Open pattern player frames

SinneGOAT

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I use a blade and I’m quite happy with it. I use the 16/19 version and I find it to be ok. However the pattern is pretty dense and I find it hard to get the extra bit of net clearance and spin I would with something more open. What are some open pattern player frames? Something like the pro staff 97? I’m thinking a 16/19 or 16/18 even with 6 center mains and 2 main skips and relatively spaced out, maybe even 8 center mains or 6 mains but 1 main skip. I’m fine with any headsize as long as it’s not over 100.
 
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snoflewis

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That's interesting because I found the blade 16x19 to be plenty open. I think even the 18x20 blade is very open for dense pattern standards.

If you're looking at prostaffs, i found the v13 to be a lot more dense in the middle than the previous versions. Definitely would recommend the prior versions for a more open pattern. Based on my experiences, Vcore 98s are pretty open. Pure strike 16x19 had a surprisngly high launch angle despite the denser looking pattern. The ultra pro 16x19 has a fairly high launch angle as well. I personally found the prince 100" sticks with 16x18 patterns to be too open.

i'm not a fan of counting mains at the throat to determine playability, so i realize my suggestions may not meet your requirements.
 

MasterZeb

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That's interesting because I found the blade 16x19 to be plenty open. I think even the 18x20 blade is very open for dense pattern standards.

If you're looking at prostaffs, i found the v13 to be a lot more dense in the middle than the previous versions. Definitely would recommend the prior versions for a more open pattern. Based on my experiences, Vcore 98s are pretty open. Pure strike 16x19 had a surprisngly high launch angle despite the denser looking pattern. The ultra pro 16x19 has a fairly high launch angle as well. I personally found the prince 100" sticks with 16x18 patterns to be too open.

i'm not a fan of counting mains at the throat to determine playability, so i realize my suggestions may not meet your requirements.
My personal experience was in line with OPs. It’s launch angle was quite low compared to other 16x19s I have tried. But it still felt erratic too so didn’t seem to have any point of having a 16x19 pattern compared to the 18x20.
 

romdj

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14x18 93p ? :D
I have to agree with @snoflewis , I found the Pro Staff line to have be quite open in the center in comparison to quite a few others.
 

Jay Sean

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I use a blade and I’m quite happy with it. I use the 16/19 version and I find it to be ok. However the pattern is pretty dense and I find it hard to get the extra bit of net clearance and spin I would with something more open. What are some open pattern player frames? Something like the pro staff 97? I’m thinking a 16/19 or 16/18 even with 6 center mains and 2 main skips and relatively spaced out, maybe even 8 center mains or 6 mains but 1 main skip. I’m fine with any headsize as long as it’s not over 100.
Hey, man. I just want you to be aware of a misconception. On the same exact frame, yes, a more open pattern might help with spin a bit but I promise you that twistweight is more important. If you put some lead at 3 and 9 vs 12 and 6, you'll notice that 3 and 9 somehow negatively effects spin.

I don't want to get into the science here too much but I'm absolutely correct and someone might say a bunch of useless stuff in response but try to pretend I'm right if you don't believe me.

One way to get your racket to have more spin, if you can handle a little extra weight, is to put a bit more weight in the handle (5-10 grams. Switch to leather if you haven't) and add a couple of small strips of lead to the 6 and 12 area. No more than a couple inches of length. Just up to 2 or 3 grams total will do.

This essentially lowers the relative twistweight to the overall weight of this racket and will change the physics of it to be more spin friendly.

There is an official TW test about this proving it as well as other knowledge out there.

Open vs closed pattern might be the smallest variable. String type might be more significant but by far, the things I spoke of matter the most.

So don't focus too much on the pattern openness because that will not necessarily give you what you're looking for.

If I recall correctly, the head gravity pro and the head speed pro felt more spin friendly. Maybe even the Yonex vcore 98 and ezone 98 as well.

The gravity pro is an 18x20 but I think it's still more spin friendly. This was definitely the case on the first generation of them. I was told the update was only cosmetic.

Good luck please let me know if you try these out and see for yourself.
 

Jay Sean

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@SinneGOAT You should consider the Diadem Elevate FS 98.
Very open almost babolat like but the frame isn't that spin friendly. Really more of a player stick with open pattern. Kind of similar to blade but more open pattern. Great racket but can't recommend it if you want a really spin friendly design.
 

Gee

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Very open almost babolat like but the frame isn't that spin friendly. Really more of a player stick with open pattern. Kind of similar to blade but more open pattern. Great racket but can't recommend it if you want a really spin friendly design.
I agree it's not really a spin monster like a Pure Drive but isn't a bit more spin friendly than the Blade 16x19?
 

Jay Sean

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I agree it's not really a spin monster like a Pure Drive but isn't a bit more spin friendly than the Blade 16x19?
Maybe, I'm going off memory at this point but it's not so much that I can right away say it is. I have some elevates but no blades on me. Blade is good but I just don't love it and too many people use it here lol. Tired of seeing them.
 
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I use a blade and I’m quite happy with it. I use the 16/19 version and I find it to be ok. However the pattern is pretty dense and I find it hard to get the extra bit of net clearance and spin I would with something more open. What are some open pattern player frames? Something like the pro staff 97? I’m thinking a 16/19 or 16/18 even with 6 center mains and 2 main skips and relatively spaced out, maybe even 8 center mains or 6 mains but 1 main skip. I’m fine with any headsize as long as it’s not over 100.
Try the Head G360+ Extreme Tour. Has a similar dense pattern to the Blade but the balance point is a little lower and it's more whippy, so easier to brush up on the ball. Plays really nice with a little added weight from what I hear. There's all kinds of factors that affect spin on rackets – twistweights relative to weight/SW, string pattern, strings, etc. – but making things simple, the Blade is designed more to plow through/drive the ball than to brush up.
 
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