Overall peak/prime age?

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There has been long and probably neverending discusions about "What is A's peak/prime". Some (looking at you @Lew ) even claím that Federer is in his peak at 35. However this thread should not be about (or at least not only) Federer, I have higher ambitions. I would like to discuss and idealy decide what is the overall peak/prime age for tennis player. I of course know there will be exception, however is there any age we can agree on?

For start I did some research. Here are 15 best players of Open era (or better said 15 out of 20 best, because for the 5 (Laver, Rosewall, Ashe, Newcombe and Nastase) the OE started "too late" as they were already quiet old and would not be fair to use them for age comparison) as per "GOAT ranking" by UTS with their set winning percentage at each season. On the left is the age they end the season at (so 19 means the player turned 19 in that season, ie played some matches as 18 yo and some as 19 yo).

Red is the best season the player ever played by this metric, yellow 5 other best ones (in case of Fed and Nadal 6, because one of their best is this year, which is not completed yet and could change. For the same reason I choose as best seasons only completed ones).

On the right you can se average set winning percentage for all players of that age.

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Based on this table I would split "normal" tennis career into 6 parts.

15-18 - "Junior age" - many players dont even play and when they do, the dont have the best results.
19-20 - early prime - most of the truly great players already started to be one of the best in the world. Some even scored their best season already but in general there is still room to improvement. Set winning % is about 70%.
21-26 - peak age - 11 out of 15 players have their best seasons in this period and majority of their peak seasons is also here. Average winning % is also highest, every season high above 70%.
27-30 - late prime - most players have their best behind them but still can play some great tennis. Set percentage and therefore playing level similar to early prime (about 70%).
31-35 - post prime - most players are not the players they were before however still are able to produce solid, about the end of top 10 resulds. Winning percentage drops to 60s. Many players retire at this age.
36+ - retirement age - most players are at this age already retired. The ones who are not have problem being consistent and lose about as often as they win (W% about 50s).

Some fun facts: Out of the 16 peak seasons any player posted aged 28 or more 13 were in one of the two "Weak eras" - 1998-2003 (Sampras 1, Agassi 3) or 2014+ (Murray and Djokovic 2 including their best one, Nadal 2, Federer 3). Only exception when such an old player had peak season in strong(er) era is Connors's and Vilas's 1982 and Lendl's 1989.

Best season by this metric is clearly McEnroes 1984 (as 25 yo, 89,5 %), followed by Federers 2005 (24 yo, 86,2 %), Connors 1976 (24 yo, 85,5 %), Borgs 1979 (23 yo, 85,4 %) and Lendls 1982 (22 yo, 85,4).

In 1982 5 players have their peak season - Vilas, Connors, McEnroe, Wilander and Lendl.
In 1988 4 players have their peak season - Vilas, Edberg, Becker and Lendl. In OE there is no other season with more than three such players.

In all of his 6 peak seasons Lendl has always at least 2 other ATGs in their peak seasons (Borg, Vilas, Connors, McEnroe 3x, Wilander 3x, Edberg 3x, Becker 3x). Next "best" (or least lucky if you want) at this regard was Connors with 4 such a seasons out of 7 (his sixth and seventh best seasons are both 79,3% so he has 7 peak seasons).

The "most lucky" ATG in this regard is Sampras. 4 out of his 6 peak year did not overlap with any other ATG peak season and the other two with just one (Agassi 2x).
 
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There has been long and probably neverending discusions about "What is A's peak/prime". Some (looking at you @Lew ) even claím that Federer is in his peak at 35. However this thread should not be about (or at least not only) Federer, I have higher ambitions. I would like to discuss and idealy decide what is the overall peak/prime age for tennis player. I of course know there will be exception, however is there any age we can agree on?

For start I did some research. Here are 15 best players of Open era (or better said 15 out of 20 best, because for the 5 (Laver, Rosewall, Ashe, Newcombe and Nastase) the OE started "too late" as they were already quiet old and would not be fair to use them for age comparison) as per "GOAT ranking" by UTS with their set winning percentage at each season. On the left is the age they end the season at (so 19 means the player turned 19 in that season, ie played some matches as 18 yo and some as 19 yo).

