Mustard
Bionic Poster
I'm pretty sure the websites (i.e. ATP, ITF, Tennis Corner etc.) also used to say carpet in the past, but the ATP and ITF sites now say "Hard".
Only Mats, Rog and Nole have done the calendar HC slam double
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BorgTheGOAT
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Still tough to determine. But I still think carpet is the correct answer.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
I can only think that it looks much more statistically "neat" to say 1975-1996 is carpet, 1997-present is hardcourt. I'm sure that isn't the truth as to the real surfaces.
Italian wiki says hard as well.
it.m.wikipedia.org
Also the English wiki on ATP finals also say on indoor hard:
"At Hanover, it was played on carpet in 1996 and on hard from 1997 to 1999".
en.m.wikipedia.org
I remember it being on hard, and the commentators saying it many times during the week.
I have no idea why some websites say it was on carpet.
ATP Tour World Championships 1999 - Wikipedia
Also the English wiki on ATP finals also say on indoor hard:
"At Hanover, it was played on carpet in 1996 and on hard from 1997 to 1999".
ATP Finals - Wikipedia
I remember it being on hard, and the commentators saying it many times during the week.
I have no idea why some websites say it was on carpet.
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BorgTheGOAT
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French one says hard for singles carpet for doubles.Italian wiki says hard as well.
I remember it being on hard, and the commentators saying it many times during the week.
I have no idea why some websites say it was on carpet.
ATP Tour World Championships 1999 - Wikipedia
Masters de tennis masculin 1999 — Wikipédia
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Can we stop trying to connect every event on tour? Not everything is a "double" or "triple."
French one says hard for singles carpet for doubles.
English wiki says carpet (multiple times) and also gives this info: ”The surface was called "GreenSet On Wood" which had a wood base coated in synthetic material and provided a medium-pace surface”.Masters de tennis masculin 1999 — Wikipédia
fr.m.wikipedia.org
Maybe that's the origin of the confusion.
The English wiki on ATP finals also say on indoor hard:
"At Hanover, it was played on carpet in 1996 and on hard from 1997 to 1999".
ATP Finals - Wikipedia
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
So does the Agassi-Sampras rivalry Wiki page. It lists their two matches in YEC 99 as on indoor hard. Still not 100% convinced though.Maybe that's the origin of the confusion.
The English wiki on ATP finals also say on indoor hard:
"At Hanover, it was played on carpet in 1996 and on hard from 1997 to 1999".
ATP Finals - Wikipedia
I remember it clearly because I watched that match when I was in Spain, and the commentators on Spanish TV used to be very biased in favor of Spanish players and Latin-American players.
Those commentators were expressing their satisfaction with the fact that in the last 3 years (97, 98 and 99) this tournament was being played on hard courts, where they thought Spanish and Latin players (Kuerten, Lapenti, and Moya, Corretja the previous year) had much better options, whereas had it been played on low-bouncing carpet, they thought Spanish and Latin players wouldn't have had any option.
Those commentators were expressing their satisfaction with the fact that in the last 3 years (97, 98 and 99) this tournament was being played on hard courts, where they thought Spanish and Latin players (Kuerten, Lapenti, and Moya, Corretja the previous year) had much better options, whereas had it been played on low-bouncing carpet, they thought Spanish and Latin players wouldn't have had any option.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Duel Match Stats/Report - Sampras vs Agassi, Year End Championship finals & round robin 1999
Pete Sampras beat Andre Agassi 6-1, 7-5, 6-4 in the Year End Championship (now known as the World Tour Finals) final, 1999 on carpet in Hanover, Germany This was Sampras' 5th and last Year End title, while Agassi had ended his run off 6 successive years finishing year end number one Sampras...
tt.tennis-warehouse.com
It says carpet here as well.
SamprasisGOAT
Hall of Fame
Just add Lendl to this list and you have the top 5 Hardcourt players of the open era
SamprasisGOAT
Hall of Fame
Read things properly. Starting to understand how your a Murray fan boyAhem, I don't recall Djokovic winning the US Open in 2012.
Garro
Rookie
Nadal/Murray in 2011 and Fed/Djokovic 2011 both come to mind. Also Fed Hewitt in 2004 IIRC.
SamprasisGOAT
Hall of Fame
Angrybirdstar
Professional
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i'd say Laver, Connors, Lendl, and even McEnroe > Agassi on hard courts
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SamprasisGOAT
Hall of Fame
Watch Agassi in the AO 95 final and the AO 00 Semi final against Sampras. Total beast. Plenty more examples. USO 2005. Becker 1995 USO semi
Neptune
Hall of Fame
4+ HC big titles in a season (since 1988, the year AO became HC):
Wilander 1988 4
Agassi 1995 4
Fed 2004 5, 2005 4, 2006 7, 2007 4, 2017 4,
Nole 2011 5, 2012 5, 2013 4, 2014 4, 2015 7, 2016 4, 2023 5
Rafa 2013 4
Murray 2016 4
Sinner 2024 4*(ongoing)
5+ HC big titles in a season has been achieved only 6 times, Nole (4) and Fed (2).
Top HC rivalries in big tournaments:
1.Nole-Fed 32
2.Nole-Murray 25
3.Nole-Rafa 23
4.Fed-Rafa 19
5.Fed-Murray 18
6.Pete-Agassi 15
10.Connors-Lendl 14
Wilander 1988 4
Agassi 1995 4
Fed 2004 5, 2005 4, 2006 7, 2007 4, 2017 4,
Nole 2011 5, 2012 5, 2013 4, 2014 4, 2015 7, 2016 4, 2023 5
Rafa 2013 4
Murray 2016 4
Sinner 2024 4*(ongoing)
5+ HC big titles in a season has been achieved only 6 times, Nole (4) and Fed (2).
Top HC rivalries in big tournaments:
1.Nole-Fed 32
2.Nole-Murray 25
3.Nole-Rafa 23
4.Fed-Rafa 19
5.Fed-Murray 18
6.Pete-Agassi 15
10.Connors-Lendl 14
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Welcome to 4+ big title on hc club sinner
Now next year let's do it again to be in exclusive fedkovic club
No, I got it from wikipedia
I think the source it uses is very specific in describing what kind of carpet, which gave carpet some credibility
My (not very clear) memory of the matter was '97 onward was hard court, but the English wikipedia has '98 and '99 as being on carpet
I'll add that it sounds like carpet, but that's not conclusive. Generally, if it sounds like hard court, its hard court, but if it sounds like carpet, might be hard court, might be carpet
I don't remember seeing stiches, which would be the only conclusive point on the matter
wikipedia occasionally gets some of these things wrong. For example. Antwerp Invitational is listed as being on carpet
Commentators for '85 final very specifically state the surface is not carpet but deco something hard court - the same surface as US Open. And that one sounds like hard court
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