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i was in the breathe free 2 for a bit and both my knees and both my achilles got sore. switched to the barricade 2 and my knees dont bother me as much but my achilles in both legs hurt after play...even if i just start a warmup jog my achilles hurt when i land on the balls of my feet...also noticed when i walk/step my foot rolls toward my small toe(ie...forward then out to the side...) is that supination?

the barricades have arch whereas the bf2 had none so i think that helped my knees because i dont see how the barricade could have much more cushion than the breathe...or the barricade since its made of leather might be more stable up top than the plastic bf2...

i think i'm still just getting a little heel slip and could that cause achilles issues? or do i just need to drop a few ...i'm 5'7 187ish.....just flabby in the middle....waist is only 36 and chest is 42 so i'm built ok and not ALL fat :)
 
courtrage said:
i was in the breathe free 2 for a bit and both my knees and both my achilles got sore. switched to the barricade 2 and my knees dont bother me as much but my achilles in both legs hurt after play...even if i just start a warmup jog my achilles hurt when i land on the balls of my feet...also noticed when i walk/step my foot rolls toward my small toe(ie...forward then out to the side...) is that supination?

the barricades have arch whereas the bf2 had none so i think that helped my knees because i dont see how the barricade could have much more cushion than the breathe...or the barricade since its made of leather might be more stable up top than the plastic bf2...

i think i'm still just getting a little heel slip and could that cause achilles issues? or do i just need to drop a few ...i'm 5'7 187ish.....just flabby in the middle....waist is only 36 and chest is 42 so i'm built ok and not ALL fat :)
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You may wish to search my posts with the keyword achilles as I've posted quite a bit about your condition. You are pronating somehow and have developed some tendionitis in your achilles which can become very nasty and chronic if you let it go to far. As a guess, do you also have high arches and maybe hammer toes? Custom orthotics are what you need. I had this condition chronically for about 7 years..would play..have to quit..rest..play..qui....etc....finally i wised up and got good custom full length sport orthotics with rigid lifts built in, and i was able to finally eliminate the prob. If you have trouble finding info within the forum, get back to me, and i will be happy to try and help you. Do not stretch in any sort of vigorous way as you will liklely worsen the condition.
 
NoBadMojo said:
You may wish to search my posts with the keyword achilles as I've posted quite a bit about your condition. Do not stretch in any sort of vigorous way as you will liklely worsen the condition.
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dont stretch? surprised to hear that...stretching makes it feel better...i searched for 'achilles' and didnt find that much that helped...i have a normal arch...you sure i pronate? i thought i walk on the outside of foot sometimes (supinate)...
 
look at coolrunning.com for more information on Achilles Tedionitis, i'm finding i have had this ever since i started play soccer a few years ago... played through the pain.... silly silly me
 
courtrage said:
dont stretch? surprised to hear that...stretching makes it feel better...i searched for 'achilles' and didnt find that much that helped...i have a normal arch...you sure i pronate? i thought i walk on the outside of foot sometimes (supinate)...
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ya man..dont stretch other than very gently as by stretching you could be micro tearing the tendon, making your condition worse. the tendon heals very slowly as it is a very large tendon and doesnt get the blood flow because it is farthest from your heart. i dunno supination vs pronation, but your foot strike is very likely off and the orthotics will correct that..rigid heal lifts will keep the achilles from hyper extending on that axis..careful with this condition and if you go with the orthotics be carefull which ones you choose and break them in very gradually as you will be moving in a totall diff way than you are used to. the orthotics could very well correct yoyur knee issues too as they will align everything better for you
 
If you are really concerned about your achilles I recommend going to see a doctor who can diagnose exactly what your ailment is. Either a sports physician or an orthopedic physician. I would be leary of following medical advice from those who post on these boards. Just because someone had a condition that may or may not be the same or similar to what you are experiencing is no reason to do the same things they did. Between my wife and I we have had enough sports related ailments to know that no matter how much amateur advice you get it is never anywhere as good as what you get from seeing a doctor who examines your specific condition and then prescribes the best treatment.
 
