Origin/Velocity

Origin/V broke today ... got 24 hours (all ball machine hours). Played great and consistent until it broke (on a 2hbh ... that is a first and a good sign for the 2hbh :D). I'm pretty sure this will be my match strings going forward. I will restring with fb v @54, because this is the racquet I want to be the backup. This will give me a chance to compare fb v right after hitting o/v. I will then likely replace the hdx/v with o/v in #1 racquet.

FYI ... o/v broke early in hit today, so hit hdx/v. HDX/V @10 hours still feels great, and more spin than o/v (at least at 20+ hours). Not a huge bump in spin, but noticeable. My guess is hdx/cream would be really good spin for those without sensitive elbows.
 
I finally have some natural velocity so this is the first non-black V I'm using. Origin 16 g in mains at 55 and V au naturel in crosses at 52. Stringing up both the Phantom 93P and 100. And will do a comparison of a 16x19 ported midplus frame to a 18x20 non-ported mid frame. Should be interesting.
 
Just picked up a pack of Origin 16 (natural) and a pack of Head FXP 17. Going to try it in a hybrid setup to see how it compares to Klip Legend 16 and WIlson Revolve 17 which I've been using for the past 6 months. Probably going to start at 58/55. I might go down a bit from there when I string the next racket. Had thought about using Velocity but FXP got the nod. Maybe next time.
 
I finally have some natural velocity so this is the first non-black V I'm using. Origin 16 g in mains at 55 and V au naturel in crosses at 52. Stringing up both the Phantom 93P and 100. And will do a comparison of a 16x19 ported midplus frame to a 18x20 non-ported mid frame. Should be interesting.
Well i can't say i notice a big difference between natural and black V other than fewer lines on the ball. I will say that I'm probably going to string the 93P at lower tension next time. With the small head and 18x20 string bed I think it would perform better with Origin at 52 and V at 48, especially for shots around the net.
 
I hit the freshly strung o/v @55/52 with new Pro Penn Marathon balls. All of my o/v hours had been 3+ month Pro Penn M ball machine balls. As anyone who has ever hit Pro Penn M balls knows, that is about as lively as it gets.

My first thought was 55/52 may end up being 57/54 for new ball match racquet. We will see, it's a trade off. I love the extra pace ... but the ball has to go in. :D

I should have hit the other racquet freshly strung with fb v 54/52 to compare spin. O/V spin with new balls didn't seem anymore than what I remember with fb v. The feel with new balls was excellent ... love it with 2hbh. Pretty sad ... I think my 2+ year 2hbh is now more technically sound than the 40+ year FH. I should consider a 2hfh. :p
 
Hit fresh fb v and fresh o/v side by side with ball machine, and I will be sticking with o/v. More pop, more spin, like the feel, similar control. It was obvious today o/v was winning on spin. Call fb v 7/10 ... and o/v 8/10 spin. I have been discounting the spin results with 3+ month Pro Penn Marathon ball machine balls, but I think I have changed my mind. I did a bounce test with ppm balls I just have 45 minutes on with a ball machine ppm. I dropped balls from eye level, and both bounced to about the same height just above waist. How is that possible ... ppm balls are freak shows. I will do same test with brand new ppm the next can I open. Bottom line is balls still have felt and still bouncing great, good enough to test strings with.

lol ... switched to rubberband for fb v dampener ... and works fine. I can't tell the difference between it and Babolat dampener. It wouldn't work if you wanted to test with racquettune after every hit, but I have no need to check velocity or origin tension loss anymore.
 

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lol ... switched to rubberband for fb v dampener ... and works fine. I can't tell the difference between it and Babolat dampener. It wouldn't work if you wanted to test with racquettune after every hit, but I have no need to check velocity or origin tension loss anymore.
I'm all about the worm dampeners. I hate tinny type feeling of any kind.

Just give me the impact feel. Don't need the after-harsh.
Hm, I play without a damper now. I used to always hit with a damper. But I think ever since I switched to this V1Pro and have not had poly in the mains, I've been enjoying the undamped feel.

BTW, I think I'll eventually have to try out O/V someday.

