, and if you are below the middle of the pack for your level, you can't play at all.

Unfortunately you are not good enough to play singles at this level. Given this you have a few choices. The best ones would be either to work harder and improve your game and/or learn how to play doubles. A worse choice is to complain and then ultimately "cheat" to go down to a lower level.

From the short time I have done leagues, I don't think being a singles only player is a positive for many teams unless you are a ringer especially if you complain. A single only problematic "mid-level" player is probably not any captain's first choice of player.
 

Pickle9

Professional
Unfortunately you are not good enough to play singles at this level. Given this you have a few choices. The best ones would be either to work harder and improve your game and/or learn how to play doubles. A worse choice is to complain and then ultimately "cheat" to go down to a lower level.

From the short time I have done leagues, I don't think being a singles only player is a positive for many teams unless you are a ringer especially if you complain. A single only problematic "mid-level" player is probably not any captain's first choice of player.

That's ok, joeldali is going to captain a team for me and I'll be his #1.
 

spot

Hall of Fame
We did our homework and found that the age demographic in the league on Long Island was 86% over the age of 40.

This was just amazing to me. It just makes me appreciate living in Atlanta so much where there is a much wider age range that plays tennis. I really think that the USTA model is slowly killing recreational tennis in the US.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
This was just amazing to me. It just makes me appreciate living in Atlanta so much where there is a much wider age range that plays tennis. I really think that the USTA model is slowly killing recreational tennis in the US.

Wouldn't you want to do everything in your power to attract the under 40s?

Plus the u40 people are the ones having kids, if the parents are into tennis, odds are higher that the kids will be too.

J
 

Pickle9

Professional
Wouldn't you want to do everything in your power to attract the under 40s?

Plus the u40 people are the ones having kids, if the parents are into tennis, odds are higher that the kids will be too.

J

I asked her exactly what was said here, that if 40+ was 3 courts, than wouldn't only one of the 5.0s be able to play?

-yes, it would have however, the over 40 league at that level was looking forward to the new format and telling them that it was now following the rules for 3 courts, thereby having less spots for them to play, the majority of players......not sure id be alive to write this!


So it makes total sense. Don't do what would make sense, just cater to a certain group or to the group that won't complain as much. This reinforces my believe that the USTA is a genuinely evil and disingenuous corporation who's only goal is to make money. Right up there with Apple, Microsoft, and Walmart...but at least they don't pretend they don't care about making money.
 

cak

Professional
Plus the u40 people are the ones having kids, if the parents are into tennis, odds are higher that the kids will be too.

J

From my experience, the u40 people are busy taking their kids to lessons, games, and tournaments. Once the kids can take care of themselves, the parent have more time to play. Thus the bigger numbers for the over 40 crowd playing leagues.
 

storypeddler

Semi-Pro
Apparently this is happening because your area has so many people playing that they cannot find enough time slots or courts to handle it all. USTA brought this on when they created yet another league---the 40+ league. They are hoping, I'm sure, that instead of playing in one or the other, lots of players will now play in both and add to the revenue stream. It will likely have the reverse effect. Players will choose one or the other and then leagues will be smaller as a result. In any case, if there is so much tennis being played where you are that this format is being adopted to accomodate it all, you might want to consider yourself lucky. You could be in a small town where you can't find enough players to put together a team for ANY league. Count your blessings---then either play or don't play and your choice will make your vote known to the USTA.
 

J_R_B

Hall of Fame
This is the first I've seen this. This has to be the dumbest idea anyone's ever had since deciding to use a skills competition to decide hockey games.

Middle States is 2-3 in both 18s and 40s and I think Eastern NJ Region is as well.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Ok, ready for this?

The 18+ and 40+ matches are on the same day.

What club can field 13 4.5 players at 9pm on a weeknight?

J
 

kelkat

Rookie
From the quoted USTA response letter -- " Long Island is not the only region that is doing the three court format, I believe they are in New Jersey as well. "

JRB -- I can confirm that Eastern NJ is 2-3 in 18s.
 

SunshineJS

New User
Just another perspective...

Colorado (Denver-Metro area) is running the 1-2 format for all levels during the regular season for 40 & Over... this is because of court availablity however and it runs the same time as our local Twilight league (which has always been a 3 line format), which is for 18+. There simply aren't enough courts to run Twilight and a 5 line 40 & Over league at the same time.

Making the 40 & Over league a full 5 lines during the regular season would mean that we would have to fold the Twilight league... which has traditionally been the 2nd largest league here (behind USTA Adult 18 & Over) and would shut out anyone under 40 from playing in a league (except mixed)during that time of the season.
 