i would have to agree with Cruzer, i doubt we can decide what is wrong with you just by a post on the internet... im just hoping it tendionitis and nothing worse

so im just resting it and such
 
Cruzer said:
If you are really concerned about your achilles I recommend going to see a doctor who can diagnose exactly what your ailment is. Either a sports physician or an orthopedic physician. I would be leary of following medical advice from those who post on these boards. Just because someone had a condition that may or may not be the same or similar to what you are experiencing is no reason to do the same things they did. Between my wife and I we have had enough sports related ailments to know that no matter how much amateur advice you get it is never anywhere as good as what you get from seeing a doctor who examines your specific condition and then prescribes the best treatment.
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ya//just make sure he doesnt go to the orthopedic surgeon giving the bad advice a couple threads up about TE..but you are right, people should be careful about who they pay attention to in this forum, and i suggest the OP pay no attention to you. I think the OP is smart enough to figure out there is good info and bad info on the internet, so why insult his intelligence and also negate my 7 year dance with this malady
i wish i had someone like me who had lots of experience with this 'problem' when i had this problem...someone who knew and was willing to help. i could have been back on court much sooner, and I didnt get the 'right' advice from the regarded sports physician I went to for my 'problem'. if the guys achilles hurt guess what? he's got tendonitis or tendonosis <call it what you will> unless he had them run into with a shopping cart by some old lady at Publix
I've given him solid advice, and sports orthotics are a good thing even for those who dont have any evident problems..many of the pros use them.
Going to the doctor, of course, is never bad advice provided someone goes to a quality one

To the OP. Let me know if I can help you, but be adviced that even though I have a 7 year experience with your condition, I really dont know anything about it
 
NoBadMojo said:
To the OP. Let me know if I can help you, but be adviced that even though I have a 7 year experience with your condition, I really dont know anything about it
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your input, and everyones, is much appreciated
 
NoBadMojo said:
I was being sarcastic, but you dont want your condition to become chronic, so suggest you take care of it as early as you can
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oops..i only meant to take the "let me know if i can help you" part of what you said... :)
 
this archillies thing is nasty, and seems there is a peak onset age around 30. I had this years ago after playing in some stiff shoes and for 2 years I couln't walk straight.

sports orthotics definitely helps.
stretching helped a great deal for me.
alternative excercises, like biking, swimming etc..... how did I MISS tennis during those days!
no icing. icing only helps when there is inflamation, which is usually absent for a chronicle injury like this.
do NOT use anti-inflamatories... it masks the pain and is NO help for healing.
be patient..... the ironic thing for me was that during the heel injury, I also had wrist injury, so basically I had no chance to keep playing to do further damage to either.
be careful about doctors opinions - ALWAYS get a 2nd or 3rd opinion when there is something major! I almost went for an operation on my wrist, but instinctively decided against it, and my wrist is now problem free after rest and strength maintenance.... same goes for the archillies problems, often people are told to have 'heel spurs' removed... that is a bunch bull-crap.

good luck man.
 
dozu said:
this archillies thing is nasty, and seems there is a peak onset age around 30. I had this years ago after playing in some stiff shoes and for 2 years I couln't walk straight.

sports orthotics definitely helps.

** agree

stretching helped a great deal for me.

** not a good thing to do other than for very gentle stretching for short periods of time. While stretching my make the tendon less stiff, and give you the feeling of temp relief, it is rarely good to workout or stretch an already damaged tendon


no icing. icing only helps when there is inflamation, which is usually absent for a chronicle injury like this.

** Icing is something you definitely want to do, preferably the minute you get off court if you plan on trying to play thru this. Achilles tendonitis IS an inflammed tendon, and often they are visibly swollen (inflamed)

do NOT use anti-inflamatories... it masks the pain and is NO help for healing.

** DEFINITELY USE anti inflammatories. Found that Alleve type Naproxin products help most with the inflammation rather than the pain and IB's (Advil) does better with the pain. I did reasonably well taking IB's before play and Alleve after. your mileage may vary


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NoBadMojo said:
Custom orthotics are what you need.
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what are you using and how much would a similar one cost? thanks

tried a couple ...thinkin about givin superfeet a try. guy at work (who use to be a competitive athlete) said lower achilles problems could be like shin splints...not enough cushion in the heel of the shoe and the shock of impact causes issues...i used sofsole athletes plus insoles and they had really good cushion but i got a calf problem at the time...felt like just a cramp but i had to lay off for a week...is that called tennis calf? does the fact that i got that condition from a really cushioned insole tell you anything? i know you posted something before about "air" in shoes causes the achilles to hyperextend...Marius on here said he switched to oscillates and wilsons with spenco insoles to get rid of PF...can achilles/heel pain like that just be a form of PF from shoes with poor flex? i'm in barricade 2 now...think i have slight heel slip, too
 
you guys need to cool it. This thread has some useful information. We'd hate to have to delete it over a fight.
 
