Other than A. Zverev.......who?

which youngster is most likely to have GS success

  • Tsitsipas

    Votes: 14 28.6%
  • Tiafoe

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Shapovalov

    Votes: 22 44.9%
  • Fritz

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Rublev

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • Coric

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • DeMinaur

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • Someone else

    Votes: 5 10.2%

  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
#10
Out of this lot, El Chapeau.

Put up some good performances, but hasn't found that little bit to allow him to win the tight matches.
 

NuBas

Hall of Fame
#11
Already injury-prone as much as we like them are Chung and Rublev.

Shapovalov IMO has most potential and all sudden comes Stefanos who making way into mix. Coric may be like a Wawrinka type but perhaps not as good and Fritz could be good.
 
#14
Fritz has no chance. watch some of his matches this year (other than his match with Sascha at Wimby) and you will agree. His movement is sub par.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
#15
I'm basically all of the above if we are talking SFs and hard to say who makes it first or does one get there before Zedrot.

But, I just voted for one; Tsitsipas and here's why:
1. Put up ATG great points stats on clay for MC/Barcelona run at age 19 (something like 56.5% of points won.)
2. Had an amazing grass game on his first go around at the ATP level and the best prospect on grass
3. He's had some hard court results and suspect he'll do quite well this Summer and establish himself as a threat on every surface.:eek:

Looking forward to his first matches with Zverev.:p
 
#19
I think Shapovalov will have a better serve a few years from now, but atm he's a DF machine. By the time Tsitsipas' serve improves, Shapovalov's DF % will come down with time, too.
If Stefanos makes much progress on his serve during next 2 years as in this year, he will get a genuine big serve by 2020.

Shapovalov is constrained by his height, unlike Tsissipas.
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
#21
I'm basically all of the above if we are talking SFs and hard to say who makes it first or does one get there before Zedrot.

But, I just voted for one; Tsitsipas and here's why:
1. Put up ATG great points stats on clay for MC/Barcelona run at age 19 (something like 56.5% of points won.)
2. Had an amazing grass game on his first go around at the ATP level and the best prospect on grass
3. He's had some hard court results and suspect he'll do quite well this Summer and establish himself as a threat on every surface.:eek:

Looking forward to his first matches with Zverev.:p
Here we go with you calling mugs ATGs again. :oops:
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
#24
LOL you probably called Nadal a mug in 2004.;)
Not really, he was able to beat Federer in big tournaments and beat top guys on clay in Davis Cup, ect.

You talked about how these mugs would be winning slams and making it deep, yet they are still losing in the R32. LOL. Absolute overrated mugs.
 
#25
Hopefully Fritz but probably some dumb mug.

Don't get why everyone is hyping FAA and Tiafoe. Or, maybe I do.

Realistically right now Tsitsipas.
Shapo = Tsonga
Coric = Ferrer
Rublev = Carreno Busta

 
#27
If Stefanos makes much progress on his serve during next 2 years as in this year, he will get a genuine big serve by 2020.

Shapovalov is constrained by his height, unlike Tsissipas.
Fair enough. Zverev's serve used to be pretty trash, too, but it has significantly improved in the last couple years. There's no guarantee that he'll reach that potential, though.

The thing with Shapovalov is that he serves very tall for a guy who's 6', and really jumps into the ball. He can get some really great angles. It's about as erratic as the rest of his game at the moment -- it can only get better with experience. I have more belief in Shapovalov cutting down on DF's than for Tsitsipas' serve to become a big weapon.
 
#28
Coric again chronically underrated! Gives Fed all he can handle at IW SW then beats him on his best surface and still no love?

To answer the question: I wouldn’t argue against Shaps or Tsitsipas either, but Coric can win on all surface. I see those other two guys being surface specialists more.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
#29
Not really, he was able to beat Federer in big tournaments and beat top guys on clay in Davis Cup, ect.

You talked about how these mugs would be winning slams and making it deep, yet they are still losing in the R32. LOL. Absolute overrated mugs.
Well I've never seen a player get gassed on serve like Zverev, but leave it to Zedrot with two fifth set bagels at slams and horrible serving for 7 or 8 months until Madrid this year on clay. Eventually he'll be more reliable and we'll all be disgusted with him turning out to be the most successful servebot the game has seen.

