Open Era Top 10 Ranking at Roland Garros

[Neptune]

Open Era until 2023 of couse

ATP ranking is all about points, so the ranking is solely based on career ATP points (adjusted to current point system): each win earn points, a slam final win worth 800 points, SF win worth 480, etc.

(Only calculate R128-F matches, a R128 loss worth 10 points, I may miss out someone close to the bottom of top 10, if you point out I will check and update)

1​	Rafael Nadal​	29,350​
2​	Novak Djokovic​	16,335​
3​	Bjorn Borg​	12,630​
4​	Roger Federer​	11,060​
5​	Ivan Lendl​	9,825​
6​	Mats Wilander​	9,715​
7​	Guillermo Vilas​	8,095​
8​	Andre Agassi​	7,580​
9​	Gustavo Kuerten​	7,155​
10​	Jim Courier​	6,920​

 

[Neptune]

more details for those who interested

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​

RG​

W​

F​

SF​

QF​

R16​

R32​

R64​

R128​

Entry​

Average​

1​

Rafael Nadal​

29,350​

14​

​

1​

1​

1​

1​

​

​

18​

1,631​

2​

Novak Djokovic​

16,335​

3​

4​

5​

5​

​

1​

1​

​

19​

860​

3​

Bjorn Borg​

12,630​

6​

​

​

1​

1​

​

​

​

8​

1,579​

4​

Roger Federer​

11,060​

1​

4​

3​

4​

3​

1​

​

3​

19​

582​

5​

Ivan Lendl​

9,825​

3​

2​

​

2​

3​

1​

1​

3​

15​

655​

6​

Mats Wilander​

9,715​

3​

2​

1​

1​

​

1​

3​

1​

12​

810​

7​

Guillermo Vilas​

8,095​

1​

3​

​

5​

2​

2​

3​

2​

18​

450​

8​

Andre Agassi​

7,580​

1​

2​

2​

4​

​

1​

4​

3​

17​

446​

9​

Gustavo Kuerten​

7,155​

3​

​

​

2​

2​

​

1​

3​

11​

650​

10​

Jim Courier​

6,920​

2​

1​

1​

1​

3​

​

2​

1​

11​

629​

 

[Terenigma]

Which slam do you want me to do next?

Do Wimbledon

 

[DSH]

Which slam do you want me to do next?

US Open.

 

[Jonesy]

Which slam do you want me to do next?

Australian open.

 

[Neptune]

Sure, I will do Wim USO AO one after another in that order.

 

[DSH]

Open Era until 2023 of couse

ATP ranking is all about points, so the ranking is solely based on career ATP points (adjusted to current point system): each win earn points, a slam final win worth 800 points, SF win worth 480, etc.

(Only calculate R128-F matches, a R128 loss worth 10 points, I may miss out someone close to the bottom of top 10, if you point out I will check and update)

1​	Rafael Nadal​	29,350​
2​	Novak Djokovic​	16,335​
3​	Bjorn Borg​	12,630​
4​	Roger Federer​	11,060​
5​	Ivan Lendl​	9,825​
6​	Mats Wilander​	9,715​
7​	Guillermo Vilas​	8,095​
8​	Andre Agassi​	7,580​
9​	Gustavo Kuerten​	7,155​
10​	Jim Courier​	6,920​

Nadal has more points than Djokovic and Borg combined.

 

[Kralingen]

By this criterion LeBron > Jordan, so I concur with your logico-methodological analysis.

 

[Neptune]

By this criterion LeBron > Jordan, so I concur with your logico-methodological analysis.

But I have no interest and nothing to say about NBA ranking.

 

[Kralingen]

But I have no interest and nothing to say about NBA ranking.

I see. Carry on, then.

I do not think even Srdjan or Novak himself would put Djokovic over Borg at RG all time for what it’s worth.

 

[Neptune]

I see. Carry on, then.

I do not think even Srdjan or Novak himself would put Djokovic over Borg at RG all time for what it’s worth.

Well, if Alcaraz ends up more points (still have chance) he will be ranked No.1 for 2023.

 

[Moose Malloy]

How many points did Bruguera, Kodes, and Connors have

 

[Neptune]

How many points did Bruguera, Kodes, and Connors have

Bruguera 6,310
Kodes 5,730
Connors 4,565

 

[daggerman]

I see. Carry on, then.