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you guys need to cool it. This thread has some useful information. We'd hate to have to delete it over a fight.
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I've been trying to help the guy and be one w. useful information, as I've years of trial and error experiences with this problem, but Cruzer keeps attacking me and calling me names, which obviously contributes nothing at all and is a vile thing to do...so maybe tell HIM to cool it..i'm merely responding to his attacks, and am not interested in posting here because of him. altho i would like to help the OP, why would i wish to post here when my reward is to be attacked by an ignorant poster. each time i post here, Cruzer attacks me even after having his posts deleted..he's done that multiple times in this thread and elsewhere in the forum..it's unreasonable and ruins informative threads. he should be banned in my opinion
 
NoBadMojo said:
I've been trying to help the guy and be one w. useful information, as I've years of trial and error experiences with this problem, altho i would like to help the OP
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NBM, i agree, you should keep trying to help the OP :)

did you read his last question to you? i think he's hoping you reply ;)
 
Howdy courtrage, help is on the way -

1. I am currently working on a lengthy post with 20+ links on this topic. I've been sidelined with severe, chronic, achilees problems (plus knee and back issues) the combination of which eventually prevented me from playing from sept 05 to sept 06. I promised the board if i ever got back on the court again i would share how i did it. I intend to keep the promise.

2. I have (with the help and encouragement of the TT community) succesfully beaten the achilles problem, and have worked up to playing 3 times per week, for 1.5 - 2 hours each. My method was partially traditional, ( ice, rest, anti-inflammatory medication, orthotics, etc...) but did contain a largely unknown, but research supported training regimen. I'll try to get my post up on the board soon. Till then, hang in there, keep the faith.

3. In terms of the internal debate we have in this thread....The use of orthotics for the treatment of achilles problems, as part of an overall plan, is virtually undisputed within the medical community. Nobody disputes that this particular tactic deserves a place in the doctors bag o tricks. The usefulness of orthotics will however, vary from person to person. For NBMJ, it proved to play quite a large role for his particular flavor of problem. Ed had quite a few very helpful posts for me, and I'm eternally grateful for his contribution on this subject. The final solution will vary from not only from one patient to the next, will also vary in terms of treatment form one doc to the next. I saw 4 different doctors, and at least a dozen physical therapists. What was common about all of them, is they all had slightly different approach in what they wanted to try first. There is no magic bullet here. It is a matter of finding what works for you. It is largely a matter of trial and error.

4. Achilles tendinopathy occurs in two flavours, the type that clears in a few weeks or days, and the type that is much more persistent. For the much more persistent, chronic flavor, it would seem that tendinitis (the suffix itis means inflammation) is the less probable cause. If you are symptomatic for longer than a few days or weeks, the evidence starts to tilt more strongly in favor of tendinosis (tissue structure degenerative damage) being the culprit. There is currently a very real debate within the medical community as to which is more prevalent. The easy answer to this debate is this... anti inflammatory meds will either work, or they won't. If it works short term, but you are symptomatic upon returning the the sport, you have a muscular, and or structual weakness that needs correcting. The cure for mscle weakness is muscle strength. If you have some sort of bony deformity that predisposes you to suffer achilees bursitis, the last resort here is surgery. Even with surgery, you will have to rebuild the muscle. In the end, any way you slice it, this thing is about strength and flexibility. The bones are not going to move themselves. Aim for slow and steady progress with PT. This achilles deal just loves to throw huge peaks and valleys at you, and then it's difficult to gauge what you did right, did wrong, too much or too little. Slow and steady progress wins this race. Strength and flexibilty is the key. Inflammation is the pest that gets in the way of the gaining the strength. It is a catch 22, that CAN be overcome with just the right amount of each ingredient.