Someday...
 
Well my Origin finally lost enough tension I’m enjoying it more in my 93p. Definitely will string lower next time. I think a flex midsize frame and 18x20 string bed needs a little less tension than a 100” 16x19.
 
Well my Origin finally lost enough tension I’m enjoying it more in my 93p. Definitely will string lower next time. I think a flex midsize frame and 18x20 string bed needs a little less tension than a 100” 16x19.
Actually I think I'll use the same tensions and just put in 17g strings in the 93p. That might open up the stringbed a bit for such a dense string bed.

And i finally tried the O/V combo in my POG. Previously had RIP control at 57lbs which was good but not as plush as I'd generally like. The O/V was much more comfortable even though I had it strung at 60/55 lbs of tension! Excellent control and spin. Definitely prefer the hybrid to fb RIP. But it's another racket I might prefer 17g over 16g. But in this case more for weight purposes. The POG is a little beefy and HH so less weight in the strings might get the balance a bit better for my tastes. Of course longevity might suffer but since this is my fun racket, I'm not worried about longevity that much.
 
Gonna string this up later today and debating on tensions for my blade 98L?

My last few setups ive gone 53/52 using 16g cream/origin+ cream/HDX tour but may try 54/52 for O/V
 
Gonna string this up later today and debating on tensions for my blade 98L?

My last few setups ive gone 53/52 using 16g cream/origin+ cream/HDX tour but may try 54/52 for O/V
Can't recall if the 98L is a 16x19 or 18x20. If the former then I'd probably rune the Origin at 56 and the V at 52. If the latter then I'd run Origin at 54 and V at 50.
 
fyi ... I have previously thought o/v was about the same spin as fb v. That still holds true for drives with avg spin. The other day I decided to test spin with less pace and bigger spin ... basically looping cc 2hbh landing within a yard of the baseline. Pretty much “spinny” ... hate to admit that ... but I have found the shot fun with open 2hbh. Definitely higher bounce with o/v ... fb v nipples, o/v shoulders+. :p

O/V ...looks like a long term relationship ... she completes me. :D
 

Just had to add my two cents to this, I tried this setup a few weeks ago and loved it, Cream mains/ Evolution crosses and it played like a dream, still managed a good bit of topspin and good enough power without overhitting too much, and comfortable.

Only thing is I dont think the tension maintenance last as long, but I havent measured. I've still got 2 half packs of blue/black kicking around waiting to be used
 
Just had to add my two cents to this, I tried this setup a few weeks ago and loved it, Cream mains/ Evolution crosses and it played like a dream, still managed a good bit of topspin and good enough power without overhitting too much, and comfortable.

Only thing is I dont think the tension maintenance last as long, but I havent measured. I've still got 2 half packs of blue/black kicking around waiting to be used
Based on reviews and tw data, looks like origin and hdx tour are the best on tension maintenance. Origin needs taming or higher tension, and V seems to do the trick O/V @55/52. My guess is O/HDX @55/55 might do the same, and be excellent on tension maintenance. That said, to me fb cream, fb hdx tour and fb v all play great without hybriding as long as your arm is happy. Origin is the only one where fb would not work for me ... not enough spin and I would have required 58-60lbs.

Edit: if I had to pick the best feeling fb to me at contact regardless of play out of these four strings it would be 1) origin ... then 2) cream. I honestly don't think I would have tried other strings after that first fb cream @50 if my elbow didn't get a twinge at 6 hours. I don't remember fb cream matching fb v or o/v in spin, so probably worth the experimentation ... and it's fun. ;)
 
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Based on reviews and tw data, looks like origin and hdx tour are the best on tension maintenance. Origin needs taming or higher tension, and V seems to do the trick O/V @55/52. My guess is O/HDX @55/55 might do the same, and be excellent on tension maintenance. That said, to me fb cream, fb hdx tour and fb v all play great without hybriding as long as your arm is happy. Origin is the only one where fb would not work for me ... not enough spin and I would have required 58-60lbs.

