Osaka splits from coach

Kasatkina just split from her coach... how funny would it be if she hired Big Sascha and proceeded to win the next two slams?
Would be really interesting if she sees that a window has opened and hired him now to help push her to the next level. You have to take those opportunities with both hands when they come.

I like that Kasatkina uses an ATP forehand which gives her great potential.
 
For example if you had a great teacher who gets you top grades but disciplines you and shouts at you for being noisy and not listening, not working hard enough, not concentrating, criticises your work when its poor but you feel is unjustified, you score 90 and they say you need improve and get 100, your reaction might be, youre mean, i dont like you, youre so negative, I want to get rid of you.

Is that the right decision?

If you want to be peaceful and happy, sure get rid of that teacher. If you want to learn, if you want your child to learn, stick with that good teacher. The teacher is not there to be your friend , their job is to train your brain.
Except we don't even know if this is, in fact, the situation they were in. I think pretty much everyone has been in a position similar to the one you just described, and most people can tell when a figure of authority is there to help despite the toughness of the methods it may use. After all, it's all displayed in the results, so it's easy to tell that figure is getting the job done, and so it's good to have it around.

But it's because of how common these situations can be that we're prone to try and see every single hardship this very same way. We're stuck with the perspective you have, the one in which being around someone that makes us good in one thing is needed, even though it may affect other parts of ourselves, when it may not be the case. Not every negative relationship has the potential to be productive, and having good results in the short term shouldn't always be tempting enough to sacrifice your health, being physical or mental.

Or, sometimes you have to realise the hard path is the correct path in the long term. The easy comfortable option is not always the best option.
If you want to be peaceful and happy, sure get rid of that teacher. If you want to learn, if you want your child to learn, stick with that good teacher. The teacher is not there to be your friend , their job is to train your brain.

If your objective is to be happy you might end up just surrounding yourself with yes men, or take the path of least resistance all the time, and that is a mistake.
Sometimes the hard path is to take the risk of changing the already proven as effective routine in order to try to have a more healthy one. Being happy doesn't equal lack of success. Having a respectful and positive team around you doesn't mean you're gonna get spoiled and complacent. It's about striving to be the best version of yourself all around. If you feel you're prepared enough in your abilities to do your job well, it's okay to try to change the other thing that's not working in your life. In Naomi's case, she already achieved success with a situation she's not happy with, it makes sense she wants to try to achieve success with one that makes her happier.
 
First, there were rumors they were in relationship at some time, wasn't it? Second, USO final incident had everything to do with Serena. No coach could have done anything.
Is that the same source also claimed that Boris Becker was fired by Djokovic bc their relationship almost came out of the closet?
And that Sampras is suing Rampras for serve copyright infringement?
 

Sasha is wonderfully jacked for a tennis player. Wish there were more.

The idea of a romantic relationship with Osaka would be expected but that's me. I've known semi-pro/pro athletes sleeping around a lot.

The fact the guy is only 34 and in good shape is hard to ignore in the equation. Maybe she was jealous of him having a relationship with someone else.
 
Except we don't even know if this is, in fact, the situation they were in. I think pretty much everyone has been in a position similar to the one you just described, and most people can tell when a figure of authority is there to help despite the toughness of the methods it may use. After all, it's all displayed in the results, so it's easy to tell that figure is getting the job done, and so it's good to have it around.

But it's because of how common these situations can be that we're prone to try and see every single hardship this very same way. We're stuck with the perspective you have, the one in which being around someone that makes us good in one thing is needed, even though it may affect other parts of ourselves, when it may not be the case. Not every negative relationship has the potential to be productive, and having good results in the short term shouldn't always be tempting enough to sacrifice your health, being physical or mental.





Sometimes the hard path is to take the risk of changing the already proven as effective routine in order to try to have a more healthy one. Being happy doesn't equal lack of success. Having a respectful and positive team around you doesn't mean you're gonna get spoiled and complacent. It's about striving to be the best version of yourself all around. If you feel you're prepared enough in your abilities to do your job well, it's okay to try to change the other thing that's not working in your life. In Naomi's case, she already achieved success with a situation she's not happy with, it makes sense she wants to try to achieve success with one that makes her happier.
I would be more sympathetic to that approach if she was 31 not 21 and in the middle or end of their career, not at the start.

People work hard and do stuff they dont want to do or dont like to do all the time, not even to excel, sometimes its to just put food on the table.

And if after doing it for a long time you say, I need a change now I need to move forward - I get it. But shes just starting. Shes hasnt done it long enough to be having a mid life crisis. Its only been 12 months and look what they achieved together.

Are you telling me she couldnt stick it out for anther 12 months and carry on the success?

IMO it doesnt come across as a mature decision, and this is a rash decision. I dont think Eastern European players after winning 2 slams would do this even if they hated their coach. Its just a different mentality they are tougher and have a will to win.
 