Best regards, take care
-Jack
 
ChicagoJack said:
If it works short term, but you are symptomatic upon returning the the sport, you have a muscular, structual weakness that needs correcting.
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i dont use meds but find that as soon as i play again i get it back. so perhaps i'm just out of shape... :\
 
one thing i read as well said that getting shoes with a lower heel helps with achilles tendonitis. that sounds odd to me cause i thought it was the opposite. any thoughts anyone?
 
courtrage said:
one thing i read as well said that getting shoes with a lower heel helps with achilles tendonitis. that sounds odd to me cause i thought it was the opposite. any thoughts anyone?
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Courtrage you would want the opposite..you would want rigid lifts to help prevent the tendon from hyper extending. Those shoes that advertise you are lower to the ground are going to be bad for you. The lifts help a lot if rigid enough in keeping the tendon from hyper extending on that axis, and the orthotics would take care of your problem with pronation or supination. I would caution you though that the orthotics change the way everything lines up and you should not use them for tennis right away..you should start by walking in them first and gradually morph into running on them, then playing tennis in them. I emailed someone a list of things to try and it helped him. If you want, i can try and locate it and paste it in for you. even doctors have conflicting viewpoints, but i've had a 7 year dance with achilles tendonitis in both of mine.

I have a couple questions for you....are your tendons sore down low where the achilles hooks up with your heel, or more in the middle of the tendons? Are they stiff in the morning when you wake up, then gradually loosen up through the day?
 
NoBadMojo said:
I would caution you though that the orthotics change the way everything lines up and you should not use them for tennis right away..you should start by walking in them first and gradually morph into running on them, then playing tennis in them.
I have a couple questions for you....are your tendons sore down low where the achilles hooks up with your heel, or more in the middle of the tendons? Are they stiff in the morning when you wake up, then gradually loosen up through the day?
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email me the list if you would...hurculez@aol.com. you can also post here for others if you like...

i ordered biosole gel sport insoles cause a friend recommened them...hated them! but i got them friday and played a trouny in them saturday...HUGE mistake..i ordered them again and this time i'm gonna go to work in them and take them out before i play till i adjust....if i make like i'm gonna jog/run on the balls of my feet the achilles hurt...after a day or two i dont notice anything at all...when i walk around a bit it goes away...in minutes...not hours

at first i thought it was more in the middle but now i stand on the balls of my feet bouncing a bit and its at the bottom...not 100% sure now cause i've been off the court for a couple days so its not inflamed...what does pain the bottom and middle mean to you?

another thing, when i'm in that position on the balls of my feet leaning forward, i feel the tension in both my achilles and front of my knee...what are the chances i'm just too fat and out of shape or need to go running a couple times a week in addition to tennis?
 
never realized it before nbmj said it but my pain is at the bottom near where the bone of the heel is...seems like maybe it hurts due to shock? ideas anyone?
 
courtrage said:
email me the list if you would...hurculez@aol.com. you can also post here for others if you like...

i ordered biosole gel sport insoles cause a friend recommened them...hated them! but i got them friday and played a trouny in them saturday...HUGE mistake..i ordered them again and this time i'm gonna go to work in them and take them out before i play till i adjust....if i make like i'm gonna jog/run on the balls of my feet the achilles hurt...after a day or two i dont notice anything at all...when i walk around a bit it goes away...in minutes...not hours

at first i thought it was more in the middle but now i stand on the balls of my feet bouncing a bit and its at the bottom...not 100% sure now cause i've been off the court for a couple days so its not inflamed...what does pain the bottom and middle mean to you?

another thing, when i'm in that position on the balls of my feet leaning forward, i feel the tension in both my achilles and front of my knee...what are the chances i'm just too fat and out of shape or need to go running a couple times a week in addition to tennis?
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Sorry but I could not find the email I sent to that guy. I would avoid gel insoles and stuff like that. I got mine orthotics from Dr Pete Wilson and altho it was an online thing, he will interract with you as necessary. In my case I wanted rigid lifts built into the heels..he thought that was a good idea. The place is customshoeinserts.com. I suggest you check them out. You would want their sports orthotics obviously which are fairly rigid and very durable. Before that I was having a shoemaker guy build fairly hard lifts made of dense felt into the insoles of my tennis shoes..that helped keep the tendon from hyper extending, but didnt eliminate the trouble from my foot strike being off. If your foot strike isnt so bad, you may be able to get away with just the lifts and you wont have the adjustment period
_Icing immediately after play is good
_Antiinflammatories are also good, and if they now are permitting Vioxx usage again, the Vioxx helped me, but if not try the Naproxin Sodium (Alleve).

While I am not a doctor and obviously what works for me worked for me and we are all different, I believe this to be good advice. I acquired the info from lots of trial and error, the internet, and a physician friend who is also a mountain climber (mountain climbers get this a lot i guess).