Edit: if I had to pick the best feeling fb to me at contact regardless of play out of these four strings it would be 1) origin ... then 2) cream. I honestly don't think I would have tried other strings after that first fb cream @50 if my elbow didn't get a twinge at 6 hours. I don't remember fb cream matching fb v or o/v in spin, so probably worth the experimentation ... and it's fun. ;)

I just finished stringing O/V and went with 53/51 as usual. I'll be able to try it out at cardio tennis in the morning and report back my initial thoughts. I could of kept the Cream/Origin in a tad longer but didn't want to risk it since I was probably coming up on 18-19 hours.

Speaking of- has anyone else used the red Origin 16g? Im placing a string order tomorrow and will probably get natural and red again. I got the pack free to try from a bud of mine and I dove right into hybrid.

I haven't tried Origin in FB. I did try HDX tour and Cream and my shoulder started getting iffy with FB cream around 8-10 hours and I strung it pretty low(52#)
 
I just finished stringing O/V and went with 53/51 as usual. I'll be able to try it out at cardio tennis in the morning and report back my initial thoughts. I could of kept the Cream/Origin in a tad longer but didn't want to risk it since I was probably coming up on 18-19 hours.

Speaking of- has anyone else used the red Origin 16g? Im placing a string order tomorrow and will probably get natural and red again. I got the pack free to try from a bud of mine and I dove right into hybrid.

I haven't tried Origin in FB. I did try HDX tour and Cream and my shoulder started getting iffy with FB cream around 8-10 hours and I strung it pretty low(52#)
Yes ... my one fb origin was 16g red @55. I am just assuming origin natural and red play the same. I keep saying v @52 tamed that origin 55 rocket launcher. If o natural is less powerful that might put a dent in that theory. You realize you have now rivaled @Traffic 's string testing laboratory.
 
Yes ... my one fb origin was 16g red @55. I am just assuming origin natural and red play the same. I keep saying v @52 tamed that origin 55 rocket launcher. If o natural is less powerful that might put a dent in that theory. You realize you have now rivaled @Traffic 's string testing laboratory.
I didnt know if red played different than the natural. I know Black Velocity plays different and doesent last as long as natural V. Just wanted to check all the bases as Im excited to try this setup

 
I have no problem with Origin's price. I love it's tension maintenance and comfort and that's worth the extra couple dollars. But it's better in a hybrid with slick crosses. V works great on hard courts, but the coating goes on clay a bit too fast for my liking.
So if I play only on clay, with good spin, the "fabulous" O/V hybrid is finally not a good idea?..... I'm so sad because I was sure to have finally found THE setup to leave poly harshness........ :(
 
So if I play only on clay, with good spin, the "fabulous" O/V hybrid is finally not a good idea?..... I'm so sad because I was sure to have finally found THE setup to leave poly harshness........ :(
Poly will certainly last longer on clay than V will but I've found that Natural V keeps its coating longer than black V. So I only use black V crosses on my hardcourt racquet and use natural V crosses on my clay court racquets. I'm getting a lot more life out of the hybrid if I stick with natural/natural on clay.

(And yes, I have different racquets for different surfaces. I also have different racquets for singles and doubles.)
 
Poly will certainly last longer on clay than V will but I've found that Natural V keeps its coating longer than black V. So I only use black V crosses on my hardcourt racquet and use natural V crosses on my clay court racquets. I'm getting a lot more life out of the hybrid if I stick with natural/natural on clay.

(And yes, I have different racquets for different surfaces. I also have different racquets for singles and doubles.)
(Haha that's cool!!! :D)

What you explain is just perfect because I bought a set of V 16 natural!!!!!! :p
So you confirm that O/V natural will play better than O/V black on clay?! :)

Is it possible to know your level? Thank you!
 
(Haha that's cool!!! :D)

What you explain is just perfect because I bought a set of V 16 natural!!!!!! :p
So you confirm that O/V natural will play better than O/V black on clay?! :)

Is it possible to know your level? Thank you!
O/V natural lasts longer on clay than O/V Black. They both play the same for me initially although I know some people find the black formulations stiffer.
My tournament NTRP is 3.5 but I mostly play with 4.0-4.5 players socially and in house leagues.
 