By accident I looked at page 1, and saw this. Wonder if there is any source for this?
yes but Naomi is saying that he is useless ball machine. only good for hitting few balls.
Cheap and spoiled and unloyal friend. From what I am hearing, Osaka didn't really think of Sasha as being a great coach. He wasn't giving her enough good useful coaching information. He was good for hitting balls, that was about it. and when he demanded premium dollar as premiere WTA coach, she didnt' want to pay that. She only wanted to pay for ball machine kind of fee.
 
I would be more sympathetic to that approach if she was 31 not 21 and in the middle or end of their career, not at the start.

People work hard and do stuff they dont want to do or dont like to do all the time, not even to excel, sometimes its to just put food on the table.

And if after doing it for a long time you say, I need a change now I need to move forward - I get it. But shes just starting. Shes hasnt done it long enough to be having a mid life crisis. Its only been 12 months and look what they achieved together.

Are you telling me she couldnt stick it out for anther 12 months and carry on the success?

IMO it doesnt come across as a mature decision, and this is a rash decision. I dont think Eastern European players after winning 2 slams would do this even if they hated their coach. Its just a different mentality they are tougher and have a will to win.
A decision you could understand if she was 31 comes across as immature. One could look at it the other way around also I guess. But anyway, I notice you have toned down the harshness, which I applaud (for lack of a better word).
 
I would be more sympathetic to that approach if she was 31 not 21 and in the middle or end of their career, not at the start.

People work hard and do stuff they dont want to do or dont like to do all the time, not even to excel, sometimes its to just put food on the table.

And if after doing it for a long time you say, I need a change now I need to move forward - I get it. But shes just starting. Shes hasnt done it long enough to be having a mid life crisis. Its only been 12 months and look what they achieved together.

Are you telling me she couldnt stick it out for anther 12 months and carry on the success?
It doesn't depend on whether she's young or old, or if she's at the later part of her career or just starting. It's about the position she is in both emotionally and results-wise. She won in dominant fashion the AO, all while struggling emotionally with her situation. She literally said a few days ago she was just making it through each round, and couldn't wait for the AO get over. That, at least for me, is a good enough indicator that her time with Sascha was no longer producing enough positives to overcome the negatives.

She became great with Sascha as her coach. She learnt as much as she could under his guidance. Now, she's moving away from him before the ugly parts take control of all of their association. That's how all coaching relationship work.

IMO it doesnt come across as a mature decision, and this is a rash decision. I dont think Eastern European players after winning 2 slams would do this even if they hated their coach. Its just a different mentality they are tougher and have a will to win.
Some people do great with tough love. Others don't. If it has to do with nationalities or anything of that stuff, I can't tell. But for me, it's not a sign of being stronger or more mature, it all depends on the player's personality. You can't expect for all humans to thrive in the very same environment.
 
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By the way, while speculating. I can imagine hitting, bashing with a person you have a problem with, can produce a strong, armoured psyche. But that it might not be a healthy, sustainable approach.
 

Sasha is wonderfully jacked for a tennis player. Wish there were more.

The idea of a romantic relationship with Osaka would be expected but that's me. I've known semi-pro/pro athletes sleeping around a lot.

The fact the guy is only 34 and in good shape is hard to ignore in the equation. Maybe she was jealous of him having a relationship with someone else.
 
Shes out at Indian Wells, played pretty badly and got thrashed.

Its still early days but the change of coach not looking good so far. She was defending champion at Indian Wells and beat Sharapova, Radwanska, Pliskova, Halep, and Kasatkina to win it last year.
 
Osaka isn't exactly a perennial winner yet. She has 3 titles IIRC, so it's not like I expected her to win IW, new coach or not. And she's shown amazing ability on HC but anyone expecting her to win RG or Wimbledon right now are likely getting ahead of themselves.

In other words, she's not consistent yet and isn't any sort of winning machine. The only difference is that now when she loses in most tournaments - which has been her habit and often in early rounds - people will use this narrative as an easy and obvious explanation.
 
Osaka isn't exactly a perennial winner yet. She has 3 titles IIRC, so it's not like I expected her to win IW, new coach or not. And she's shown amazing ability on HC but anyone expecting her to win RG or Wimbledon right now are likely getting ahead of themselves.

In other words, she's not consistent yet and isn't any sort of winning machine. The only difference is that now when she loses in most tournaments - which has been her habit and often in early rounds - people will use this narrative as an easy and obvious explanation.
Shes won back to back grand slams. In between those slams she got to the final in Tokyo, the semi finals in Beijing and semi finals in Brisbane.

It was her form that took her to No.1 in the world.

That form has dropped off.
 
Osaka isn't exactly a perennial winner yet. She has 3 titles IIRC, so it's not like I expected her to win IW, new coach or not. And she's shown amazing ability on HC but anyone expecting her to win RG or Wimbledon right now are likely getting ahead of themselves.

In other words, she's not consistent yet and isn't any sort of winning machine. The only difference is that now when she loses in most tournaments - which has been her habit and often in early rounds - people will use this narrative as an easy and obvious explanation.
She was a winning machine with Bajin. Now suddenly she's not now that he's gone. It's quite clear.

You change a losing formula not a winning one.
 