As far as where the tendon hurts. The tendon connects to the heel there. You sure dont want one to snap and roll up the back of your leg. I've heard that sickening crack sound before, and it's a long road back from that injury. You may wish to go to a sports doc and see if he thinks there is any danger of that happening..the tendon snapping like that. In my case, the chronic tendonosis I had was more in the middle of the tendon and the doc didnt think i was in any more than the usual danger of having one snap/seperate..it was more a matter of the stiffness and pain
 
ya know, i think i just need to bend my knees and get lower...my movement is lazy most of the time almost as if i'm running straightlegged cause i'm too lazy to get low...plan going forward is to try the insoles out cause extra cushion and arch support couldnt hurt since i play on hard courts mostly...warmup and stretch better...and just try harder when i play to stay low and balanced :-\

thoughts anyone?
 
update after gettin my biosole gel sport insoles yesterday...i dont know if its the arch support or raising my heel a bit but when i step forward and my foot rolls from heel to toe i didnt get the same soreness in the back of heel like i use to :)
 
NoBadMojo said:
ya//just make sure he doesnt go to the orthopedic surgeon giving the bad advice a couple threads up about TE..but you are right, people should be careful about who they pay attention to in this forum, and i suggest the OP pay no attention to you. I think the OP is smart enough to figure out there is good info and bad info on the internet, so why insult his intelligence and also negate my 7 year dance with this malady
i wish i had someone like me who had lots of experience with this 'problem' when i had this problem...someone who knew and was willing to help. i could have been back on court much sooner, and I didnt get the 'right' advice from the regarded sports physician I went to for my 'problem'. if the guys achilles hurt guess what? he's got tendonitis or tendonosis <call it what you will> unless he had them run into with a shopping cart by some old lady at Publix
I've given him solid advice, and sports orthotics are a good thing even for those who dont have any evident problems..many of the pros use them.
Going to the doctor, of course, is never bad advice provided someone goes to a quality one

To the OP. Let me know if I can help you, but be adviced that even though I have a 7 year experience with your condition, I really dont know anything about it
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I also don't have as much faith in these MDs as some people seem to. Years ago, I saw two orthopedic surgeons about a knee injury. The first said (after looking at the MRI and doing an arthroscopy to remove torn cartilage), that my ACL was completely torn(he actually used the word "kaput":rolleyes: ) and recommended that I get the ACL reconstructed by him. Because it was a fairly serious thing , I decided to research surgeons and finally went a famous one in New York who had operated on some Giants and Mets pro athletes. I went into the operation theater for the surgery, but he decided after an arthroscopic examination that it was best not to do anything after all. It has been 10 half years since, and I am more active in sports than most people my age. My bad knee is no more sore than my "good" knee after playing.

I consider the first surgeon incompetent. We hear stories all the time where two doctors' opinions differ so much that you might as well toss a coin to come up with a diagnosis.

I am fully with NBMJ in that I find extremely valuable first hand accounts of people who have suffered similar injuries to mine. Yeah there is a chance that the inury is slightly different, but my experience with doctors is that there is even higher chance of them misdiagnosing my ailment as something slightly different.
 
NoBadMojo said:
Sorry but I could not find the email I sent to that guy. I would avoid gel insoles and stuff like that.
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I just realized that my problem (pain at the point where Achilles tendon meets the heel bone) started soon after I purchased a pair of gel insoles from Sports Authority, for no real reason, under the naive assumption that more cushioing couldn't hurt.

I was also thinking that the problem was not as bad the last couple of weeks as it had been, even though I didn't do anything about it. Guess what? I have been wearing different shoes, without the inserts.

I think I am going to try a month of rest this winter, and totally avoid gel inserts. If that doesn't fix it, I look into these custom inserts you are using. But hopefully I have learnt my lesson not to try "preventive" measures.
 
People with experience in orthotics, could you please take a look at this link and see if this might be good..
http://www.ourfootdoctor.com/sportsorthotics_tennis.shtml
I have the same symptoms described here. I play about three times a week and am 6' 3" 230 lbs. so there is considerable impact on my feet! I don't feel any pain during play but after driving back home, my heel is extremely painful and its worse the next day morning. Its exactly at the spot where the tendon connects to the heel (lower part of the achilles). Its been a little better after I switched to the breathe free II's and I do give myself atleast a day of rest.
 