I do not think even Srdjan or Novak himself would put Djokovic over Borg at RG all time for what it’s worth.

Srdjan would put Novak over Nadal. I think you're right about Novak himself, though.

 

[Milanez82]

One wonders how would Lendl and Wilander do if Borg kept on and maintained his level or could they even beat declined Borg

Crazy numbers for Rafa

 

[NoleFam]

Good data but it kind of rewards quantity over quality which is why Agassi is over Kuerten. Would be interesting to see what their average points are.

 

[Neptune]

Good data but it kind of rewards quantity over quality which is why Agassi is over Kuerten. Would be interesting to see what their average points are.

Average per entry? added in post#2 last column

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Bruguera 6,310
Kodes 5,730
Connors 4,565

I assume Bruguera is 11th?

 

[Neptune]

I assume Bruguera is 11th?

quite likely, but I may not check enough

 

[Gary Duane]

I see. Carry on, then.

I do not think even Srdjan or Novak himself would put Djokovic over Borg at RG all time for what it’s worth.

Yup....

 

[Tennfan123]

Lol

 

[Rudiiii]

Good data but it kind of rewards quantity over quality which is why Agassi is over Kuerten. Would be interesting to see what their average points are.

There is average. And that average is exactly why I give edge to Nole compared to Mats, Burguera, Lendl etc

 

[NoleFam]

Average per entry? added in post#2 last column

Ahh I see it now. So based on that, the top 6 is

Nadal
Borg
Djokovic
Wilander
Lendl
Kuerten

All champs that won it at least 3 times.

 

[Pheasant]

Interesting concept. Using this method, Federer crushes Wilander so much, that he's closer to Borg than he is to Wilander.

 

[MichaelNadal]

But Ultronians told me Federer and Djokovic aren’t good competition for Nadal at Roland Garros

 

[Moose Malloy]

Bruguera 6,310
Kodes 5,730
Connors 4,565

how about Noah, Leconte, Gomez, Ferrero, Corretja, Moya, Costa, Muster

 

[Neptune]

how about Noah, Leconte, Gomez, Ferrero, Corretja, Moya, Costa, Muster

Ferrero 5,145
Corretja 4,455
Noah 4,405
Costa 3,965
Muster 3,920
Moya 3,775
Gomez 3,755
Leconte 3,565

 

[Neptune]

Interesting concept. Using this method, Federer crushes Wilander so much, that he's closer to Borg than he is to Wilander.

This is actually the most natural concept (the ATP ranking concept)
Longevity matters.

 

[Enceladus]

One wonders how would Lendl and Wilander do if Borg kept on and maintained his level or could they even beat declined Borg

Crazy numbers for Rafa

If Borg hadn't retired early, both Wilander and Lendl would have had fewer RG triumphs. Borg was very strong on clay, like Nadal, just for a shorter time. Lendl and Wilander benefited from Borg's absence.

 

[Razer]

I see. Carry on, then.

I do not think even Srdjan or Novak himself would put Djokovic over Borg at RG all time for what it’s worth.

I feel this thread is the best work of the OP yet ...... A perfect example of the triumph of Matter over Mind .....

So we should now count points accumulated and rank players accordingly, this means 2 back to back runners up is better than winning the trophy and then skipping the tournament the next year.

Wonderful....

 

[bigbadboaz]

Longevity/consistency matter but I really feel wins ought to be weighted for this type of ranking.

No way my idol Agassi should be above Courier or especially Guga here, and it's hard to see Djoker above a dominant RG figure like Borg - even with 3 wins himself and a much longer presence.

 

[Neptune]

I feel this thread is the best work of the OP yet ...... A perfect example of the triumph of Matter over Mind .....

So we should now count points accumulated and rank players accordingly, this means 2 back to back runners up is better than winning the trophy and then skipping the tournament the next year.

Wonderful....

This is one way of ranking, the ATP way, yet it hurts your feelings?

 

[RS]

Just noticed it was used probably because Djokovic comes in ahead of Borg.

 

[Neptune]

Just noticed it was used probably because Djokovic comes in ahead of Borg.

Another user having problem with ATP ranking system...
You only need to check post #2 to see Borg's average is on par with Rafa's.
And also, consider checking the AO thread before exposing yourself.

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[THUNDERVOLLEY]

I feel this thread is the best work of the OP yet ...... A perfect example of the triumph of Matter over Mind .....

