Overheads.....=(

JongJong

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Ok, I cannot hit an overhead. I also have a weak serve. But most importantly, I cannot hit an overhead. Everytime i try to I miss.

If the lob comes directly towards me, I hit it long or into the back fence.

If the lob is a little behind me, it goes into the net or into the back fence.

The only overhead I can it is a short one where I just smack the ball down onto the ground.

How can I fix this? What can I practice to fix this? Any techinque tips?
 
My coach always says I need to be side ways on and that I should be able to 'head' the tennis ball if i wasn't going to hit it. This has helped improve my over-head massively. Also do not try and hit the overhead too hard and focus on timing it.
 
i am not advanced but this works for me. If it would bounce on the service line or closer, i try to take it before the bounce. If behind, then i tend to let it bounce and let it bounce to about serve toss height.

I go sideways, as in a serve, left arm pointing up at the ball, i recall from badminton days (where overheads are much more common), i was told that if you miss it should hit you on the head. like the serve motion, i try to move my body weight forward into the hit, and have a smooth stroke, not trying to hit the skin off the ball, but get it in smoothly. If you time it well, the pace will be enough. I generally try to hit it where the person isnt, but focus more on a clean stroke from a good position, then if it comes back again, it will be another smash or winner opportunity (usually).

This works for me, before this, i got all tense and felt i had to smash the cover off the ball and win the point. and missed most of them. Since i stopped thinking like that, i am much more comfortable now with overheards.
 
Racket goes straight up, step sideways, keep your head up, track the ball with your non dominant arm, and follow through
 
Ok, I cannot hit an overhead. I also have a weak serve. But most importantly, I cannot hit an overhead. Everytime i try to I miss.

If the lob comes directly towards me, I hit it long or into the back fence.

If the lob is a little behind me, it goes into the net or into the back fence.

The only overhead I can it is a short one where I just smack the ball down onto the ground.

How can I fix this? What can I practice to fix this? Any techinque tips?

I used to have a major problem with overheads as well, so I know exactly how you feel. The overhead is the most difficult shot to learn in tennis, I'd even say it's more difficult than a serve. When you serve, you have control over where you want to toss the ball AND your feet stays stationary, which is not the case during an overhead.

Here are some tips which I'm sure you'll find useful:
1. Watch some vids of pros hitting overheads. If you don't know what the correct form is supposed to look like, then there's no point in showing you anything else. Pay attention to everything, their feet, where they're facing, what's their off-hand doing, what's their racquet doing, their elbows, their elbows, their knee-bends, their follow-through, their wrist snap, all of it.

2. You should realize this if you've analyzed the videos thoroughly, but I will say it anyhow, make sure you stand sideways to the ball.

3. Your non-dominant hand should be pointing up, toward the ball, and keep it up until you swing through the ball. This motion is very much like a serve when you keep your tossing arm up.

4. Bend your knees a little bit, again just like the serve.

5. Timing is key! Make sure that the ball is still high when you go for an overhead, if it's too low it'll go toward the net. How can you tell the correct height? For most people, it's just simply their service toss height.

6. Stay calm and relaxed. Don't try and force a lot of power into your overheads, you don't need to.

First reason: a lot of power comes from timing and transferring your bodyweight into the shot, it has little to do with how hard you can swing.

Second reason: a lot of players have a tough time returning overheads, no matter how lightly you hit it, as long as it's not going toward their comfort zone.

Most people are scared of returning overheads, mainly because they're expecting their opponents to do something crazy with it, therefore they've pretty much mentally gave up on the point already. All you need to do is get the overhead in, and try to hit it to where they're not, it's as simple as that.

Remember how you feel when you send up a lob for someone else to overhead? Yea, that's how your opponents will feel as well, so just focus on timing, placement and form. Without good form, your overheads will be too weak to do anything, form alone will give you all the power you need.
 
Make sure you are using a continental grip and turning sideways. Typically, players who hit into the net or well long are facing the net, using an eastern forehand grip, and swinging leading with the hitting elbow through contact. This lays the racquet back and you end up either hitting the ball late, (into the back fence) or over compensate and hit the ball way early into the net.

If you have trouble with your serve, I would bet it is related to your grip as well. You can't generate the right kind of spin, nor a lot of spin if you are using an eastern forehand grip.

Post a video. There are many here who can help you.
 
Everyone gave great advice. I won't.
Overhead is the key to playing net, so it's the first thing I practiced after hitting serves....before groundies for sure. Groundies, you can boop the ball back, and it's OK. Overheads, if you do that, point is over.
 