maverick1 said:
I just realized that my problem (pain at the point where Achilles tendon meets the heel bone) started soon after I purchased a pair of gel insoles from Sports Authority, for no real reason, under the naive assumption that more cushioing couldn't hurt.
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you sure know how to kick a guy when he's down :) i just got three pairs of these gel insoles. what insoles did you get from sports authority? dont say biosole, dont say biosole :) if you look at the biosles online you see that they arent all gel. just under the arch area...then again, my problem started before i got these insoles so i cant tie it to them...what shoes/insoles were you using and what did you switch to? thanks
 
ashwincr said:
People with experience in orthotics, could you please take a look at this link and see if this might be good..
http://www.ourfootdoctor.com/sportsorthotics_tennis.shtml
I have the same symptoms described here. I play about three times a week and am 6' 3" 230 lbs. so there is considerable impact on my feet! I don't feel any pain during play but after driving back home, my heel is extremely painful and its worse the next day morning. Its exactly at the spot where the tendon connects to the heel (lower part of the achilles). Its been a little better after I switched to the breathe free II's and I do give myself atleast a day of rest.
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do you stretch? are you a little heavy, too? i think i need to drop a little weight and i've heard that added weight can cause issues...i dont think 6'3 230 sounds bad but i'm not sure of your build...
 
courtrage said:
you sure know how to kick a guy when he's down :) i just got three pairs of these gel insoles. what insoles did you get from sports authority? dont say biosole, dont say biosole :) if you look at the biosles online you see that they arent all gel. just under the arch area...then again, my problem started before i got these insoles so i cant tie it to them...what shoes/insoles were you using and what did you switch to? thanks
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Sorry. I don't remember the brand. Could be Nike. They cost about $14 or $14.99 at Sports Authority and they are blue in color.
I put them in Wilson crossfires. I don't like these shoes that much. They are a bit stiff for my liking. It could very well be the shoes that caused the problem.
My other shoes are Wilson Crossfire II, which I like. They fit well around my foot and are more flexible than the other shoes.
 
maverick1 said:
Sorry. I don't remember the brand. Could be Nike. They cost about $14 or $14.99 at Sports Authority and they are blue in color.
I put them in Wilson crossfires. I don't like these shoes that much. They are a bit stiff for my liking. It could very well be the shoes that caused the problem.
My other shoes are Wilson Crossfire II, which I like. They fit well around my foot and are more flexible than the other shoes.
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i was recently thinkin of getting some wilson sneakers...the fantoms and the PS 800 caught my eye...mostly cause they are on sale...i searched sports authority's website and saw some spenco gel insoles for that price and figured it was those...i've had similar and just didnt use them that long cause i didnt like em...these biosoles cost 40$ each so they BETTER not suck :) my buddy recommended them...do you mostly use wilson? can you compare them to any nikes? i never knew how flat nike was inside till i got barricade 2s...i felt a craddle for my foot/arch...i can wear whatever from here on out as long as i put these insoles from one shoe to another...i've always loved nike and i still think the air offers more cushion...
 
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do you mostly use wilson? can you compare them to any nikes?
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These Wilsons and a pair of cheap $30 Prince shoes are the only ones I have ever owned. Been playing Tennis regularly for only the 15 months.
Before that I would hit once in a rare while, wearing whatever sneakers I had.
 
courtrage said:
do you stretch? are you a little heavy, too? i think i need to drop a little weight and i've heard that added weight can cause issues...i dont think 6'3 230 sounds bad but i'm not sure of your build...
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Yeah, I do stretch pretty well before playing, I am not on the heavy side, and I am pretty quick on my feet too.. I plan to lose maybe 6 pounds, but not more, I really don't like the skinny look, though I understand that low upper body mass is ideal for tennis!
 
something weird. i got home and did some start/stop running in my driveway with a pair of nike running shoes, barricade 2 with the biosole insole, and pair of breathe free ONEs...i felt nothing really with the bf1...these things are like 3 years old so it cant be a cushion issue. will play in them tomorrow to see how i feel all around. perhaps by the time i put them on i was warm enough to mask any issues...if thats not the case, then what could it be about them that just works for me....? the only thing that i think of is that they are just so low....your guys guesses are as good as mine...thoughts?
 
