Open Stance forehand hurts my front hip

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Has anyone else noticed this? When I shoulder turn but keep my feet relatively as they were (facing net for full open stance, or 45 deg for semi-open stance), my front hip hurts (in this case its my right hip since i'm a lefty, its the left hip for a rightly).

In neutral stance it doesn't hurt though. Neutral feels so much more comfortable for my hips.
 
Never felt that... replacement ahead?

Sorry for being sarcastic.

Checked your Youtube on the 2 diff fh thread. This might be an issue of lacking power in your butt and upper thigh.

If your muscles does not support the joint in apropriate manner, the joint will absorb all the forces and move too much during movement.

Many times young, teenagers in bowling does not have enough core strength to hold the pelvis centered in the middle of hips, but leans towards the ligaments and strain the joint extensively. Same applies in tennis, especially, when learning new moves.

Core strength is essential in sports, no matter, what. And in addition hip control excercises would be recommended.

Here are some excercises to strengthen and enhance the control in your hip. You may omit the arthritis in the subject.


You can add a resistance band to get more load.

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If something hurts you are doing something wrong either from playing or something else.

You gather energy with your legs and from that momentum it transfers to everything else, you don't jerk the hip.
 
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I used to do this and many pros that are righty have beat up RIGHT hip from overuse injury.. But, what you are doing is twisting the hip, and under twisting(or not loading) the core. The right leg on a righty open stance forehand is only to LOAD and then EXTEND, not rotate(the stomach/core is what rotates).. its the twising and rotation of the hip joint that is causing this.

I'm much stronger/flexible now so I don't feel the need to over twist from the hip(also work on flexibility so if you accidentally overtwist hip it won't pull as much).

As this is really a highly athletic/coordinated move, its much easier and safer to go back to the neutral stance, or get instruction from advanced teaching pro, as most won't know how to do this. Hope this helps.
 
you need to work on your trunk and hip rotation to strengthen the muscles and work on mind/muscle connection.

If your in the gym or even at home just grab a medicine ball or weight and work on standing open stance while trying to rotate in both directions

quick vid example below

 
Sometimes hip pain is referred pain from your L5 S1 Region. Get it checked out by a physio snd get started on a strengthening and stretching program. Lots of shots in tennis require rotational movements so you will need to address your situation.
As far as comparing front on compared to semi front on and closed stances for hip
Issues all I can say is that you are going to be using it no matter what as it is part of the kinetic chain. What you can examine is whether your kinetic chain is being performed correctly. For example:
1. Has any part of the chain been omitted?
2. Have each of the segments been performed in the right order?
3. Have each segments been performed at the right amount in relation to other segments?
4. Have each segments been performed at the correct speed and are they being performed at the right time ?
A good coach can help you in this department and see a good physio. Hope this helps you. Cheers
 
If something hurts you are doing something wrong either from playing or something else.

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Or you may have some born structional irregularity. Pay a visit to a physio to figure it’s nothing of the sort. S/he will examine and give you a regime to strengthen the required muscles as well.


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Has anyone else noticed this? When I shoulder turn but keep my feet relatively as they were (facing net for full open stance, or 45 deg for semi-open stance), my front hip hurts (in this case its my right hip since i'm a lefty, its the left hip for a rightly).

In neutral stance it doesn't hurt though. Neutral feels so much more comfortable for my hips.
Yes! Have had this problem for about 5 years! I'm a right hander and got terrible left hip ache during and after playing. I still do when I forget or lapse back into old habits! I first thought it was due to my serve following through and round to face the net with my left foot planted partially due to previously injured joints which don't make it easier for me to get off the ground. Then after research realised that forehand, particularly open stance, could be contributing also.

Solutions I have found:
At doubles I opted to return from "backhand" (advantage) side as most returns would be backhand or inside out forehand which wouldn't put so much torque on it as returning from the deuce side.
Play forehands off your back foot a bit more and open your front foot to 45 degrees or more. Use old school linear forehands rather than open stance with all its rotation wherever possible.
Get off the ground (doesn't have to be much) with every serve by launching upwards after stretching your tossing arm up high and using a cartwheel shoulder over shoulder action. Serve should follow through to the right (if your right handed) rather than round your body to face the net too soon or to anxiously try and follow the ball too soon. Pronation should occur on all your serves and it is only right at the end of the follow through where the racket should come round and your right leg kick back. Think of your serve action of more of a case of hopping on your left leg rather than bringing your right leg round to rush to the net. Try to stay side on for as long as possible. Brad Langevad advised Pat Cash (who was plagued with injuries) to save his spine by modifying his serve in the way I mentioned - check this out.

Physiotherapy: strengthen your butt with clam exercises with resistance, bridges, plank etc. as it stops the hip from overworking apparently.
 
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In theory Open Stance should be easier on the front hip than square stance (but harder on the rear/right hip)

Yes good point. I wish I knew and fully understood for sure exactly what was and is causing the problem. I got the problem today just doing drills without any serves so I'm sure it is the forehand causing it.
 