Red is the best season the player ever played by this metric, yellow 5 other best ones (in case of Fed and Nadal 6, because one of their best is this year, which is not completed yet and could change. For the same reason I choose as best seasons only completed ones).

On the right you can se average set winning percentage for all players of that age.

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Based on this table I would split "normal" tennis career into 6 parts.

15-18 - "Junior age" - many players dont even play and when they do, the dont have the best results.
19-20 - early prime - most of the truly great players already started to be one of the best in the world. Some even scored their best season already but in general there is still room to improvement. Set winning % is about 70%.
21-26 - peak age - 11 out of 15 players have their best seasons in this period and majority of their peak seasons is also here. Average winning % is also highest, every season high above 70%.
27-30 - late prime - most players have their best behind them but still can play some great tennis. Set percentage and therefore playing level similar to early prime (about 70%).
31-35 - post prime - most players are not the players they were before however still are able to produce solid, about the end of top 10 resulds. Winning percentage drops to 60s. Many players retire at this age.
36+ - retirement age - most players are at this age already retired. The ones who are not have problem being consistent and lose about as often as they win (W% about 50s).

Some fun facts: Out of the 16 peak seasons any player posted aged 28 or more 13 were in one of the two "Weak eras" - 1998-2003 (Sampras 1, Agassi 3) or 2014+ (Murray and Djokovic 2 including their best one, Nadal 2, Federer 3). Only exception when such an old player had peak season in strong(er) era is Connors's and Vilas's 1982 and Lendl's 1989.

Best season by this metric is clearly McEnroes 1984 (as 25 yo, 89,5 %), followed by Federers 2005 (24 yo, 86,2 %), Connors 1976 (24 yo, 85,5 %), Borgs 1979 (23 yo, 85,4 %) and Lendls 1982 (22 yo, 85,4).

In 1982 5 players have their peak season - Vilas, Connors, McEnroe, Vilander and Lendl.
In 1988 4 players have their peak season - Vilas, Edberg, Becker and Lendl. In OE there is no other season with more than three such players.

In all of his 6 peak seasons Lendl has always at least 2 other ATGs in their peak seasons (Borg, Vilas, Connors, McEnroe 3x, Wilander 3x, Edberg 3x, Becker 3x). Next "best" (or least lucky if you want) at this regard was Connors with 4 such a seasons out of 7 (his sixth and seventh best seasons are both 79,% so he has 7 peak seasons).

The "most lucky" ATG in this regard is Sampras. 4 out of his 6 peak year did not overlap with any other ATG peak season and the other two with just one (Agassi 2x).
Some comments:
1) the best season of Wilander is undoubtedly 1988, not when he was 19 (there must be a big error;)).
2) the best age is 21-26
3) there is some anomaly due mainly to the last great champions: Djoker & Murray have had the best years because Fedal were less performing, Fedal resurrected because Djoker & Murray are injured.
4) between 20-21 and 26-27 the average difference is substantial.
5) Agassi numbers are leaping
6) the career of Borg = McEnroe.
 
"Some (looking at you @Lew ) even claím that Federer is in his peak at 35" - This is old trick of people like him.In 2015 they also claimed Federer is at its peak at 33/34 years of age - ridiculous idea.Mark my words when Nadal and Djokovic gets to 33/34 years of age these same people will be silent
 
There has been long and probably neverending discusions about "What is A's peak/prime". Some (looking at you @Lew ) even claím that Federer is in his peak at 35. However this thread should not be about (or at least not only) Federer, I have higher ambitions. I would like to discuss and idealy decide what is the overall peak/prime age for tennis player. I of course know there will be exception, however is there any age we can agree on?