Or extreme wish-fulfillment that will never have a bearing on the real status of players (thankfully).

So we should now count points accumulated and rank players accordingly, this means 2 back to back runners up is better than winning the trophy and then skipping the tournament the next year.

Wonderful....

Just be glad the official record will never crown someone who--by his alleged standards--never turned into a player of note at the French Open, well, not the ridiculous fantasy level his fangirls use in their usually empty arguments.

 

[Sudacafan]

Do Wimbledon

US Open.

Australian open.

Do RG again with Borg in #2.

 

[Sudacafan]

more details for those who interested

​

​

RG​

W​

F​

SF​

QF​

R16​

R32​

R64​

R128​

Entry​

Average​

1​

Rafael Nadal​

29,350​

14​

​

1​

1​

1​

1​

​

​

18​

1,631​

2​

Novak Djokovic​

16,335​

3​

4​

5​

5​

​

1​

1​

​

19​

860​

3​

Bjorn Borg​

12,630​

6​

​

​

1​

1​

​

​

​

8​

1,579​

4​

Roger Federer​

11,060​

1​

4​

3​

4​

3​

1​

​

3​

19​

582​

5​

Ivan Lendl​

9,825​

3​

2​

​

2​

3​

1​

1​

3​

15​

655​

6​

Mats Wilander​

9,715​

3​

2​

1​

1​

​

1​

3​

1​

12​

810​

7​

Guillermo Vilas​

8,095​

1​

3​

​

5​

2​

2​

3​

2​

18​

450​

8​

Andre Agassi​

7,580​

1​

2​

2​

4​

​

1​

4​

3​

17​

446​

9​

Gustavo Kuerten​

7,155​

3​

​

​

2​

2​

​

1​

3​

11​

650​

10​

Jim Courier​

6,920​

2​

1​

1​

1​

3​

​

2​

1​

11​

629​

I am proud of Guillermo Vilas.

 

[Neptune]

Do RG again with Borg in #2.

In Post #2, it's evident that Borg's average is comparable to Rafa's. Moreover, when excluding the first entry before his 17th birthday, Borg's average actually surpasses Rafa's.

I am proud of Guillermo Vilas.

Considering titles alone, Vilas won't make it into the top 10.

 

[Sudacafan]

Considering titles alone, Vilas won't make it into the top 10.

OK, but I'm proud of him.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Imagine thinking your total accumulated points earned at a particular event determines your place in said event’s historical hierarchy, lol. It’s all about titles and everything after that is secondary for TB purposes.

 

[thrust]

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Nadal has more points than Djokovic and Borg combined.

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If Borg hadn't retired early, both Wilander and Lendl would have had fewer RG triumphs. Borg was very strong on clay, like Nadal, just for a shorter time. Lendl and Wilander benefited from Borg's absence.

I was never a Borg fan but it seems to me he should be ranked #2, overall, as he only played RG 8 times and won 6 titles.

 

[mavsman149]

Pretty remarkable that Novak has reached at least the QF 17 times, even Nadal only has 16.

Obviously Nadal is indisputably the greatest here, just found that longevity even at his least successful slam pretty dang impressive.

 

[DSH]

Pretty remarkable that Novak has reached at least the QF 17 times, even Nadal only has 16.

Obviously Nadal is indisputably the greatest here, just found that longevity even at his least successful slam pretty dang impressive.

Djokovic has one more participation than Nadal at Roland Garros.
That is the reason.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Pretty remarkable that Novak has reached at least the QF 17 times, even Nadal only has 16.

Obviously Nadal is indisputably the greatest here, just found that longevity even at his least successful slam pretty dang impressive.

Without political interferences Djokovic would have added way more incredible longetivity records.

 

[GabeT]

Absent Nadal would Novak likely have the greatest record at RG and clay in general?

 

[mavsman149]

Djokovic has one more participation than Nadal at Roland Garros.
That is the reason.

True but even still just proves how good Novak is on clay even though relatively speaking it's his worst slam.

In no way was I trying to say he's better than Nadal on clay, but maybe he would've been the clay GOAT if Nadal hadn't been around

 

[mavsman149]

Absent Nadal would Novak likely have the greatest record at RG and clay in general?

Hard to imagine he wouldn't be the most successful clay player ever without Rafa