Open tennis kick serve practice (upper body)

[oserver]

That is quite possibly one of the stupidest things I have ever read...

Is it true that most cars have 4 wheels?

If the answer is yes, then it is a myth...

You only quote half of the story. Let me provided another half using your example -

Is it true that all cars have 4 wheels?

If the answer is yes, then it is a myth, since I have a video that shows a car with 5 wheel.

 

[arche3]

I'm pretty sure all of the many tennis pros and pro coaches have optimized the strokes. They evolve but what your advocating doesn't work for high level play. It's just not the best way to do it. All the throwing sports have similarities and open stance is not the best way. Maybe at lower rec levels it I fine but there is a limiting factor to open stance pan cake serves for higher level play.

 

[oserver]

I repeatedly saw arguments about differences of serves (overhead) and ground strokes (underhand) so whatever apply to open stance forehand (or backhand) does not apply for open stance (or grip) serves. I watched this video repeatedly, and today noticed a short section of it. It seems that Óscar Borrás was referring to open stance forehand motions while correcting his student's serve motions. Is it just referring to breathing techniques, or stroke motions also? Anyone knows Spanish can help to translate from 4:27 - 5:00?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsBv9vvDzN4

 

[psv255]

It seems that Óscar Borrás was referring to open stance forehand motions while correcting his student's serve motions. Is it just referring to breathing techniques, or stroke motions also? Anyone knows Spanish can help to translate from 4:27 - 5:00?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsBv9vvDzN4

He's talking about exhaling at contact, not after like David Ferrer, who he used as an example. No stroke instruction during that time, wasn't referring to OS fh

 

[oserver]

He's talking about exhaling at contact, not after like David Ferrer, who he used as an example. No stroke instruction during that time, wasn't referring to OS fh

Thank you.

 

[Coolio]

Is their merit to teaching some kind of open serve of some sort for a student who cannot serve with a proper motion?

If someone serves with a pancake sort of serve and cannot learn anything resembling a correct service motion, is their an argument to finding a way to improve their pancake serve to maximise their potential?

 

[oserver]

Is their merit to teaching some kind of open serve of some sort for a student who cannot serve with a proper motion?

If someone serves with a pancake sort of serve and cannot learn anything resembling a correct service motion, is their an argument to finding a way to improve their pancake serve to maximise their potential?

Case 1: for certain percentage of players who do pancake serves for life long so far and stay at usta 3.5 (some 4.0 level too), open serves may give them an options to do topspin serves without asking grip change.

Case 2: for players who have been doing topspin serves using continental grip but stop seeing any progress, open serves may let them release some muscle power from lower body (primarily the hip muscle). Except grip change, skill learned already for upper body movements are largely intact, not wasted. This is my case.

Case 3: Beginners can start with pancake serve with open grips, stay with open grip to learn topspin serve. I used to believe that in order to to topspin serves, I have to use continental grip. This is a common believe but it is a myth, not true. The video I posted to start this thread showed that open grip topspin serves can be done even without legs. Another thing worth to point out is that once you learn how to do topspin serve using one grip, transition it with another grip is pretty easy. It is true from #2 to #3, and also true from #3 to #2. The advantage of stay with open grip (for maybe 2-3 years) is to avoid the grip change barrier at the beginning stage of learning topspin serve. Once the topspin skill is learned, grip change barrier is not formidable anymore and pickup either #2 or #3 (or even #4) becomes just a personal preference.

Case 4: for advanced players looking for releasing under tapped muscle power.

Open serves have a long long way to go, since everybody is shaking head at it, not accept it as an option to serve at this point. Don't know when the wind will change somewhat toward open.

 

[LeeD]

Open shoulders and possibly feet WILL be adopted as soon as pure accuracy is premium, with no regards to power.
In DARTS, player's start open shouldered and semi open feet.
Peyton Manning throws a high percentage of his short touch passes facing the target.

 

[Power Player]

Open serves have a long long way to go, since everybody is shaking head at it, not accept it as an option to serve at this point. Don't know when the wind will change somewhat toward open.

Maybe when you stop spamming the forum for video clicks and validation approval?

 

[LeeD]

Since open stances seem to provide accuracy and touch, like darts and Manning, maybe when human's reach 7'7" tall, 400 lbs., and we shrink the court down to a smaller size, open stance serves will be all the rage!