For start I did some research. Here are 15 best players of Open era (or better said 15 out of 20 best, because for the 5 (Laver, Rosewall, Ashe, Newcombe and Nastase) the OE started "too late" as they were already quiet old and would not be fair to use them for age comparison) as per "GOAT ranking" by UTS with their set winning percentage at each season. On the left is the age they end the season at (so 19 means the player turned 19 in that season, ie played some matches as 18 yo and some as 19 yo).

Red is the best season the player ever played by this metric, yellow 5 other best ones (in case of Fed and Nadal 6, because one of their best is this year, which is not completed yet and could change. For the same reason I choose as best seasons only completed ones).

On the right you can se average set winning percentage for all players of that age.

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Based on this table I would split "normal" tennis career into 6 parts.

15-18 - "Junior age" - many players dont even play and when they do, the dont have the best results.
19-20 - early prime - most of the truly great players already started to be one of the best in the world. Some even scored their best season already but in general there is still room to improvement. Set winning % is about 70%.
21-26 - peak age - 11 out of 15 players have their best seasons in this period and majority of their peak seasons is also here. Average winning % is also highest, every season high above 70%.
27-30 - late prime - most players have their best behind them but still can play some great tennis. Set percentage and therefore playing level similar to early prime (about 70%).
31-35 - post prime - most players are not the players they were before however still are able to produce solid, about the end of top 10 resulds. Winning percentage drops to 60s. Many players retire at this age.
36+ - retirement age - most players are at this age already retired. The ones who are not have problem being consistent and lose about as often as they win (W% about 50s).

Some fun facts: Out of the 16 peak seasons any player posted aged 28 or more 13 were in one of the two "Weak eras" - 1998-2003 (Sampras 1, Agassi 3) or 2014+ (Murray and Djokovic 2 including their best one, Nadal 2, Federer 3). Only exception when such an old player had peak season in strong(er) era is Connors's and Vilas's 1982 and Lendl's 1989.

Best season by this metric is clearly McEnroes 1984 (as 25 yo, 89,5 %), followed by Federers 2005 (24 yo, 86,2 %), Connors 1976 (24 yo, 85,5 %), Borgs 1979 (23 yo, 85,4 %) and Lendls 1982 (22 yo, 85,4).

In 1982 5 players have their peak season - Vilas, Connors, McEnroe, Vilander and Lendl.
In 1988 4 players have their peak season - Vilas, Edberg, Becker and Lendl. In OE there is no other season with more than three such players.

In all of his 6 peak seasons Lendl has always at least 2 other ATGs in their peak seasons (Borg, Vilas, Connors, McEnroe 3x, Wilander 3x, Edberg 3x, Becker 3x). Next "best" (or least lucky if you want) at this regard was Connors with 4 such a seasons out of 7 (his sixth and seventh best seasons are both 79,% so he has 7 peak seasons).

The "most lucky" ATG in this regard is Sampras. 4 out of his 6 peak year did not overlap with any other ATG peak season and the other two with just one (Agassi 2x).
I admit I did not understand where you recovered the points from.
From those points it must be assumed that the seasons / age with > 800 points are:
7 Federer & Nadal
6 Lendl
5 Connors & McEnroe
4 Borg & Djokovic
1 Becker, Agassi & Vilas
0 Sampras:(
 
Some comments:
1) the best season of Wilander is undoubtedly 1988, not when he was 19 (there must be a big error;)).
2) the best age is 21-26
3) there is some anomaly due mainly to the last great champions: Djoker & Murray have had the best years because Fedal were less performing, Fedal resurrected because Djoker & Murray are injured.
4) between 20-21 and 26-27 the average difference is substantial.
5) Agassi numbers are leaping
6) the career of Borg = McEnroe.

1) Not mistake. While he was considerably better at slams in 1988 (but still won AO and had RG final in 83) he was much better everywhere else in 83. 9 titles to 5, 7 top 5 wins to 3, overall 82-11 to 52-11. Better in 83, if you use just matches, not tournament value.
2) Happy to agree.
3) In my opinion the main anomaly is because there are no younger champions.
4) Yes, which is part of the reason I chose it as the beginning and end of peak age.
5) ??
6) In my opinion Borg was overall better/more dominant but that is just my opinion. I have Borg as top 5 OE players.
 