I'd say use more of a neutral stance. Open stance can be good for some sluggers who learn it early on, but I also see lots of the killers on TV hitting forehands from a neutral stance when they're in action on the courts. Lots of them also hit their best two-handed backhands from either a neutral or mildly closed stance.

I don't think we all have the same aptitudes to either immediately use or learn to use the same mechanics for the same shots. Neutral stance for your forehand might be the very best fit for you. If you're working on developing the setup, timing, and contact point to hit with more of an open stance, it might take months or years for that to evolve into a more natural move for you.
 
I'd say use more of a neutral stance. Open stance can be good for some sluggers who learn it early on, but I also see lots of the killers on TV hitting forehands from a neutral stance when they're in action on the courts. Lots of them also hit their best two-handed backhands from either a neutral or mildly closed stance.

I don't think we all have the same aptitudes to either immediately use or learn to use the same mechanics for the same shots. Neutral stance for your forehand might be the very best fit for you. If you're working on developing the setup, timing, and contact point to hit with more of an open stance, it might take months or years for that to evolve into a more natural move for you.
I do try to mostly use neutral stance anyway because it facilitates disguise and wrong-footing so if you execute well your opponents can't read which way you are hitting.
 
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In theory Open Stance should be easier on the front hip than square stance (but harder on the rear/right hip)
In the OP's case, as a lefty, the left hip is the rear hip for the Fh. The OP problem does sound a bit unusual since it is normally the left hip that experiences greater overuse with the OS Fh.

This thread was initiated nearly 3 years ago. Wondering if the problem was ever resolved. OP?
 
Lleyton Hewitt had significant hip issues during his career. He made prolific use of a fully open Fh stance. He was also fond of the jumping (mule-kick) Bh. Both of these put a lot of stress on his right hip.

LH did have surgery on his right hip (replacement?) during his career. However, he also had surgery on his left hip. Not really sure why this happened. Compensation for his overworked right hip? Open stance BHs?

It could be his defensive, tenacious counter-puncher playing style that took its toll on his hips. He was pretty quick and would run down a lot of shots that others might not. It could be that his plan style put a lot of g-forces on both of his hips.
 
@StringSnapper @Mitcheson

In the OP's case, as a lefty, the left hip is the rear hip for the Fh. The OP problem does sound a bit unusual since it is normally the left hip that experiences greater overuse with the OS Fh.

This thread was initiated nearly 3 years ago. Wondering if the problem was ever resolved. OP?
Nope it still gets sore sometimes, but it hasn't gotten worse seemingly. I think I might have some posture issue causing it.

I've seen a physio /osteopath for it and they think its tighter and weaker on that side and gave me some exercises to do, but they only seemed to mildly help so I stopped doing them
 
Nope it still gets sore sometimes, but it hasn't gotten worse seemingly. I think I might have some posture issue causing it.

I've seen a physio /osteopath for it and they think its tighter and weaker on that side and gave me some exercises to do, but they only seemed to mildly help so I stopped doing them
Possible scoliosis of the spine? Apparently, I have a scoliosis that manifested some years back. But I only found out this year that I have a scoliosis.

It is probably a significant contributing factor to various tightness and weaknesses. On one side more than the other.
 
Possible scoliosis of the spine? Apparently, I have a scoliosis that manifested some years back. But I only found out this year that I have a scoliosis.

It is probably a significant contributing factor to various tightness and weaknesses. On one side more than the other.
Would a doctor/physio/osteopath have seen this though? My back has always been quite strong, I've rarely ever had back pain before
 
Would a doctor/physio/osteopath have seen this though? My back has always been quite strong, I've rarely ever had back pain before
I was not experiencing back pain very often at all. My scoliosis manifested in other ways. Hip pain, hip flexor tightness, pelvic tilt and other occasional issues. I had been seeing doctors, physical therapists, and chiropractors for the past few years. But it was only within the past year that anybody mentioned scoliosis.

Your issue could very well be something else. Have you had any x-rays done of your hip and spine to see if there are any joint issues or spine anomalies? MRIs?
 
I was not experiencing back pain very often at all. My scoliosis manifested in other ways. Hip pain, hip flexor tightness, pelvic tilt and other occasional issues. I had been seeing doctors, physical therapists, and chiropractors for the past few years. But it was only within the past year that anybody mentioned scoliosis.

Your issue could very well be something else. Have you had any x-rays done of your hip and spine to see if there are any joint issues or spine anomalies? MRIs?
How did they come to the conclusion it was scoliosis?

I havent had any hip/spine xrays or MRIs
 
How did they come to the conclusion it was scoliosis?

I havent had any hip/spine xrays or MRIs
It was pretty obvious from looking at the X-ray. However, when I first saw the X-ray, I assumed it was the pelvic tilt that was causing the spinal deviation. But my docs informed me it was the other way around.

May have been born with a mild scoliosis that worsened worsened over time. Could have become more pronounced with overuse and/or tissue & muscle compensation.

Not suggesting that you necessarily have a scoliosis but an X-ray or MRI may reveal something out of whack.
 