Can't wait to try!!! :D
Just watch your tensions. I think you said you were using a Pure Aero or APD. In a powerful racket like that you are going to likely want the Origin at 58 and Velocity at 54 or thereabouts. I'm using flexible low powered rackets so I ratchet down my tensions. But I do have a POG 107 that is a powerful stick. I've got O/V at 60/55lbs in that one or else it will really launch balls.
 
Just watch your tensions. I think you said you were using a Pure Aero or APD. In a powerful racket like that you are going to likely want the Origin at 58 and Velocity at 54 or thereabouts. I'm using flexible low powered rackets so I ratchet down my tensions. But I do have a POG 107 that is a powerful stick. I've got O/V at 60/55lbs in that one or else it will really launch balls.
Yes I play with Pure Aero Team custom (295g unstrung). I will try 60/55lbs first and will see.
Thanks
 
But I do have a POG 107 that is a powerful stick. I've got O/V at 60/55lbs in that one or else it will really launch balls.
The tension range of my Pure Aero Team is 60/51lbs, so I asked my stringer to string O/V 16 natural at 58/53lbs.
Do you think control will be good and not too powerful ?
 
Hi,

Usually I play fb HDX (g15L) with my Prince Warrior 100 EXO3 (2013) @55/53lbs. Switched to fb Origin (g15L) @55/53lbs for more longevity (got 15h/20h with HDX).
I want to try O/V for more spin with same power and longevity. But Velocity does'nt exist in g15L... What do you think ? O/V with gauge 15L/16 @55/51lbs (25kg/23kg, I'm from France ;)) or O/V both g16 @57/53lbs (26kg/24kg) ?
 
I want to try O/V for more spin with same power and longevity. But Velocity does'nt exist in g15L... What do you think ? O/V with gauge 15L/16 @55/51lbs (25kg/23kg, I'm from France ;)) or O/V both g16 @57/53lbs (26kg/24kg) ?
As you said V does not exist in 15L... So O/V 16 natural at 26/24 is the right choice! But you could also try O/HDX... HDX exist in 1.35 if I remember correctly... :)
 
Hi,

Usually I play fb HDX (g15L) with my Prince Warrior 100 EXO3 (2013) @55/53lbs. Switched to fb Origin (g15L) @55/53lbs for more longevity (got 15h/20h with HDX).
I want to try O/V for more spin with same power and longevity. But Velocity does'nt exist in g15L... What do you think ? O/V with gauge 15L/16 @55/51lbs (25kg/23kg, I'm from France ;)) or O/V both g16 @57/53lbs (26kg/24kg) ?
If you want more spin lower the gauges to 16, if you want more longevity then stick with 15/16. I find using V in the crosses significantly improves longevity of Origin so I'd vote 16/16g in each. But use V at 52lbs (trust me on this)
 
As you said V does not exist in 15L... So O/V 16 natural at 26/24 is the right choice! But you could also try O/HDX... HDX exist in 1.35 if I remember correctly... :)
Yes, I had uses g15L for my fb HDX. What's the benefit of O/HDX vs O/V or fb O or even fb HDX ? Will HDX slipp as well as the V with O ? Tensions maintenance ? Durability ?

If you want more spin lower the gauges to 16, if you want more longevity then stick with 15/16. I find using V in the crosses significantly improves longevity of Origin so I'd vote 16/16g in each. But use V at 52lbs (trust me on this)
Thanks ;). So 16/16g at 26/24kg (57/53lbs, 52lbs = 23.5kg). Must prestretch V for better tension maintenance and durability ?
 
Mini review on Origin / Velocity

Strung up in a POG107 25kg / 24kg (55/53)

Arm friendly - yes, this is a soft stringbed.
Feel - very good feel and playability
Power - kind of medium
Spin - good, however I am a believer that spin is produced by technique not so much equipment
Tension - off the stringer DT36 (ETR300) - one hour of play DT35 - VERY GOOD
String movement - WOW strings are all over the place, masive string movement - dont know if I hit more spin that other playeres reviewing this combo, but my strings move a lot.