I admit I did not understand where you recovered the points from.
From those points it must be assumed that the seasons / age with > 800 points are:
7 Federer & Nadal
6 Lendl
5 Connors & McEnroe
4 Borg & Djokovic
1 Becker, Agassi & Vilas
0 Sampras:(

Those "points" are set winning percentage in each season (times 10 because it is easier to write it without .). Sorry for not being clear.

Otherwise you are correct. Sampras was never as dominant in single season as the other ATG on his level.
 
Good work! Detailed work :D I did a somewhat more broad job a few years back, updating it ever year... Average age of mens grand slam champions in the open era.

Australian Open: 25.6
Roland Garros: 24.3
Wimbledon: 24.5
US Open: 25.2

So yeah, this tends to go with the idea of 24-26, of course in recent years these numbers are skewing ever more upwards. Roland Garros a few years ago was 23 something.
 
1) Not mistake. While he was considerably better at slams in 1988 (but still won AO and had RG final in 83) he was much better everywhere else in 83. 9 titles to 5, 7 top 5 wins to 3, overall 82-11 to 52-11. Better in 83, if you use just matches, not tournament value.
2) Happy to agree.
3) In my opinion the main anomaly is because there are no younger champions.
4) Yes, which is part of the reason I chose it as the beginning and end of peak age.
5) ??
6) In my opinion Borg was overall better/more dominant but that is just my opinion. I have Borg as top 5 OE players.
1) Usually I do not like to insist but in this case I see an important commitment on your part .. so I point out that Mats in 1988 won 5 tournaments but of these over 3 slam also 2 almost slam (like Cincy and especially Key Biscayne that in that period was a almost-slam)
5) I wanted to say that Agassi's performance is incredibly fluctuating.
6) I did not want to discuss the Borg v Mac careers but I just wanted to argue that the two careers have a similar trend (rise and boom in the same period, decline in the same period).
 
OP can you do it by decade? For instance, the 80s had an unusual amount of teenage winners, how much does that sway things?
 
Havent you heard? Human genetics changed the last ten years, 35 is evidently the new 25. In 5-6 years Nishikori will start to cash In slams.
 
1) Usually I do not like to insist but in this case I see an important commitment on your part .. so I point out that Mats in 1988 won 5 tournaments but of these over 3 slam also 2 almost slam (like Cincy and especially Key Biscayne that in that period was a almost-slam)
5) I wanted to say that Agassi's performance is incredibly fluctuating.
6) I did not want to discuss the Borg v Mac careers but I just wanted to argue that the two careers have a similar trend (rise and boom in the same period, decline in the same period).

1) Well once I choose objective criteria I have to follow them. I chose set winning % and for Wilander the best one is in 1983. It is the same for Fed (2006 is his best season for most yet here it is 2005) or Lendl (in 1982 he did not win single slam yet his set % percentage was highest in his career).
5) Agree.
6) Agree.
 
There has been long and probably neverending discusions about "What is A's peak/prime". Some (looking at you @Lew ) even claím that Federer is in his peak at 35. However this thread should not be about (or at least not only) Federer, I have higher ambitions. I would like to discuss and idealy decide what is the overall peak/prime age for tennis player. I of course know there will be exception, however is there any age we can agree on?

For start I did some research. Here are 15 best players of Open era (or better said 15 out of 20 best, because for the 5 (Laver, Rosewall, Ashe, Newcombe and Nastase) the OE started "too late" as they were already quiet old and would not be fair to use them for age comparison) as per "GOAT ranking" by UTS with their set winning percentage at each season. On the left is the age they end the season at (so 19 means the player turned 19 in that season, ie played some matches as 18 yo and some as 19 yo).