As I've said before, I can't treat you over the internet and will not try but I can give you some advice on the general condition and some warnings. Be careful with your achilles---this is the tendon most often torn by "weekend warriors." In case you are wondering what those are, they are generally white-collar, middle aged men that work all week and then try to go out like a warrior on the weekend and play like they are 18 again. I'm not saying you are that, but especially as we get older it is more of a concern. If it hurts is may be weakened a bit and you are more prone to tearing. If you play through the pain you may all of a sudden feel what is described as "being shot in the calf by a shotgun" and at that point you have either bought yourself a surgical repair or a cast--either way, you are not using it for about 6 weeks. The reason it is difficult to heal it is not because it it so far from your heart but rather because blood supply to tendons and ligaments is very, very poor. So, blood (which brings all the things that heal you--the "supplies" and "workers" if you will) supply is crappy which equals longer healing time and possibly chronic problems if you don't take it seriously and give it time to heal. I'd say if it hurts don't do it (just like your mom told you). Hope that helps some---as has been said, you need to see a doctor if the problem persists OR you want clearance to play despite the pain. No one (myself included) can make a single diagnosis accurately or provide a single bit of specific advice without a proper exam, history, x-ray, and/or MRI scan. Hope this helps.
 
courtrage said:
marius, i posted a thread asking you about wilsons and air oscillates in the shoe section...did u see it? reply there if you can. thanks
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Why didn't you post the link to it? I don't have time to search for it.
 
freakin hell. i'm sitting here at my computer and if i lift either foot off the ground and let the foot just hang there extended a bit the back of my heels hurts...aaaaahhhhh
 
courtrage said:
freakin hell. i'm sitting here at my computer and if i lift either foot off the ground and let the foot just hang there extended a bit the back of my heels hurts...aaaaahhhhh
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are you doing lots of stretching? you should.

but warm up gradually before it but running (even in place, say rope jumping on a soft surface), biking, etc.
 
Marius_Hancu said:
are you doing lots of stretching? you should.

but warm up gradually before it but running (even in place, say rope jumping on a soft surface), biking, etc.
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stretching more but still not enough i'd imagine...still acting like i did in highschool...step on court, hit 5 minutes, play :\
 
At this point, your issue is really simple. You don't know your enemy. You can make yourself crazy and waste a lot of time trying to stumble into the easy fix. You should go to a doctor and get a diagnosis. Once you know what the problem is, there will be a course of action lined up for you. If you have tendinitis, tendinosis, bursitis, or a partial tear, and are interested in hearing how I've overcome these issues, I'd be more than happy help you in any way that I can. It's amazing how the body heals itself if you give it a half a chance.

Hang in there, best regards to you
-Jack
 
Marius_Hancu said:
are you doing lots of stretching? you should.

but warm up gradually before it but running (even in place, say rope jumping on a soft surface), biking, etc.
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any kind of serious stretching of the achilles for this injury is absolutely the worst thing you can do for this condition. if you can find a way to stretch, execrcise, and strenghten the calf but not the achilles, that would be ok however.
 
NoBadMojo said:
any kind of serious stretching of the achilles for this injury is absolutely the worst thing you can do for this condition. if you can find a way to stretch, execrcise, and strenghten the calf but not the achilles, that would be ok however.
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um...i thought any stretching of the calf would also stretch the achilles? ie...lean toward the wall with one leg back, straight then knee bent a little would stretch both...?
 
ChicagoJack said:
At this point, your issue is really simple. You don't know your enemy. You can make yourself crazy and waste a lot of time trying to stumble into the easy fix. You should go to a doctor and get a diagnosis. Once you know what the problem is, there will be a course of action lined up for you. If you have tendinitis, tendinosis, bursitis, or a partial tear, and are interested in hearing how I've overcome these issues, I'd be more than happy help you in any way that I can. It's amazing how the body heals itself if you give it a half a chance.
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thanks! i read over some of your post last night...good stuff... :)
 
courtrage said:
um...i thought any stretching of the calf would also stretch the achilles? ie...lean toward the wall with one leg back, straight then knee bent a little would stretch both...?
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i've given you the best advice i have..you're doing other stuff, and it seems as though it isnt working so well. good luck with your injury
 
NoBadMojo said:
i've given you the best advice i have..you're doing other stuff, and it seems as though it isnt working so well. good luck with your injury
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what "other stuff" are you referring to? sounds like you were upset by my post...the only thing i can think of is stretching...what i was asking you in the last post was how to stretch my calves without stretching the achilles...i tried to stay away from good/intense stretching based on your advice but now it seems calf stretching is ok and achilles stretching is what you said to avoid and i thought they were both the same thing so i wanted to know how would you do one and avoid doing the other....? thanks
 
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