Hmm I do have scoliosis. What do you do about a pelvic tilt!
You could see a physio/PT for some stretches & exercises. Don't know if a severe tilt can be completely corrected but, with a lot of work, I believe that it can be improved.

I should have mentioned that the pelvic tilt that I was referring to is a lateral tilt. Anterior and posterior pelvic tilts might actually be more common. I do have a bit of an anterior tilt but my primary concern is a lateral tilt due, in large part, to a scoliosis of the spine.

Some yoga postures might help moderate cases. I will try some once I, hopefully, get my tilt to be less severe. I have a couple of stretches that I perform at home. Not easy to describe. Also work with a PT that does some other adjustments / manipulations. Check out the vids below for some ideas. There are others on YT that might be better or worse.



 
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So without having extremely good 3D video + high frame rates, some things I see. Keep in mind this is more from a biomechanics perspective and not a technique perspective, though I believe your tennis will improve as a result of improving your biomechanics.

1) Overall, you hit very stiff. Just watching your posture, you have a very stiff and rounded back. I suspect given your statements of "having a very strong back" is that you have quite a bit of muscle mass that might be limiting your range of motion.
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It seems like when you serve, you are dropping your body to allow your arm to reach vertical. I actually suspect THIS is your source of pain. I don't know how your hip was feeling at the time of this video, but it looks like your hip collapses fairly quickly when you load it up on your serve. You aren't getting a lot of push off from your right leg.

2) I don't necessarily see anything in the lower part of your body when you hit open/neutral stance groundstrokes. Again, you just look pretty stiff overall. I want to say I do feel like I see some right sided scoliosis, but it might just be because that's what I want to see. It's not assessed very well if people are moving and w/ clothes on. You can bend over and touch your toes and ask a friend to look at how your spine tracks. I do worry more about your shoulder as I think your stiffness is making you really arm the ball.

I would be curious to see what your range of motion is like.
 
So without having extremely good 3D video + high frame rates, some things I see. Keep in mind this is more from a biomechanics perspective and not a technique perspective, though I believe your tennis will improve as a result of improving your biomechanics.

1) Overall, you hit very stiff. Just watching your posture, you have a very stiff and rounded back. I suspect given your statements of "having a very strong back" is that you have quite a bit of muscle mass that might be limiting your range of motion.
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It seems like when you serve, you are dropping your body to allow your arm to reach vertical. I actually suspect THIS is your source of pain. I don't know how your hip was feeling at the time of this video, but it looks like your hip collapses fairly quickly when you load it up on your serve. You aren't getting a lot of push off from your right leg.

2) I don't necessarily see anything in the lower part of your body when you hit open/neutral stance groundstrokes. Again, you just look pretty stiff overall. I want to say I do feel like I see some right sided scoliosis, but it might just be because that's what I want to see. It's not assessed very well if people are moving and w/ clothes on. You can bend over and touch your toes and ask a friend to look at how your spine tracks. I do worry more about your shoulder as I think your stiffness is making you really arm the ball.

I would be curious to see what your range of motion is like.
thanks for the analysis!

Yes when I serve and land on my right leg, I believe thats what contributes to my right hip being sore - do you think thats just from incorrect serving posture?
 
thanks for the analysis!

Yes when I serve and land on my right leg, I believe thats what contributes to my right hip being sore - do you think thats just from incorrect serving posture?
It's hard to tell what came first. Landing on the right leg isn't wrong, if anything I believe that is correct form unless things have changed since I was taught how to serve. What I am getting at with your hip is two-fold: 1) you don't really get any vertical from driving through the legs up into the air, but this isn't necessarily wrong as not everyone is at that stage to be able to do that, and 2) when you are hunched over, I wouldn't be surprised if you are impinging your hip joint during the serve. It looks like your leg is quite abducted when you land, but that might just be camera angle deception. If you look up slow motion serves on Youtube, you see that pros are really landing with their hip in mostly flexion as this allows for better shock absorption during landing.

Again, I'd be really curious to see what your shoulder range of motion is like. It looks like you struggle to go past maybe 135 degrees of abduction. Wouldn't be surprised if you had some limited internal/external rotation too with that much back muscle growth.
 
It's hard to tell what came first. Landing on the right leg isn't wrong, if anything I believe that is correct form unless things have changed since I was taught how to serve. What I am getting at with your hip is two-fold: 1) you don't really get any vertical from driving through the legs up into the air, but this isn't necessarily wrong as not everyone is at that stage to be able to do that, and 2) when you are hunched over, I wouldn't be surprised if you are impinging your hip joint during the serve. It looks like your leg is quite abducted when you land, but that might just be camera angle deception. If you look up slow motion serves on Youtube, you see that pros are really landing with their hip in mostly flexion as this allows for better shock absorption during landing.

Again, I'd be really curious to see what your shoulder range of motion is like. It looks like you struggle to go past maybe 135 degrees of abduction. Wouldn't be surprised if you had some limited internal/external rotation too with that much back muscle growth.
I did these early last year:
 
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