Probably the weakest part of my game. Hard to find someone to practice it with so I practice against a wall. I start close to the wall and hit a ball down (gently at first) to the ground about halfway between me and the wall. It hits the wall and arcs over me and I hit another one and another one moving back further and further. I try to concentrate on my form and keeping the shot under control rather than murdering it. I can do this for several minutes without stopping and when I eventually reach the point where the wall's return hits the back fence of the handball court I start over close to the wall and do it some more.

My overhead still stinks but I find this exercise helpful.
 
Use a Continental grip, keep the arm loose and relaxed. As soon as you see the lob go up keep your feet moving and stay light on them. Position yourself sideways and underneath the ball and use your non-dominant hand to track the ball by opening your hand like your going to catch the ball with it, this will keep your eyes on it. Get into the trophy position with the racquet already up like as halo over your head, then extend towards the ball and snap your wrist at contact so that you hit the ball down into the court, when ever I over hit smashes its cause I didnt get enough wrist snap. Remember placement is generally better than power, work on hitting a controlled shot, once you can hit it well and consistently with good placement then you can work on really juicing it up.
 
Without getting too technical, the way you can improve the fastest is practice. Practice makes consistent, which results in muscle memory and confidence.

The biggest difficulty with overhead in lower level players is the mental barrier. You overcome that by building confidence thru practice.

When you practice, stand at the service line and ask to be fed lobs of varying depth, not ones that you can easily smash at the net. You want to be comfortable anywhere on the court...
 
dont try to hit it flat. think of a second serve.

my oh sucks too. my feet are clueless on what to do when I recognized one. a miracle i can get them back.
 
Did you grow up throwing a football, baseball, softball?
An overhead has basically the same mechanics.
But you need to practice movement. This is what seperates the two. Your feet have to get in the right place first.
 
Overheads can be difficult for a lot of people... make sure you are in good position (move......), keep the ball in front of you. Concentrate on making good contact (center the ball on your racket), pick a target, don't overhit, and most importantly... stay on the ball. Most people look away from any shot they make way too soon, causing you to mishit the ball, the ball should be gone off your racket before you look away.

Swing... feel the impact then look.
 
My best shot at the net now is an overhead on the full - I was told in very simple terms what to do and it improved my game immensely:
- Continental grip
- follow ball with left hand
- sideways stand with ball near directly overhead
- swing through ball with smooth motion and time the stroke - don't try and belt the shizen out of it

It has helped me hit overheads from almost anywhere - now just need help with my damn volleys....
 
Well, here's a little trick you might try if you think timing is the part of the problem - my bet it is. Rather than keeping your racquet straight up, which is good advice, get the racquet down behind your back so when you swing, all you have to do is come into the ball. I've found many who this really helps because it simplifies the stroke.
 
Well, here's a little trick you might try if you think timing is the part of the problem - my bet it is. Rather than keeping your racquet straight up, which is good advice, get the racquet down behind your back so when you swing, all you have to do is come into the ball. I've found many who this really helps because it simplifies the stroke.

This is a good advice... On difficult overheads I go even more extreme (in terms of simplifying) and brought the racket back about just a feet or so to get in the prepare position, then lean forward into contact and use the leaning mass and arm muscling for power... Dont copy me though!
 
dont try to hit it flat. think of a second serve.
I try to slice it a bit. Seems to make it more consistent.

But with my overhead, it's not really like a serve. I actually hit it more over my right shoulder than directly above me like on a serve.

My overhead is pretty bad. Unless you have a ball basket or somebody who can feed them, it's tough to practice.
 
Adapt slice into your overhead when you're behind no man's land, for depth control.
If you're inside 6' behind the service line, better to power thru flat or slightly softer flat overheads.
When you're inside no man's land, you're vulnerable to a pass, so need a more forcing, harder shot.
I don't slice or any second serves, ever.
 
Everything posted here are great. But if you just want to succesfully slam your overhead without all the things that you have to do - Hit the ball when its in FRONT of you! That's the only thing, the balls that goes long is becuase you hit the ball when it is positioned behind you body. If you hit the ball in front of the body, you have a winner!
 
So much of this type of advice really depends on the lob itself and where your positioned. Taking overheads behind the baseline can be tricky but most likely we're talking about bounce overheads or the ball would be "out".

Even overheads behind the serviceline present problems for a lot of intermediate players and often they are better off to let them bounce. This might run contrary to advice a lot will give but just watch these players (intermediate) and see how many of these shots they screw up. Most of the problems are with timing but nevertheless, they can really butcher the shot.