Red is the best season the player ever played by this metric, yellow 5 other best ones (in case of Fed and Nadal 6, because one of their best is this year, which is not completed yet and could change. For the same reason I choose as best seasons only completed ones).

On the right you can se average set winning percentage for all players of that age.

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Based on this table I would split "normal" tennis career into 6 parts.

15-18 - "Junior age" - many players dont even play and when they do, the dont have the best results.
19-20 - early prime - most of the truly great players already started to be one of the best in the world. Some even scored their best season already but in general there is still room to improvement. Set winning % is about 70%.
21-26 - peak age - 11 out of 15 players have their best seasons in this period and majority of their peak seasons is also here. Average winning % is also highest, every season high above 70%.
27-30 - late prime - most players have their best behind them but still can play some great tennis. Set percentage and therefore playing level similar to early prime (about 70%).
31-35 - post prime - most players are not the players they were before however still are able to produce solid, about the end of top 10 resulds. Winning percentage drops to 60s. Many players retire at this age.
36+ - retirement age - most players are at this age already retired. The ones who are not have problem being consistent and lose about as often as they win (W% about 50s).

Some fun facts: Out of the 16 peak seasons any player posted aged 28 or more 13 were in one of the two "Weak eras" - 1998-2003 (Sampras 1, Agassi 3) or 2014+ (Murray and Djokovic 2 including their best one, Nadal 2, Federer 3). Only exception when such an old player had peak season in strong(er) era is Connors's and Vilas's 1982 and Lendl's 1989.

Best season by this metric is clearly McEnroes 1984 (as 25 yo, 89,5 %), followed by Federers 2005 (24 yo, 86,2 %), Connors 1976 (24 yo, 85,5 %), Borgs 1979 (23 yo, 85,4 %) and Lendls 1982 (22 yo, 85,4).

In 1982 5 players have their peak season - Vilas, Connors, McEnroe, Wilander and Lendl.
In 1988 4 players have their peak season - Vilas, Edberg, Becker and Lendl. In OE there is no other season with more than three such players.

In all of his 6 peak seasons Lendl has always at least 2 other ATGs in their peak seasons (Borg, Vilas, Connors, McEnroe 3x, Wilander 3x, Edberg 3x, Becker 3x). Next "best" (or least lucky if you want) at this regard was Connors with 4 such a seasons out of 7 (his sixth and seventh best seasons are both 79,3% so he has 7 peak seasons).

The "most lucky" ATG in this regard is Sampras. 4 out of his 6 peak year did not overlap with any other ATG peak season and the other two with just one (Agassi 2x).
Interesting and good analysis in general.
However, there is one result with which I strongly disagree, as a product of the metrics employed. I believe there is a general consensus that Vilas peak/prime occurred together in 1977, and not in 1982.
I am talking about 1977, year in which Vilas deserved to be the number #1 of ATP, one of the biggest injustices of the rankings history.
 
There has been long and probably neverending discusions about "What is A's peak/prime". Some (looking at you @Lew ) even claím that Federer is in his peak at 35. However this thread should not be about (or at least not only) Federer, I have higher ambitions. I would like to discuss and idealy decide what is the overall peak/prime age for tennis player. I of course know there will be exception, however is there any age we can agree on?

For start I did some research. Here are 15 best players of Open era (or better said 15 out of 20 best, because for the 5 (Laver, Rosewall, Ashe, Newcombe and Nastase) the OE started "too late" as they were already quiet old and would not be fair to use them for age comparison) as per "GOAT ranking" by UTS with their set winning percentage at each season. On the left is the age they end the season at (so 19 means the player turned 19 in that season, ie played some matches as 18 yo and some as 19 yo).

Red is the best season the player ever played by this metric, yellow 5 other best ones (in case of Fed and Nadal 6, because one of their best is this year, which is not completed yet and could change. For the same reason I choose as best seasons only completed ones).

On the right you can se average set winning percentage for all players of that age.

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Based on this table I would split "normal" tennis career into 6 parts.

