ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Yep ... really liked it ... but had slight elbow twinge at 6 hours. It is a good fb to try to test your elbow threshold. I created a thread on fb cream (I think) ... try the search.
Origin/Cream/Velocity hybrid setup experiences?
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Yep ... really liked it ... but had slight elbow twinge at 6 hours. It is a good fb to try to test your elbow threshold. I created a thread on fb cream (I think) ... try the search.
CiscoPC600
Hall of Fame
Hmm, I've had arm issues in the past due to my Babolat but since switching to a Yonex racket I've had no issues even though I'm currently using Yonex PolyTour Strike, which is stiffer than Cream. I'll look for your thread.
EDIT: Just checked your thread, not too many posts on a fullbed of Cream. Thanks though.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
The vast majority of players will not have arm issues with Cream... my TE was one of those 8 month types. Cream is just partial poly. Look for @Automatix thread on Cream. I was liking fb Cream good enough to stick with it last spring until the slight twinge. I ended up with fb velocity because it played very similar (power level, spin) to Cream with no poly. fyi ... with RT Cream did not lose any tension from the day I picked it up from stringer to 6 hours.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
fyi ... Cream will not match best poly spin if that is what you are after. Good ... but no rpm.
CiscoPC600
Hall of Fame
Ahh, dang. I was hoping it would be at least moderate to above average in spin. TW gave it better scores for spin than Yonex Strike, which I've liked enough so far. Too bad it's not on their comparison tool to compare.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
It is above avg spin ... all poly is. I was just comparing it to rpm which was another level of spin for me. Read the tw review and check Chris's comments ... he is always a good opinion to go by.
Automatix
Legend
Origin 1.25mm/Cream 1.23mm vs Origin 1.25mm/Monogut ZX 1.22mm vs Monogut ZX 1.27mm/Origin 1.25mm
Thoughts on spin, longevity and such??? 16x20, 98sq.inch., wide spaced mains. Thx in advance.
And so the crusade for the holy grail of strings is resumed... ohhh the horror. ;-)
Thoughts on spin, longevity and such??? 16x20, 98sq.inch., wide spaced mains. Thx in advance.
And so the crusade for the holy grail of strings is resumed... ohhh the horror. ;-)
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Muppet
Legend
This isn't very qualified advice. I tried Cream 16/ZX 16 and the ZX notched the Cream quickly and easily. I think the same thing would probably happen with Origin/ZX.
I also tried Velocity/Cream. It was too muted and a little rubbery. So Origin/Cream doesn't sound any better to me, unless you like it very muted.
OTOH, ZX/Origin sounds great. I tried ZX/Velocity and liked it quite a bit. It's definitely a plush setup. But a little too comfortable for me to justify the price tag. ZX/Origin should be less muted and a very good choice.
Muppet
Legend
I haven't been able to actually put mileage on strings for the past year. First it was golfer's elbow then plantar fasciitis on my heels. But I am occasionally able to hit against a wall and practice my serve. And I am able to get a good idea of how a string setup plays.
As for ZX, I've tried it in ZX/Hitech Multifiber @56/53, ZX/Velocity @57/54, and Cream/ZX @52/56. These were all at 16g/16g. I believe ZX is best as a main string with a dead or muted cross string. But I haven't tried it in a full bed. That sounds like a noisy, crispy setup to me. But for durability and longevity I can't help you. Any strings that don't come very close to what I'd call my holy grail get cut out to try the next strings in line. This may not be helping my game (?) much.
But the word on ZX is that if you can string it up successfully, the string bed will last a very long time, depending on the cross. Also, a ZX cross requires a main string with a very durable coating.
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ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Do you care about mains tension maintenance? Origin is off the charts good with tension maintenance ... I hear ZX not so much. Origin checks a lot of mains boxes for me ... tension maintenance, doesn't fray, like the feel, I like the main the higher tension in a hybrid (just my logic ... not based on testing). Both origin and velocity play consistent enough until it breaks ... string it and forget it.
Not Muppet, but I do have some thoughts. I broke the mains in a full bed of ZX Pro in 6 hours. Mains didn't move around like SynGut does, but they didn't stay straight, either. Spin was ok, but definitely not as good as poly. Way more powerful bed than full poly.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Well I have forayed back into the poly world. BBP might have an aneurysm.
I've strung one of my ported Phantoms (softest stick ever) with gut/poly. Of course I'm not foolish enough to go Tonic/4G at 57/52 like I had done previously in my hybrids. Instead I'm trying Legend/Cream at 55/48. Will see.
I've always loved gut/poly. So this is an experiment to see how much my elbow issues were racket related or string related. Of course I still have my 3 other sticks with O/V so I'm a racket change away from plushness if I sense issues.
I've strung one of my ported Phantoms (softest stick ever) with gut/poly. Of course I'm not foolish enough to go Tonic/4G at 57/52 like I had done previously in my hybrids. Instead I'm trying Legend/Cream at 55/48. Will see.
I've always loved gut/poly. So this is an experiment to see how much my elbow issues were racket related or string related. Of course I still have my 3 other sticks with O/V so I'm a racket change away from plushness if I sense issues.
Automatix
Legend
Thank you. ZX is scrached out of my list then.
4G was that hard on your arm?
