Open stance fh and thbh : i can not hit flat

#1
I am about 3.5 level. I usually play on clay.
I have a western grip fh and left hand sw grip fh right hand eastern bh grip thbh.
I can hit natural decent open stance high spinny loopy groundstrokes from both sides.
But i have difficoulties to hit flat fast balls from open stance from both sides.(only frm closed stance can i hit flat)
I feel the flat fh from open stance would be a ,,must have" shot.

I thank for any tipps
Toth
 
#2
Flat open 1hbh shot requires more strength because you lose forward momentum of stepping into the shot and some body rotation. You also do not drop the racquet down as much, so you have to account for that as well.
 
#4
Sorry, saw that as 1hbh, and I assume you mean 2hbh.
The fh is more important i think.
Is it unbequem for the wrist with the western grip to hit flat- i suppose with opener racket face as usual?
Is it a big difference for the wrist and for the racket face (how close is), hit topspin or hit flat?
 
#5
I am about 3.5 level. I usually play on clay.
I have a western grip fh and left hand sw grip fh right hand eastern bh grip thbh.
I can hit natural decent open stance high spinny loopy groundstrokes from both sides.
But i have difficoulties to hit flat fast balls from open stance from both sides.(only frm closed stance can i hit flat)
I feel the flat fh from open stance would be a ,,must have" shot.

I thank for any tipps
Toth
It will be hard to pin point the exact problem without a video.

When getting into position for a groundstroke (regardless fh or bh) maintain a high take-back and swing through the ball without dropping the racket, think high-to-high as opposed to low-to-high swing. The key is to stay relaxed and try not to arm the ball.

Remember wrist is something that happens at the very end of the stroke and I would avoid focusing/using wrist until you have developed solid groundstrokes with decent control, pace, and depth. Just something to keep in mind.
 
#7
try this - swing your right shoulder hard left towards the left shoulder... this action will cause the racket to move fast forward, not upward.
 
#8
I feel a have the most difficoulty with the net cleareance, it is very difficoult to me to clear the net by 1-2 feet with open stance fh ( i usually clear the net by 2-3 meter).
 
#9
Which approach would you recommend: with short backswing ,,line up" hit flat or with moderate loop less under the ball less topspin?
 

Dragy

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#10
Loop. You can go straight and short for lower backswing, but holding your arm high will tighten you up and hinder free full swing. You can still do it with perfect timing, but better to start forward acceleration while arm is lowering from the top of backswing.
 
#11
I am about 3.5 level. I usually play on clay.
I have a western grip fh and left hand sw grip fh right hand eastern bh grip thbh.
I can hit natural decent open stance high spinny loopy groundstrokes from both sides.
But i have difficoulties to hit flat fast balls from open stance from both sides.(only frm closed stance can i hit flat)
I feel the flat fh from open stance would be a ,,must have" shot.

I thank for any tipps
Toth
probably because it feels different,... especially if you're used to hitting a moonbally type trajectory/swing path.
also the contact point (relative to your body) changes slightly,... slightly more out in front...
but because you're using a western grip it's basically at the end of your arc... so harder (for me, when i was hitting hawaiian), to time
also keep in mind, that in open stance, with a western/hawaiian grip, the tendency is to pull across, so when i'm trying to hit flat, in open stance, i better be perfect, else i end up shanking because i'm at the end of my arc both toward my target, and left/right
my $0.02

just curious, how open are you? when i hit hawaiian, i was often parallel to the baseline (very open)... hard for me, to do anything but hit late, and loop it back

side note, this is why i switched to SW, easier/more comfortable to hit through the ball
 
#12
the fh is a combination of 2 rotations: the core rotation around the spine, and the internal shoulder rotation ISR + pronation.

the latter is the wind shield wiping, that has a lot of 'up' element, good for generate spin and hit low balls to bring it up and down, also this rotation has more forward speed when it's lower... when it hits higher ball it's already the 'cross' part of the wiping, therefore you hit lots of spin and no penetration.

the key is the former - the core rotation... I have been talking about parametric acceleration a lot these days... try this... about 3 feet before the racket impacts the ball, pull the racket hard left by folding your right shoulder into the left shoulder... make your core rotation radius smaller -think figure skater folding up to spin faster... this will create a lot of forward speed on the racket head and you can hit some flat rockets, very effective if you are hitting a high ball around chest level.

for even higher balls above the shoulder - this 'folding action' can be combined with a downward pull, like pulling a church bell down, towards the left shoulder.

all this abrupt shortening of the radius dramatically speed up the racket head... try it out... it will be fun
 
#13

her body language speaks loud about this... there is this right shoulder 'jabbing' action into the left... and you can see she's trying to 'get smaller' thru the shot...that's how you generate that forward racket speed.

this action requires core strength... reason why them pros do all that medicine ball stuff.
 
#15
Wow good video. It's dead obvious that she swings with the whole side of her body (shoulder,, hip, leg), huh? On the FH.
yes, every ounce of energy trying to go LEFT and get 'smaller' at the same time.... you try to hit this way you will feel it in the core, the legs, and the shoulder area.
 
#17
What do you mean by "get smaller at the same time"?
the core rotation radius.... especially towards the end of the vid when she really was trying to hit big, you can notice that her finish gets closer to her body..

think figure skater folding her arms to spin faster.
 
#18
the core rotation radius.... especially towards the end of the vid when she really was trying to hit big, you can notice that her finish gets closer to her body..

think figure skater folding her arms to spin faster.
I don't get it. What's this "the core rotation radius" that get smaller?
 
#19
The main advice is to not to drop the racket head so low.
But if i do not drop the racket head low enough, it will be a diseaster, no topspin at all, the ball is not to controll at all.
Any advice how to drop correctly?

Thanks again
Toth
 
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