TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
I never said it was Federer. Check page one of the thread for my response from last year.
Out of the big three, is Djokovic the one who wasted the most slam titles?
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Djokodalerer31
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And i never said that you did, but the poll options for Federer do not support the logic of your argumentations, majority vote for Federer, which means that do not vote for him based on how many grand slams he should have won because he missed them or was out of shape to win on the first place, but rather based on my argumentations, that he screwed up in key moments of specific matches, such as having 40-15 on match points at the USO of 2011 or the Wimbledon 2019...
Racquet_smash
Professional
Define wasted. Because Nadal's tournaments are more missed opportunities rather than wasted chances since he didn't play those in the first place.
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
Nadal was semiretired only in 2023.
He was only a factor in rg21/22.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Some are overlooking the fact that not getting something can make you even hungrier if you are determined enough. Take for instance RG 2015, had Djokovic won that, would he had been as ruthless as he was in the following four slams? Or would he have been content for a while as he achieved the goal of winning all four slams in his career? Maybe after winning RG 2015, he might not be at his absolute peak in W 2015, and it could have resulted in Federer winning there....many assume, you can only have added more titles, that is not always true, desire, satisfaction, motivation also play a big part.
zakopinjo
Professional
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Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I agree with this. In a way Stan being Djokovic at RG 2015 was a blessing in disguise in the slam race. It made him extra determined and he blocked Fed in 3 successive slams after that. As you say if he did win RG15 maybe he loses his edge about like he did after RG2016.
Sometimes some big losses were blessings. The same with losing RG11 SF to Fed. That was a blessing in a way and then he still had the mental edge on Rafa in Wimbledon and us open. It may have been different had rafa played him in RG 2011 final and won.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
This is why, things happen the way they happen. You win what you win and you lose what you lose. Ultimately what will be remembered is that it ended with all three of them winning at least 20 slams each....how can you win so much can still have regrets that you didn't win more? LOL
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Totally agree. It’s nuts! Haha
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Injuries as far more frustrating, choking is your own responsibility. You can't control when you get injured, but you do control the decission-making in big points. Plus, Federer choked 3 matches after holding a match point against Novak in Slams, Nadal missed many more than 3 Slam matches due to injnuries. If you want to include W 2008 and the AO 2009 as Federer's chokes, you also include the AO 2012 and AO 2017 as Nadal's chokes, and so on.
With that being said, I understand Novak fans being furstrated as well with the AO 2022 (though it was his decission not to get vaccinated knowing the risk of deportation), uSO 2020 (it was his own misbnehavior, though some may think the decission to expel him was escessive) and W 2021. But Novak didn't miss nearly as many Slams (only 3: AO 2022, USO 2020 and W 2021), as Nadal due to injuries.
With that being said, I understand Novak fans being furstrated as well with the AO 2022 (though it was his decission not to get vaccinated knowing the risk of deportation), uSO 2020 (it was his own misbnehavior, though some may think the decission to expel him was escessive) and W 2021. But Novak didn't miss nearly as many Slams (only 3: AO 2022, USO 2020 and W 2021), as Nadal due to injuries.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
How's having 4 US Open (only one less than Federer and same as Novak) underperform? How's having won 4 out of 5 (80%) of USO finals underperforming, instead of being clutch? By your logic, Novak underperformed at the USO (as he won as many as Nadal), and Federer didn't dominate the USO (you can't say player X dominated the USO with only 1 more title than player B who supposedly underperformed).
Also, if Nadal with 2 AO and 2 W underperformed; being one of the only two players in Open Era history to achieve the Double Career Grand Slam, then Federer ultra-underperformed at RG.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
You what.
It's Federer and it's not even close, with his capabilities he should've ended in the 23-30 range. Djokovic second. Nadal maxed out IMO. Shouldve won more AO's maybe but definitely shouldntve won the US 4 times so it evens out.
It's Federer and it's not even close, with his capabilities he should've ended in the 23-30 range. Djokovic second. Nadal maxed out IMO. Shouldve won more AO's maybe but definitely shouldntve won the US 4 times so it evens out.
Oh yes, he underperformed at AO & WB, considering he beat Federer at WB age 22 and at AO age 23.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
He also beat Fed when no one else was but was losing to them outside while fed wasn't
Matchup + Court slowing helped him so much
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Fixed that for you.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Yep, Federer is a Sith Lord.No wonder why Federer is the son of Darth Vader, he chokes so much.
Lauren_Girl'
Hall of Fame
AO2022 wasn't missed because he was unvaccinated but because of a corrupt minister who didn't like his opinions.He had a valid exemptions and other players with with the same exemption were allowed into the country. The whole story was explained well in a recent interview. We now know he should have played that tournament. Whether he would have won is another story but given his draw.... it was a big possibility. For me he would have reached the semis at the very least. Would he have beaten Nadal and Medvedev back to back... I am tempted to say yes but we will never know for sure.
For UsO 2020 I had mixed feelings at first. Escessive decision or not? But after seeing soo many examples (list is endless) of players doing the same thing or worse and getting away with it (without even a point penalty most of the time) then yeah... I think there are lots of double standards here. To learn the German referee who made the final decision was corrupt and banned shortly after the tournament made it even more annoying. Now just like for AO22 we can't say for sure Djokovic would have beaten Zverev and Thiem. Maybe, maybe not.
The most frustrating Slam is Wimbledon 2020. RG was rescheduled in October. Can't think of a more biased and senseless decision. Imagine if it was the other way around. If the ITF chose to cancel RG and reschedule Wimbledon. Slam race would probably be 25-21 instead of 24-22. Djokovic was unbeatable on grass until 2023, the cancellation of the tournament in 2020 will always be an injustice for him.
I also wonder sometimes if Nadal fans whining about his injuries have amnesia. Djokovic literally sabotaged 4 complete seasons because of his gluten intolerance, his asthma and his allergies... He was riddled with injuries for nearly 2 other years between 2016 and 2018, Fedal won 6 Slams because of it. He was injured in dozens of other Slams including some Slams he won (AO21 and AO23 but not only). To pretend he didn't waste at least 25 Slams for injuries and allergies is ludicrous.
gamelovergold
Professional
Fedrer at FO 5 finals lost 4 of them to nadal. Huge underperformance.
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
Federer spent a lot of his career without a traveling coach. Would he have won many more Slams with more variety in his game plans? I think so.
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