15-18 - "Junior age" - many players dont even play and when they do, the dont have the best results.
19-20 - early prime - most of the truly great players already started to be one of the best in the world. Some even scored their best season already but in general there is still room to improvement. Set winning % is about 70%.
21-26 - peak age - 11 out of 15 players have their best seasons in this period and majority of their peak seasons is also here. Average winning % is also highest, every season high above 70%.
27-30 - late prime - most players have their best behind them but still can play some great tennis. Set percentage and therefore playing level similar to early prime (about 70%).
31-35 - post prime - most players are not the players they were before however still are able to produce solid, about the end of top 10 resulds. Winning percentage drops to 60s. Many players retire at this age.
36+ - retirement age - most players are at this age already retired. The ones who are not have problem being consistent and lose about as often as they win (W% about 50s).

Some fun facts: Out of the 16 peak seasons any player posted aged 28 or more 13 were in one of the two "Weak eras" - 1998-2003 (Sampras 1, Agassi 3) or 2014+ (Murray and Djokovic 2 including their best one, Nadal 2, Federer 3). Only exception when such an old player had peak season in strong(er) era is Connors's and Vilas's 1982 and Lendl's 1989.

Best season by this metric is clearly McEnroes 1984 (as 25 yo, 89,5 %), followed by Federers 2005 (24 yo, 86,2 %), Connors 1976 (24 yo, 85,5 %), Borgs 1979 (23 yo, 85,4 %) and Lendls 1982 (22 yo, 85,4).

In 1982 5 players have their peak season - Vilas, Connors, McEnroe, Wilander and Lendl.
In 1988 4 players have their peak season - Vilas, Edberg, Becker and Lendl. In OE there is no other season with more than three such players.

In all of his 6 peak seasons Lendl has always at least 2 other ATGs in their peak seasons (Borg, Vilas, Connors, McEnroe 3x, Wilander 3x, Edberg 3x, Becker 3x). Next "best" (or least lucky if you want) at this regard was Connors with 4 such a seasons out of 7 (his sixth and seventh best seasons are both 79,3% so he has 7 peak seasons).

The "most lucky" ATG in this regard is Sampras. 4 out of his 6 peak year did not overlap with any other ATG peak season and the other two with just one (Agassi 2x).
Another interesting question regarding Fedal is; how can they still win?
  • Is It because of the "buffer" to the field? (The Bolt-effect). They were so far ahead of the field in their prime, that they can decline but still be better than the rest.
  • Is It because they havent declined that much?
  • Is It because of an extremely weak field?
 
Interesting and good analysis in general.
However, there is one result with which I strongly disagree, as a product of the metrics employed. I believe there is a general consensus that Vilas peak/prime occurred together in 1977, and not in 1982.
I am talking about 1977, year in which Vilas deserved to be the number #1 of ATP, one of the biggest injustices of the rankings history.

You misunderstood me here. I also have 1977 as Vilas best year (as 25 yo, in red). However his 1982 season still belong between his 6 best one which I call peak/prime seasons (in yellow).
 
Another interesting question regarding Fedal is; how can they still win?
  • Is It because of the "buffer" to the field? (The Bolt-effect). They were so far ahead of the field in their prime, that they can decline but still be better than the rest.
  • Is It because they havent declined that much?
  • Is It because of an extremely weak field?

In my opinion it is combination of all three but the biggest part is the weak field, especially right now. The vacuum of good young players is unpreceded.
 
You misunderstood me here. I also have 1977 as Vilas best year (as 25 yo, in red). However his 1982 season still belong between his 6 best one which I call peak/prime seasons (in yellow).
Sorry, for some unknown reason, l am not always able to see the tables and pictures attached to posts. I just saw that chart.
 
last 23 matches against Nadal, Djokovic, Murray: 15 wins and 8 losses

first 38 matches against baby Nadal, Djokovic, Murray: 15 wins and 23 losses.
 
In my opinion it is combination of all three but the biggest part is the weak field, especially right now. The vacuum of good young players is unpreceded.
Yes probably a combination.