Compared to my regular setup Gut/Isospeed professional classic, I think the Gut / Iso is better in every way except tension. More feel, softer, more power, NO string movement.

I hate excessive string movement, so I will cut out the Velocity and restring with HDX Tour or FXP to see if this will work.

I am testing a lot of strings, I want to find a good multi FB or multi hybrid for wet days. So far I like Technifibre Multifeel the best.

I have tried out FB:

Head Velocity
Head Rip Control
Technifibre HDX Tour
Kirschbaum Touch Multifibre
Laserfibre Supreme 2.0

Hybrid:

Gut / Velocity (Ok, some string movement, but Gut/ISO better)
Gut / Monogut ZX (dont like the feel, and some string movements)
Gut / Poly (too stiff for my sensitive arm, also including Cream, gut/sonic pro was the softest setup)

Next on the pipeline:

Technifibre NRG2
Pasific FTX
Gosen AK Control
Diadem Evolution
Head FXP

So far I have not been able to match Gut/Isospeed professional classic, but I have my hopes for AK Control

Other suggestions welcome - however I dont want to go down the Poly road.

Cheers, Toby
 
Strings after 30 minute of playing freshly strung Origin/Velocity. Velocity is a slick string, but after a few hits it seems to get kind of textured or sticky, picking up the yellow fuss from the balls. Anyone experiencing this ?



 
I just played 2 hours with O/V 16 natural and I confirm that strings are moving. But not a lot like black V. Natural V is more slick for sure.

That said, O/V give me too less spin and slice... Compare to what I can obtain with my Double AR Diablo 17, it is really night and day...

I'm sad because it was a REAL pleasure for my joints. But I need more spin for my game, defintely.

Now I will try VS Touch 16/Max Power 17 but I'm not sure it will give me more or at least same spin (and slice) as my Double AR Diablo 17..... So hard is the quest of the (almost) perfect string... :(
 
I just played 2 hours with O/V 16 natural and I confirm that strings are moving. But not a lot like black V. Natural V is more slick for sure.

That said, O/V give me too less spin and slice... Compare to what I can obtain with my Double AR Diablo 17, it is really night and day...

I'm sad because it was a REAL pleasure for my joints. But I need more spin for my game, defintely.

Now I will try VS Touch 16/Max Power 17 but I'm not sure it will give me more or at least same spin (and slice) as my Double AR Diablo 17..... So hard is the quest of the (almost) perfect string... :(
No multi setup will ever compare to FB poly or gut/poly hybrid. Hopefully your quest will find the right combo. I've learned not to sacrifice joint health for performance so I'm okay with the O/V performance given its comfort and playability.

If you do come back to O/V you might find 17g is a better option for spin. I certainly prefer it even if it cuts down the lifetime of the string bed.
 
Mini review on Origin / Velocity

Strung up in a POG107 25kg / 24kg (55/53)

Arm friendly - yes, this is a soft stringbed.
Feel - very good feel and playability
Power - kind of medium
Spin - good, however I am a believer that spin is produced by technique not so much equipment
Tension - off the stringer DT36 (ETR300) - one hour of play DT35 - VERY GOOD
String movement - WOW strings are all over the place, masive string movement - dont know if I hit more spin that other playeres reviewing this combo, but my strings move a lot.

Compared to my regular setup Gut/Isospeed professional classic, I think the Gut / Iso is better in every way except tension. More feel, softer, more power, NO string movement.

I hate excessive string movement, so I will cut out the Velocity and restring with HDX Tour or FXP to see if this will work.

I am testing a lot of strings, I want to find a good multi FB or multi hybrid for wet days. So far I like Technifibre Multifeel the best.

I have tried out FB:

Head Velocity
Head Rip Control
Technifibre HDX Tour
Kirschbaum Touch Multifibre
Laserfibre Supreme 2.0

Hybrid:

Gut / Velocity (Ok, some string movement, but Gut/ISO better)
Gut / Monogut ZX (dont like the feel, and some string movements)
Gut / Poly (too stiff for my sensitive arm, also including Cream, gut/sonic pro was the softest setup)

Next on the pipeline:

Technifibre NRG2
Pasific FTX
Gosen AK Control
Diadem Evolution
Head FXP

So far I have not been able to match Gut/Isospeed professional classic, but I have my hopes for AK Control

Other suggestions welcome - however I dont want to go down the Poly road.