What do you mean by still losing? Tsitsipas just played his first Wimbledon and made R16. You might as well get out a Pinata and start beating on it when talking about Thiem off clay.:rolleyes:

The reality is NextGen is a very strong group of players (and even a fool like you can just look at the ATP race and see what's coming). There are only so many of them in the draw and the real issue right now is LostGen. They are the ones falling on their faces badly as main of the geriatrics fall into heavy decline. Nextgen is the group filling in the rankings while LostGen declines early. When you say over rated you might as well just say over ranked, but then that would undermine your nonsense because even you realize that rankings are reality.;)

Here's the race (since I'm not even sure you know how to look that up;)):
1. Nadal R. 5760 +720
2. Federer R. 4020 +360
3. Zverev A. 3585 +90
4. Del Potro J. 3380 +360
5. Thiem D. 2995 +10
6. Cilic M. 2915 +45
7. Anderson K. 2820 +1200
8. Isner J. 2220 +720
9. +6 Djokovic N. 2075 +720
10. +8 Nishikori K. 1610 +360
11. -2 Edmund K. 1530 +90
12. -2 Coric B. 1430 +10
13. -2 Dimitrov G. 1420 +10
14. Schwartzman D. 1410 +45
15. -2 Cecchinato M. 1387 +10
16. -4 Chung H. 1380
17. -1 Bautista Agut R. 1355
18. -1 Fognini F. 1350 +90
19. +3 Raonic M. 1305 +360
20. -1 Carreno Busta P. 1235 +10
21. -1 Goffin D. 1145 +10
22. +3 Khachanov K. 1045 +180
23. -2 Pouille L. 1010 +45
24. +6 Tsitsipas S. 992 +180
25. +6 Monfils G. 980 +180
26. -3 Gasquet R. 945 +10
27. +2 Kyrgios N. 925 +90
28. -4 Shapovalov D. 910 +45
29. +7 Simon G. 905 +180
30. -4 Seppi A. 900 +45
31. -4 Chardy J. 860 +10
32. -4 Verdasco F. 855 +10
33. -1 Kohlschreiber P. 845 +90
34. Tiafoe F. 828 +90

Call Tiafoe an overrated mug, but he's already at 34 in the race and should do quite well during the upcoming hard court season. The entire field is rapidly changing; the familiar pigeons are fading away save at the last balwark; grass court tennis.;)
 
#30
For me Coric and Tsitsipas, for all his flair and charisma I am not yet convinced that Shapovalov has what it takes. Tiafoe looks like a dangerous streaky player who will have some success too.

I’m watching these guys and reserve my right to change my mind.
 
#31
Well I've never seen a player get gassed on serve like Zverev, but leave it to Zedrot with two fifth set bagels at slams and horrible serving for 7 or 8 months until Madrid this year on clay. Eventually he'll be more reliable and we'll all be disgusted with him turning out to be the most successful servebot the game has seen.

What do you mean by still losing? Tsitsipas just played his first Wimbledon and made R16. You might as well get out a Pinata and start beating on it when talking about Thiem off clay.:rolleyes:

The reality is NextGen is a very strong group of players (and even a fool like you can just look at the ATP race and see what's coming). There are only so many of them in the draw and the real issue right now is LostGen. They are the ones falling on their faces badly as main of the geriatrics fall into heavy decline. Nextgen is the group filling in the rankings while LostGen declines early. When you say over rated you might as well just say over ranked, but then that would undermine your nonsense because even you realize that rankings are reality.;)

Here's the race (since I'm not even sure you know how to look that up;)):
1. Nadal R. 5760 +720
2. Federer R. 4020 +360
3. Zverev A. 3585 +90
4. Del Potro J. 3380 +360
5. Thiem D. 2995 +10
6. Cilic M. 2915 +45
7. Anderson K. 2820 +1200
8. Isner J. 2220 +720
9. +6 Djokovic N. 2075 +720
10. +8 Nishikori K. 1610 +360
11. -2 Edmund K. 1530 +90
12. -2 Coric B. 1430 +10
13. -2 Dimitrov G. 1420 +10
14. Schwartzman D. 1410 +45
15. -2 Cecchinato M. 1387 +10
16. -4 Chung H. 1380
17. -1 Bautista Agut R. 1355
18. -1 Fognini F. 1350 +90
19. +3 Raonic M. 1305 +360
20. -1 Carreno Busta P. 1235 +10
21. -1 Goffin D. 1145 +10
22. +3 Khachanov K. 1045 +180
23. -2 Pouille L. 1010 +45
24. +6 Tsitsipas S. 992 +180
25. +6 Monfils G. 980 +180
26. -3 Gasquet R. 945 +10
27. +2 Kyrgios N. 925 +90
28. -4 Shapovalov D. 910 +45
29. +7 Simon G. 905 +180
30. -4 Seppi A. 900 +45
31. -4 Chardy J. 860 +10
32. -4 Verdasco F. 855 +10
33. -1 Kohlschreiber P. 845 +90
34. Tiafoe F. 828 +90

Call Tiafoe an overrated mug, but he's already at 34 in the race and should do quite well during the upcoming hard court season. The entire field is rapidly changing; the familiar pigeons are fading away save at the last balwark; grass court tennis.;)
Indeed, the composition of the top 50 has changed considerably over the last 18 months.