There have been many like Lew. He doesnt like Fed and tries to statistically kill him, fair enough. But the haters usually all make the same mistake, they use Rog as a kind of universal constant, who has been on the same level sinse 2003. Then they compare every player to him. But as every sane person knows, Federer (as everyone else) has his peak, prime and his ups and downs. But he usually did pretty good vs the field, no matter what. It's a lot easier to see that for example Djokovic Isn’t In his prime.
 
It doesn't take into consideration the quality of opossition so its useless.

It actully does take into consideration the quality of opponents. In the only logically correct way. You either are better than your opponent and win or worse and lose.

Some hypothetical matches against other players from different times may be fun to discuss but for any analysis they are absolutely useless.
Even using things like ranking of the opponent cannot hold in historical comparison - for one, the ranking system is absolutely different to the one we had in 70' or 80'. Even 90' or most of the 00'. Not only the ranking system changed, also the structure of tour changed dramatically. There were separete tours, some GS were not played by best ones, Masters as we know did not exist or were optional, the difference between the surfaces were bigger and there even were more surfaces (wood, carpet)... Just not comparable.

Basically all the players I used are/were the best players in the word. Such a players alwayes played against the best in a way that was normal in their time, none of them has "vultured" his stats. At least not at their peak.
 
last 23 matches against Nadal, Djokovic, Murray: 15 wins and 8 losses

first 38 matches against baby Nadal, Djokovic, Murray: 15 wins and 23 losses.

Poor guys, to be a baby till 22... What are they now at their 30', adolescents?

However this gives me some idea. Will come back with some more stats.

btw, not so fast with quitting, are we? ;)
 
For a top 10 player I'd say:

U-18 = Junior years (Most are still in grade school and playing in juniors/challengers) - the highly gifted players may turn pro earlier
18-21 = Rise up the rankings (learning stage of career)
22-27 = Peak years (self-explanatory)
28-32 = Later prime years (not as good as peak years but can still be productive if healthy)
33-35 = Decline years (unless you're extremely elite, this is around the age where production begins to slide)
36+ = Retirement age (at this point, if you haven't retired already, many are wondering why you're still here)
 
Except Djokovic there is not a single player older than 27 in top 10, i think its safe to say that human nature hasnt changed after all.

Im shocked that Nishikori, Raonic, Goffin and Dimitrov arent racking up slams atm, as i was told that 30-35 is now the new 25.
Yeah and what about Wawrinka? I hear a fair bit on here on how he's an example of players winning the big tournies in their late 20s + ... Well, what has he done post 31, is what i'd like to know. All his contemporaries, Tsonga, Berdych, Ferrer, all fell off a cliff at 32 or so.
 
Yeah and what about Wawrinka? I hear a fair bit on here on how he's an example of players winning the big tournies in their late 20s + ... Well, what has he done post 31, is what i'd like to know. All his contemporaries, Tsonga, Berdych, Ferrer, all fell off a cliff at 32 or so.
Cool thing about Wawrinka is that he was mentally tough enough to beat Big3 on the big stage, not many players younger than Big3 could do that. He was somewhat a late bloomer, but not 35y. Stan couldnt beat Rafa on clay or Federer on HC, and he couldnt beat anyone on grass. But he was a big match player that have beaten all Big3 in slams. He won his 3 slams beating Big3 in the finals, thats way more than any of the post-Djokodal players has done. To me he will always be great, and remembered as the Djok-slayer:cool:
 
Cool thing about Wawrinka is that he was mentally tough enough to beat Big3 on the big stage, not many players younger than Big3 could do that. He was somewhat a late bloomer, but not 35y. Stan couldnt beat Rafa on clay or Federer on HC, and he couldnt beat anyone on grass. But he was a big match player that have beaten all Big3 in slams. He won his 3 slams beating Big3 in the finals, thats way more than any of the post-Djokodal players has done. To me he will always be great, and remembered as the Djok-slayer:cool:
He truly saved tennis on multiple occasions :D

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