She was a winning machine with Bajin. Now suddenly she's not now that he's gone. It's quite clear.
Literally laughing.

She's had one hot burst of form her entire career and she's played one tournament since hiring the new coach - the loss in Dubai was OBVIOUSLY related to the whole media furore concerning the coaching situation and it's an irrelevant result. So you're basing it on one event basically - Indian Wells - where she lost to a player who is apparently on fire right now in Belinda Bencic.

So how about wait a few months and see what happens.

PS, It's unreasonable to expect Naomi, who has won 3 titles, to sustain some sort of unstoppable winning form, and to carry on winning Slam after Slam after Slam. Expect disappointment at both RG and Wimbledon. Osaka fans hoping for further glory might have a long-ish wait after this initial explosion.
 

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^This. It will also be funny to see people go on and on about how she has clearly lost her form due to firing Bajin if/when she goes through the clay and grass seasons without any titles, completely ignoring the fact that she didn't do anything on those surfaces under Bajin either. Osaka herself said it's no secret she's a hard court player.
 
You have to define what is success and what is not. She signed some big endorsement deals lately. She won career prize money levels last year alone. She is rich and she is traveling the world playing tennis for a living. I am sure that she has more money than she ever dreamed of having.

If she has the people around her that make her most happy, then that is a sound, successful, personal and professional decision. She is the one who need to decide if was the right one. Her life is going to continue to be just fine. Big trophies or not.
 
Literally laughing.

She's had one hot burst of form her entire career and she's played one tournament since hiring the new coach - the loss in Dubai was OBVIOUSLY related to the whole media furore concerning the coaching situation and it's an irrelevant result. So you're basing it on one event basically - Indian Wells - where she lost to a player who is apparently on fire right now in Belinda Bencic.

So how about wait a few months and see what happens.

PS, It's unreasonable to expect Naomi, who has won 3 titles, to sustain some sort of unstoppable winning form, and to carry on winning Slam after Slam after Slam. Expect disappointment at both RG and Wimbledon. Osaka fans hoping for further glory might have a long-ish wait after this initial explosion.
Only on ttw.

She won 2 slams in a row plus finals and SFs in between.

That's a winning machine and/or winning formula. Any fool can see that.
 
^This. It will also be funny to see people go on and on about how she has clearly lost her form due to firing Bajin if/when she goes through the clay and grass seasons without any titles, completely ignoring the fact that she didn't do anything on those surfaces under Bajin either. Osaka herself said it's no secret she's a hard court player.
Are you judging her as a player that's risen to no. 1 in the world and going far in tournaments or the player she used to be.

If she gets the results that she used to get as no. 68 in the world well then something is amiss.

If you judge her on the old naomi then don't expect her to defend the US open or ao any time soon either.
 
You have to define what is success and what is not. She signed some big endorsement deals lately. She won career prize money levels last year alone. She is rich and she is traveling the world playing tennis for a living. I am sure that she has more money than she ever dreamed of having.

If she has the people around her that make her most happy, then that is a sound, successful, personal and professional decision. She is the one who need to decide if was the right one. Her life is going to continue to be just fine. Big trophies or not.
Yeh but this is a tennis forum. That fed has £300million in the bank shouldn't stop people commenting on his tennis career.
 

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Are you judging her as a player that's risen to no. 1 in the world and going far in tournaments or the player she used to be.

If she gets the results that she used to get as no. 68 in the world well then something is amiss.

If you judge her on the old naomi then don't expect her to defend the US open or ao any time soon either.
I don't expect her to defend US Open or AO either simply because even the absolute favourite on the WTA tour right now will have pretty poor odds to start for winning any given Major because of how close the field is. In my view, disappointment for Osaka would be not getting to the second week of Majors as the number 1 seeded player and not winning any premier titles in the rest of the year. Winning an another Grand Slam tournament within the next 12 months on the other hand would be a huge success.
 
Only on ttw.

She won 2 slams in a row plus finals and SFs in between.

That's a winning machine and/or winning formula. Any fool can see that.
Winning formula, or a hot streak not uncommon for players like Osaka? Because she had her fair share of bad results under Bajin

Even if Bajin was the main reason why she won the two titles, not everyone is willing to continue a partnership just for the sake of winning if they have other issues with that person.
 
Winning formula, or a hot streak not uncommon for players like Osaka? Because she had her fair share of bad results under Bajin

Even if Bajin was the main reason why she won the two titles, not everyone is willing to continue a partnership just for the sake of winning if they have other issues with that person.
Whatever his plan was it certainly coalesced nicely. I can see letting him go if it was some personal issue that couldn't be worked out but if it was over money he was definitely worth it and deserved it.

Will be fun to see how he does with his his next player.
 
Whatever his plan was it certainly coalesced nicely. I can see letting him go if it was some personal issue that couldn't be worked out but if it was over money he was definitely worth it and deserved it.

Will be fun to see how he does with his his next player.
If you look at Bajin's previous coaching relationships, they never lasted more than a year despite his players seeing some success with him

I wonder why; they surely weren't all about money
 
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