However they remain mugs because they haven’t won grand slams while the 3 greatest players in history continue to guard the citadel.
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
#32
Indeed, the composition of the top 50 has changed considerably over the last 18 months.

However they remain mugs because they haven’t won grand slams while the 3 greatest players in history continue to guard the citadel.
How long are you going to repeat this mantra? Let me guess, you still think Fed is at his peak at near 37 years of age.
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
#33
Well I've never seen a player get gassed on serve like Zverev, but leave it to Zedrot with two fifth set bagels at slams and horrible serving for 7 or 8 months until Madrid this year on clay. Eventually he'll be more reliable and we'll all be disgusted with him turning out to be the most successful servebot the game has seen.

What do you mean by still losing? Tsitsipas just played his first Wimbledon and made R16. You might as well get out a Pinata and start beating on it when talking about Thiem off clay.:rolleyes:

The reality is NextGen is a very strong group of players (and even a fool like you can just look at the ATP race and see what's coming). There are only so many of them in the draw and the real issue right now is LostGen. They are the ones falling on their faces badly as main of the geriatrics fall into heavy decline. Nextgen is the group filling in the rankings while LostGen declines early. When you say over rated you might as well just say over ranked, but then that would undermine your nonsense because even you realize that rankings are reality.;)

Here's the race (since I'm not even sure you know how to look that up;)):
1. Nadal R. 5760 +720
2. Federer R. 4020 +360
3. Zverev A. 3585 +90
4. Del Potro J. 3380 +360
5. Thiem D. 2995 +10
6. Cilic M. 2915 +45
7. Anderson K. 2820 +1200
8. Isner J. 2220 +720
9. +6 Djokovic N. 2075 +720
10. +8 Nishikori K. 1610 +360
11. -2 Edmund K. 1530 +90
12. -2 Coric B. 1430 +10
13. -2 Dimitrov G. 1420 +10
14. Schwartzman D. 1410 +45
15. -2 Cecchinato M. 1387 +10
16. -4 Chung H. 1380
17. -1 Bautista Agut R. 1355
18. -1 Fognini F. 1350 +90
19. +3 Raonic M. 1305 +360
20. -1 Carreno Busta P. 1235 +10
21. -1 Goffin D. 1145 +10
22. +3 Khachanov K. 1045 +180
23. -2 Pouille L. 1010 +45
24. +6 Tsitsipas S. 992 +180
25. +6 Monfils G. 980 +180
26. -3 Gasquet R. 945 +10
27. +2 Kyrgios N. 925 +90
28. -4 Shapovalov D. 910 +45
29. +7 Simon G. 905 +180
30. -4 Seppi A. 900 +45
31. -4 Chardy J. 860 +10
32. -4 Verdasco F. 855 +10
33. -1 Kohlschreiber P. 845 +90
34. Tiafoe F. 828 +90

Call Tiafoe an overrated mug, but he's already at 34 in the race and should do quite well during the upcoming hard court season. The entire field is rapidly changing; the familiar pigeons are fading away save at the last balwark; grass court tennis.;)
Tiafoe is an overrated mug.

Top 10 is still filled with mugs. Don't see your point here.

*Relying on race at this point in the year is still pretty stupid.
*Also glad I got to you. LOL. It's about time someone told you how bad these players really are.
 
#34
How long are you going to repeat this mantra? Let me guess, you still think Fed is at his peak at near 37 years of age.
He’s played some great tennis year up there with some of his best ever. As I have said many times the racket has really helped. Granted he doesn’t bring the same level of consistency.

I don’t know if you watched Nadal Djoker yesterday? No decline there. They are playing as good as they ever have done.

If you any to rave on about weak eras start with Washington and Pioline and then refresh you memory and remind yourself about the players who were ranked 5-30 in prior decades. That’s real weak era stuff and it will be an uncomfortable exercise for you.
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
#35
He’s played some great tennis year up there with some of his best ever. As I have said many times the racket has really helped. Granted he doesn’t bring the same level of consistency.

I don’t know if you watched Nadal Djoker yesterday? No decline there. They are playing as good as they ever have done.