SunshineJS

New User
Hasn't started yet... minimum roster deadline is May 31st, so we will see what the registration numbers are looking like at that point. Early response hasn't been favorable but once people are educated as to the reasoning they seem to get it and are understanding. We did extend the season by a few matches however to give teams more opprotunities to get players qualified for districts/sectionals.

It's not the most ideal situation but we are limited by the weather here in Colorado as to when we can run leagues, and having one of the largest league participant population in the country, it is tough to fit everything in.

It was really a choice between giving the 40 & Over league the best experience or having them work around an inconvenience while still letting 39 and under players have a league. Decided to not abondon our younger market.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Hasn't started yet... minimum roster deadline is May 31st, so we will see what the registration numbers are looking like at that point. Early response hasn't been favorable but once people are educated as to the reasoning they seem to get it and are understanding. We did extend the season by a few matches however to give teams more opprotunities to get players qualified for districts/sectionals.

It's not the most ideal situation but we are limited by the weather here in Colorado as to when we can run leagues, and having one of the largest league participant population in the country, it is tough to fit everything in.

It was really a choice between giving the 40 & Over league the best experience or having them work around an inconvenience while still letting 39 and under players have a league. Decided to not abondon our younger market.

Yea, it makes sense to me that if you only had enough courts for one to be 5 lines, and one to be 3 lines, then you should make the 40+ the three line one since anyone over 40 can also play in the 5 line 18+ just like they always had before.

When your schedule comes out, please update and let us know if they run the 18+ and 40+ on the same days.

J
 

J_R_B

Hall of Fame
Hasn't started yet... minimum roster deadline is May 31st, so we will see what the registration numbers are looking like at that point. Early response hasn't been favorable but once people are educated as to the reasoning they seem to get it and are understanding. We did extend the season by a few matches however to give teams more opprotunities to get players qualified for districts/sectionals.

It's not the most ideal situation but we are limited by the weather here in Colorado as to when we can run leagues, and having one of the largest league participant population in the country, it is tough to fit everything in.

It was really a choice between giving the 40 & Over league the best experience or having them work around an inconvenience while still letting 39 and under players have a league. Decided to not abondon our younger market.
Build more courts. Problem solved. Badabing badaboom.
 

SunshineJS

New User
You mean if certain levels play on the same day in both 40 & Over and the Twilight league? or same day of the week for USTA 18 & Over and the 40 and Over?

The USTA 18 & Over league has already started and the USTA 40 & Over immeadiately follows that season. The Twilight league (which only advances to a district playoff) then plays at the same time as the 40 & Over. Someone that is over or turning 40 this year could play in both 40 & Twilight though, as each level plays on different day for each league. Here's a link to the days each league plays...

http://www.coloradotennis.com/cta/adults/pdf/Days-Denver.pdf
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
You mean if certain levels play on the same day in both 40 & Over and the Twilight league? or same day of the week for USTA 18 & Over and the 40 and Over?

The USTA 18 & Over league has already started and the USTA 40 & Over immeadiately follows that season. The Twilight league (which only advances to a district playoff) then plays at the same time as the 40 & Over. Someone that is over or turning 40 this year could play in both 40 & Twilight though, as each level plays on different day for each league. Here's a link to the days each league plays...

http://www.coloradotennis.com/cta/adults/pdf/Days-Denver.pdf

Oh, ok.

Yea, our 18+ and 40+ seasons run at the same time, and lots of guys are on both teams. So there will be forfeits aplenty.

J
 

SunshineJS

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I look forward to hearing back from someone,

Sincerely,

Pickle9
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I find it funny that you changed your signature to your user name but left your USTA #... you do know people can look you up by that right?:)
 

SunshineJS

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J011yroger

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No they don't overlap at all... here's the start and end dates: http://www.coloradotennis.com/cta/adults/pdf/Calendar-Denver.pdf


I think you're confusing the USTA 18 & Over with the Twilight. We offer multiple leagues for 18+ here in CO. USTA 40 & Over starts directly after USTA 18 & Over ends.

That is pretty sweet.

We have some non USTA leagues, but the standard of play isn't suitable for 4.5+ level players, and we have two really big country club leagues where all the country clubs field teams and battle it out against each other (the level of play can be quite high) but you have to be 35 to play in them, and it is all doubles.

J
 

Pickle9

Professional
First Usta league match tomorrow. Playing #2 dubs. Joeldali's pupi peed on my vapor 9's for good luck.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
I need all the help I can get. Scientists at NASA are trying to figure out a way to get me off the ground when I serve.

If you say the "S" word within 50 feet of me I am likely to hurl myself in front of a train.

I think I will regain the will to live by Thursday or Friday.

J
 

Pickle9

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When that seagull pooped on the court 2 feet away from me yesterday it was a sign.
 
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