From a couple of feet behind the serviceline and in, all of these should be taken in the air and hit at an angle unless you are quite sure the bounce will be over the opponents heads.
 
This is a good advice... On difficult overheads I go even more extreme (in terms of simplifying) and brought the racket back about just a feet or so to get in the prepare position, then lean forward into contact and use the leaning mass and arm muscling for power... Dont copy me though!
im gonna go think about what you just said and try it :twisted:
 
I"m not sure hitting in front works, for me anyways.
I use a conti grip, like a serve without coming in. Ball has to land on my right shoulder (me lefty), for a forcing overhead.
 
There's some good advice here, but to really improve the most important thing you can do is practice is regularly. If you practice it enough it will improve. If you don't practice it, you won't be good at it by thinking about moves. Good players routinely have excellent overheads, they make it look easy. But they only came to be that way through lots and lots of practice.
 
Biggest problem in rec players - hitting overheads like serves - the preparation is much different

If you start with your racquet pointed down and behind your back/leg (like you are winding up for a serve), you will miss!

If you start with your racquet pointed up and above (and slightly behind) your head you will be in good shape.
 
Did you grow up throwing a football, baseball, softball?
An overhead has basically the same mechanics.
But you need to practice movement. This is what seperates the two. Your feet have to get in the right place first.

Yes, I like this comparison. But I would add to it.

There are two distinct types of baseball throw.
The kind an outfielder throws from center field trying to throw a man out at the plate.
It is a full windup, the arm is straightening during the forward motion and the ball is high over his head to generate maximum centrifugal force.
The kind a third baseman throws is different. It is clasically an explosion from the chest, almost like a cannonball coming out of his upper torso.
[Note in recent years the sidearm infield throw has become popular and accepted too]

To apply this to learning an overhead I would suggest using the third baseman model.
But imagine you are throwing directly up to the sky.
Also it will be easier if you open the face a bit to compensate for the falling ball.
Timing a closed face is somewhat harder IMO.

Also, the overhead should be a more simplified version of a serve.
The falling ball is difficult to time so a simplified motion like the third baseman's throw is called for.

Hope that helps.
 
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Although I've gotten away from doing this, one good way to learn the serve motion is take a couple of old racquet out on a field and see how far you can throw them using an overhead motion. This gets the player used to the correct motion.

Everyone also realizes that the big difference between the overhead and the serve is that you have to move to get to the overhead instead of being in a stationary position and secondly, because of gravity the ball is accelerating at 32 fps as it drops, so its going much faster and the timing has to be better than necessary for a serve.

Of course when lobs are hit (and most are) with topspin we have a third element because the ball is not descending in a typical "baseball fly ball" situation and they are not going to bounce in a typical manner either.
 
... you're right ... the overhead smash is actually one of the most difficult shots in tennis ... and ... yes, the pros make it look so easy ... but then ... they make all the shots look pretty simple ... the key to hitting the overhead is footwork and positioning ... as soon as you see the lob, you have to turn sideways and move as quickly as you can to the optimal spot to hit the overhead ... most rec players react too slowly ... and ... they make the mistake of NOT going back far enough ... consequently ... at the last second they're trying to adjust ... by moving backwards ... or ... trying to hit the ball when it is too far behind them ... it's probably a good tip to go back further than you think you should ... then you can adjust ... by moving forward which is always easier to do than vice versa ... the tip about practicing is also important ... the overhead is definitely a confidence shot ... you gain confidence through hours of hard practice ... good luck and let us know how the progress is coming along!
 
... you're right ... the overhead smash is actually one of the most difficult shots in tennis ... and ... yes, the pros make it look so easy ... but then ... they make all the shots look pretty simple ... the key to hitting the overhead is footwork and positioning ... as soon as you see the lob, you have to turn sideways and move as quickly as you can to the optimal spot to hit the overhead ... most rec players react too slowly ... and ... they make the mistake of NOT going back far enough ... consequently ... at the last second they're trying to adjust ... by moving backwards ... or ... trying to hit the ball when it is too far behind them ... it's probably a good tip to go back further than you think you should ... then you can adjust ... by moving forward which is always easier to do than vice versa ... the tip about practicing is also important ... the overhead is definitely a confidence shot ... you gain confidence through hours of hard practice ... good luck and let us know how the progress is coming along!

I agree, when I do this things seem to go better...if time go back further than necessary, small adjustment steps forward, and hit the shot.
 