If you any to rave on about weak eras start with Washington and Pioline and then refresh you memory and remind yourself about the players who were ranked 5-30 in prior decades. That’s real weak era stuff and it will be an uncomfortable exercise for you.
Today really isn't great even if you take that into account.

They've all declined at this point. Just have no competition around to make it harder for them (well Fed loses to guys like Anderson today but that's because he's OLDER than these two).

I mean Dimitrov at #6 (as high as #3) is somehow better than Nikolay Davydenko at #3 or even Nalbandian? Get out of here.
 
#36
Today really isn't great even if you take that into account.

They've all declined at this point. Just have no competition around to make it harder for them (well Fed loses to guys like Anderson today but that's because he's OLDER than these two).

I mean Dimitrov at #6 (as high as #3) is somehow better than Nikolay Davydenko at #3 or even Nalbandian? Get out of here.
The only concession you are getting Sabratha old friend is that there is some case for saying that there is marginally less competition at the top of the game today than there was in 2012 say.

However the real point still remains and that is there is more depth to this era than in early parts of this millennium and the 90s, 80s 70s etc.

You are wanting your caking and eating it. If Fed wins it’s a weak era, if Fed loses its still a weak era. Maybe you get some strange comfort from living in a universe where the period of Hewitt's zenith is romanced to the max and writing the words ‘weak era’ releases a dopamine hit into your brain. This is all fine and good fun, but I disagree.
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
#37
The only concession you are getting Sabratha old friend is that there is some case for saying that there is marginally less competition at the top of the game today than there was in 2012 say.

However the real point still remains and that is there is more depth to this era than in early parts of this millennium and the 90s, 80s 70s etc.

You are wanting your caking and eating it. If Fed wins it’s a weak era, if Fed loses its still a weak era. Maybe you get some strange comfort from living in a universe where the period of Hewitt's zenith is romanced to the max and writing the words ‘weak era’ releases a dopamine hit into your brain. This is all fine and good fun, but I disagree.
There is a case for that... Look at who's at the top of the game LOL.

There really isn't more "depth". These are the same guys that roll over for the top guys unless they are emotionally charged for a match or so. Not really different from 2012 in terms of depth then is it?

I'm not even thinking about Lleyton but alright.

Really this era is being romanticized by people like you, trying to say that everything is going fine and everyone is peaking because it happens to be 2018 and not 1998.

Then again 1998 reminds me of today and that was a terrible time for tennis too.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
#38
Indeed, the composition of the top 50 has changed considerably over the last 18 months.

However they remain mugs because they haven’t won grand slams while the 3 greatest players in history continue to guard the citadel.
Dangerous mugs none the less who will be seeded.;) Its about to get very, very interesting.:p
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
#39
Tiafoe is an overrated mug.

Top 10 is still filled with mugs. Don't see your point here.

*Relying on race at this point in the year is still pretty stupid.
*Also glad I got to you. LOL. It's about time someone told you how bad these players really are.
So you've got Bendych roaring back in the rankings?:confused: The race undersells these players as they are all excellent on outdoor hard (Tsitsipas unproven I'll admit.)

Its pretty idiotic to call 20 year old Tiafoe a mug.;)
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
#40
So you've got Bendych roaring back in the rankings?:confused: The race undersells these players as they are all excellent on outdoor hard (Tsitsipas unproven I'll admit.)

Its pretty idiotic to call 20 year old Tiafoe a mug.;)
Not when people call guys like Querrey or Blake mugs. You think Tiafoe is actually going to win a slam?

Berdych was a terrible top player anyway, no big loss. He will just be replaced by another Goffin, Anderson or Isner.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
#41
Not when people call guys like Querrey or Blake mugs. You think Tiafoe is actually going to win a slam?

Berdych was a terrible top player anyway, no big loss. He will just be replaced by another Goffin, Anderson or Isner.
I don't rule out Tiafoe. I think he could become a top ten player and given that he actually likes clay and grass I just like the guy. Just a tremendous competitor and a joy to watch so maybe I'm biased.;)

Tiafoe is 6' 2" tall, fast, can hit over 140 mph serves, has crazy touch, and loves to fight back in matches. He's quite young so I wouldn't rule out great things for him in the future just yet.
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
#42
I don't rule out Tiafoe. I think he could become a top ten player and given that he actually likes clay and grass I just like the guy. Just a tremendous competitor and a joy to watch so maybe I'm biased.;)

Tiafoe is 6' 2" tall, fast, can hit over 140 mph serves, has crazy touch, and loves to fight back in matches. He's quite young so I wouldn't rule out great things for him in the future just yet.
Being a top 10 player and winning majors are two totally different things. For one I wouldn't rule him out in that regard but I can't see him winning a major.