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
"BBP might have an aneurysm."
I am not the poly police
... since my TE I have tried tonic/cream, fb isospeed baseline control, fb cream, hdx tour. Crack poly is a hard addiction to beat.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
TBH it was Alu power rough that got the TE started but I couldn't tolerate any poly after that including 4G soft.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
So Played a set of singles with my Phantom 100 with Legend/Cream. Then played a set of One on One Doubles with my Phantom 93P with O/V.
L/C: I remember now why I've always liked gut/poly. Really good spin but still enough pop. Control was a little tough on flat shots with some sailing tendency due to a higher launch angle. I could get all the control I wanted with spin and certainly could hit out from the baseline and get some good angles. 2HBH was better with this string combo again because of the added spin potential. Felt very plush and comfortable, but I've never had problems with gut/poly fresh off the stringer. Only after 5-10 hrs do I feel it getting harsh. So really its going to come down to whether there is longevity to this string bed. At this point, I could not tell I was using poly.
O/V: Also a reasonably fresh string bed so it felt plush and lively. I can see why I've always called O/V the poor man's Gut/Poly. It feels similar off the string bed but the O/V does get less spin. That being said I do control direction and launch angle better with the O/V and can hit flat much more easily. A lot of that will be the racquet since the 93P is an 18x20 vs the 16x19 in the Phantom 100.
One thing I really like about O/V is the acoustics. It makes such a pleasant "pop" off the stringed on a sweet spot shot.
So in the end, if I had to take one string bed and one racquet into a crucial match, it would probably be the L/C in the 93P. If I had to pick one string bed and racquet to play every day pain free, so far it would be the Phantom 100 with O/V. L/C has to prove it's durable and playable over a reasonable length of time to win out. But for its cost, I was quite impressed.
L/C: I remember now why I've always liked gut/poly. Really good spin but still enough pop. Control was a little tough on flat shots with some sailing tendency due to a higher launch angle. I could get all the control I wanted with spin and certainly could hit out from the baseline and get some good angles. 2HBH was better with this string combo again because of the added spin potential. Felt very plush and comfortable, but I've never had problems with gut/poly fresh off the stringer. Only after 5-10 hrs do I feel it getting harsh. So really its going to come down to whether there is longevity to this string bed. At this point, I could not tell I was using poly.
O/V: Also a reasonably fresh string bed so it felt plush and lively. I can see why I've always called O/V the poor man's Gut/Poly. It feels similar off the string bed but the O/V does get less spin. That being said I do control direction and launch angle better with the O/V and can hit flat much more easily. A lot of that will be the racquet since the 93P is an 18x20 vs the 16x19 in the Phantom 100.
One thing I really like about O/V is the acoustics. It makes such a pleasant "pop" off the stringed on a sweet spot shot.
So in the end, if I had to take one string bed and one racquet into a crucial match, it would probably be the L/C in the 93P. If I had to pick one string bed and racquet to play every day pain free, so far it would be the Phantom 100 with O/V. L/C has to prove it's durable and playable over a reasonable length of time to win out. But for its cost, I was quite impressed.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Seems the better apples to apples test would be L/C vs O/C.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I think once one determines if L/C is an acceptably comfortable and durable setup, then I agree that O/C is worth looking into for a couple reasons (wet weather, ease of availability).
I might string up my second phantom 100 with O/C if L/C is doing well.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
It would be interesting to see if O/C still had that sound like you hit it 20 mph faster than you actually did. It's been too long since my one fb origin, but don't remember that sound.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I do remember an older player about 18 months ago commenting how he liked the sound I made when I was hitting the ball. I know I had Origin in the racquet but can't recall if it was full bed or in a hybrid. That's the problem when you ty too many different things. Can't always keep these things straight.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
So the 3rd foray into the L/C experiment didn't go so well initially. Lost control and couldn't keep anything in for the first 3 games. Might have been because I played doubles the night before with my 93P and that racket plays better with flattish strokes. Once I dialed in my low-to-high again the Phantom 100 with L/C started to perform far better and I won the next 12 games in a row. But the setup definitely wants me to spin the ball rather than hit flat.
Still comfortable. Gut holding up well. String movement is minimal. Probably at the 3 hour point right now.
Still comfortable. Gut holding up well. String movement is minimal. Probably at the 3 hour point right now.
BenC
Hall of Fame
Figure I should check in too. 8 hours now on my Cream/syngut hybrid at 50 lbs in my Wilson 6.1 95 across 2 rackets. Tension is still stable according to my Gamma string tester*. Elbow is slightly sore but but the soreness went away in 2 days - not TE that I had with other polys that sidelined me for 3 months. Still, I'm done with this particular setup and will try stringing at 45 lbs next to see if I can get a softer stringbed.
*The Gamma string tester does help measure tension loss - Ashaway Monogut 16L would show dramatic drops after each hour of hitting, where the tester would start at around 44 units (of what, I'm not sure) and drop 2-4 units per session. Cream so far hasn't even dropped 1 unit.
*The Gamma string tester does help measure tension loss - Ashaway Monogut 16L would show dramatic drops after each hour of hitting, where the tester would start at around 44 units (of what, I'm not sure) and drop 2-4 units per session. Cream so far hasn't even dropped 1 unit.
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