I agree with Davis937 the biggest issue for most players is that they are too slow to get in position. If you work on quickly getting into position it should solve most of your problems... the second thing that I feel is important is to shorten your stroke... you don't need to take a big cut on the ball... keep your overhead stroke compact... pick a spot on the court and focus on clean contact.

Edit: I forgot what may be the most important part... stay on the ball... try not to look away until you hear and feel contact. In fact you should try and do that on every stroke... if I could only provide one tip that would be it.
 
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Agree early prep and abbreviated stroke works best.
The trophy position is a good starting position. If you still have late timing issues, start with the racket head down, to shorten the motion further. Oft hand point up at the downward falling ball.
I like to hit most overheads like a 3/4 first serve swing....or a half speed slice serve swing when I'm chicken and cautious.
 
Agree early prep and abbreviated stroke works best.
The trophy position is a good starting position. If you still have late timing issues, start with the racket head down, to shorten the motion further. Oft hand point up at the downward falling ball.
I like to hit most overheads like a 3/4 first serve swing....or a half speed slice serve swing when I'm chicken and cautious.

Actually I lead more with my elbow than my off hand...
 
The idea of leading with hand/elbow is exactly the same.
You do this to get turned, to adopt the archer's bow, and to focus similar to your servers.
It's not good to look up at overheads, but keep your body level as in groundies. That's why you oft hand/elbow upwards.
 
Don't get your racket up ahead of time, like some are recommending. This will make matters worse. Have you ever seen a pro do this? Running back and forth to get to the best location is hard enough, add the racket cocked, and it's even harder, you loose your balance.
Try this with a friend. Have him lob you. Now without a racket, get to the ball turn sideways and then try to catch it with your left hand, above your head (if your right handed). Do this over and over. Once you master this you will be ready to swing.
 
My serve is my best shot - so i find footwork is the most important thing for overheads. Its very important to get sideways and soon as you recognize and then to run back like a QB dropping back.. Practice this footwork pattern..

Of course this is easier said then done.. Also I prefer a relatively "flat" overhead shot. My normal 'default" serve has a lot of slice and I found myself slicing too many overheads.. The angles are usually easier then with the serve so you can be more aggressive with it anyway..

As for the arm pointing and racquet back stuff - you can wait till your pretty close to the ball IMHO. That's what the above poster is talking about. As an amateur though you hopefully don't have to cover as much ground as a pro so it doesn't kill you.

If you take a few drill classes you will get a ton of easy overheads to really hone your technique on. After a while I would encourage the pro to hit me extra hard ones...cause those gimmee ones can be a bit too easy.
 
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Question for LeeD

Agree early prep and abbreviated stroke works best.
The trophy position is a good starting position. If you still have late timing issues, start with the racket head down, to shorten the motion further. Oft hand point up at the downward falling ball.
I like to hit most overheads like a 3/4 first serve swing....or a half speed slice serve swing when I'm chicken and cautious.

Hey, Lee ... what's the prevailing thought on this ... I know you recommend using the off hand to track the ball ... others say we should use the elbow ... what's the latest thinking on this ... thanks in advance for your comments!
 
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Don't really understand your question.
When you hit an overhead, it's just a serve with your opponent tossing the ball up really high, so you adopt the same principle techniques.
You gotta point at the ball, with hand or elbow, since you serve with a toss, don't you?
And pointing upwards, as I said, forces the archer's bow in your trunk, a key to power on overhead strokes.
Pointing at the ball insures you're looking at it.
As for prep, some people have fast swings and good timing, so start at trophy.
Other's are just learning it, so shorten your prep.
Quite often, from around the service line, within 3', I swing just as hard as I would on first flat serves, going for a 110+ flat overhead into an open court. I'd like to think I'm about 90% doing that from the service line.
 
Turn sideways and hit it like a slice serve. You don't need to kill it, and the spin will likely win you the point, anyways. Your opponent would need to come up with a miraculous shot to return an overhead with slice.
 
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Now we get some really strange stuff...
"miraculous return"....
ANY one I play with, if they get a racket on the ball, can return the hardest slice served overheads easily. Trick is to hit a clean winner, period.
Elbow or hand, forearm or fingers, it tilts you back into the archer's bow, allowing you to sight upwards while stanced sideways, and you LOOKING upwards at the downfalling ball.
 
Nothing beats having someone just hit you overheads but if you have a machine or can get your hands on one, most can be jury-rigged (sp) with couple of scrap 2 x 4's to prop it up - get to a certain point with most that the ball won't feed so you can only go so far.
 
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