Doesn't he have mental instability in big matches? I can't see him doing it but he could have some classics.

I guess it's a bit bad to call any of those guys "mugs" (besides Berdych lmao) but I think his ceiling might be lower than you think is all.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
#43
Being a top 10 player and winning majors are two totally different things. For one I wouldn't rule him out in that regard but I can't see him winning a major.

Doesn't he have mental instability in big matches? I can't see him doing it but he could have some classics.

I guess it's a bit bad to call any of those guys "mugs" (besides Berdych lmao) but I think his ceiling might be lower than you think is all.
Well I don't like Tiafoe's strokes at all, but he made a mockery of Shapo's backhand on hard courts so he's a pretty smart player.

I'd have been one to right off a player like Edmund's potential (had him top 20, but not top 10) at age 22 and he turned 23 at the beginning of the new year with a new coach and has become a more dangerous player than expected.

The one youngish player we really know is Thiem. He's not going to have any sudden leaps forward in level going forward. This year he's stronger with more stamina and its paying off in his serve stats, but now the slow speed decline begins. I'll be interested to see if Thiem has a heartbeat on outdoor hard courts this year as he was close in a lot of matches (a surprise oddity to be sure that he's not fully shaken:confused:). Still plenty of time for RG title.

Player often get a boost around the 21-22 year old age mark. I suspect Zedrot just had his on clay and Coric (six months older), just had his with the IW semi and Halle title being exhibits 1 and 2 for the case. Chung also bumped up in level post Milan for Auz Open and had a lot of QF runs in the early hard court season despite some injury issues. Khachanov has surprised me this year with a move up to 22 in the race, but his age fits the bill and he's serving better (don't expect Karen to do much on outdoor hard as his track record is better on clay and grass, so he may be one that will fall off from tracking to the top 20.) Tiafoe, Tsitsipas, Rublev, Shapo, De Minaur, Fritz, and even Ruud (turns 20 end of year) are just too young to put a ceiling on and I'd give all of them another 1 to 2 years for some steady development and then the 21/22 bump. Djokovic is a good example where he clearly bumped in 2007 by Miami/IW swing right around when he turned 21 just like Zverev this year.
 
#44
Other than Sascha, which youngster is most likely to have GS success, at least to semis?
I think Borna Coric may end up being one of the best players from this generation.

He's got big weapons and competes like a champion.

It will depend on how his body holds up. But if he stays healthy he will win grand slams.
 
#45
Well I don't like Tiafoe's strokes at all, but he made a mockery of Shapo's backhand on hard courts so he's a pretty smart player.

I'd have been one to right off a player like Edmund's potential (had him top 20, but not top 10) at age 22 and he turned 23 at the beginning of the new year with a new coach and has become a more dangerous player than expected.

The one youngish player we really know is Thiem. He's not going to have any sudden leaps forward in level going forward. This year he's stronger with more stamina and its paying off in his serve stats, but now the slow speed decline begins. I'll be interested to see if Thiem has a heartbeat on outdoor hard courts this year as he was close in a lot of matches (a surprise oddity to be sure that he's not fully shaken:confused:). Still plenty of time for RG title.

Player often get a boost around the 21-22 year old age mark. I suspect Zedrot just had his on clay and Coric (six months older), just had his with the IW semi and Halle title being exhibits 1 and 2 for the case. Chung also bumped up in level post Milan for Auz Open and had a lot of QF runs in the early hard court season despite some injury issues. Khachanov has surprised me this year with a move up to 22 in the race, but his age fits the bill and he's serving better (don't expect Karen to do much on outdoor hard as his track record is better on clay and grass, so he may be one that will fall off from tracking to the top 20.) Tiafoe, Tsitsipas, Rublev, Shapo, De Minaur, Fritz, and even Ruud (turns 20 end of year) are just too young to put a ceiling on and I'd give all of them another 1 to 2 years for some steady development and then the 21/22 bump. Djokovic is a good example where he clearly bumped in 2007 by Miami/IW swing right around when he turned 21 just like Zverev this year.
Great answer. I’m always interested in other’s opinions
 
#46
Other than Sascha, which youngster is most likely to have GS success, at least to semis?
I really can’t tell. I thought for a while who I would choose in the list, but, even though it seems evident some of those players may end up winning one, I can’t imagine any of them up for the task.
 
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