Cheers, Toby

I have O/V in my POG 107. Just starting to have strings move around after probably 15hrs. My tensions are higher at 60/55 so maybe that's the difference. I definitely hit with topspin with that racket. I'm actually impressed you can keep the ball in the court with Origin at that low a tension.
 
Gut/ISO after 2 hours of hitting, no string adjustment.

Toby, what is the string pattern on the Graphite 107? I find it interesting your Gut mains aren't moving any. I tried Tonic Longevity 15L Gut mains x Iso Control Classic 16 crosses in a 16x19 Prince racquet and around the 2 hour mark the Gut mains started to move a bit. Nothing crazy, but noticeable. I strung the Gut mains at 58 and Iso Classic crosses at 60 because I understood the Iso Classic would initially drop a lot of tension and then stabilize. What do you string your Gut/Iso Classic hybrid at? I liked the set-up in terms of comfort and feel, but I felt the spin potential was average to below average, definitely less than a Gut/Poly hybrid and way less than a full bed of Poly.
 
I have tried both and I get more spin from 17 and less durability. So I use 17g in my 18x20 racket that isn't a string eater and 16g in my 16x19 string eater rackets. If I was only concerned about performance I'd use 17g in all of them.
What about O 17 / V 16 ? Could give little bit more spin you think?
 
Whoa ... you guys have been busy.

My 2 cents:

- only 100% straight strings will be fb poly ... gut/x if you are lucky
- nothing will match fb poly spin ... gut/poly close
- a setup like o/v will be better for flattish drive/moderate spin style than fb poly, fb poly will be better for big spin game ... NO STRING will be best for both
- best touch setup will not also be best spin
- topspin is not just technique

fyi ... I just hit my friend's Wilson Burn 18x16 spin racquet with Isospeed Baseline Control (smooth 16g poly) strung @45 on dw two weeks ago. I have been saying o/v is 2/3 poly spin. That might be accurate if I played the iso baseline in my same racquet ... tight 16x19 V1 Pro. Definitely NOT accurate compared to what I hit today. For the same 2hbh stroke with my V1 Pro o/v that put it high to an opponent, now you were talking over their head. I don't know how you quantify/measure that difference ... maybe 1/3 more is actually a lot ... shoulder height vs above head. All I know is it was laughably more topspin with same stroke.

But here is the dilemma ... that much spin is nice, would be very effective if I wasn't past my grinder years. Also ... don't like the way it feels ... no good for flattening out shot. It would likely be a huge adder to my kicker serve, but a negative on my "attempted" ;) flat serves. I love the idea of big ts 2hbh cc return toward alley ... but want o/v for drives and flatter passing shots.

There is not an answer :eek: ... just choices. Those of us with elbow issues have the fb poly choice removed ... less spin and a degree of crooked strings it is.

I might pull a @Dartagnan64 ... string my old Yonex RDIS 200 with fb poly for full kicker serving games only. :p Or maybe the opposite ... just use it for return games.
 
Not quite as Origin doesn't grab the ball as well as gut does. But its cheaper than VS so its a close substitute.
No good sgut or multi could grab the ball as well as gut, with slick poly as cross?

There is not an answer :eek: ... just choices. Those of us with elbow issues have the fb poly choice removed ...
I think my story with poly is not finish... My arm would support the shock for some years more. For the love of SPIN. :D
 
I might pull a @Dartagnan64 ... string my old Yonex RDIS 200 with fb poly for full kicker serving games only. :p Or maybe the opposite ... just use it for return games.
I've never quite done the in match switch for rackets although I've definitely thought about it. Serve with my 93P, Return with my Blade 104. But I think that would really screw me up since they play very differently for every other shot.
 
I've never quite done the in match switch for rackets although I've definitely thought about it. Serve with my 93P, Return with my Blade 104. But I think that would really screw me up since they play very differently for every other shot.
It's just a matter of time now ... my work here is done.
 
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