Overlooked all-surface record of Rafa

Nadal is confirmed GOAT cuz he won the fabled Queens-Wimbledon English sweep. What a guy. Give him a statue in the middle of the world taller than Mt. Everest.
 
duaneeo said:
Big wow they scored a few upsets over Federer. They're still weak rivals of Nadal who no one expected would upset 2013 Rafa at a slam or Masters.

You have no argument, but of course you're going to argue and get the last word. I'll end by saying Roddick was 20 and ranked #7 when he began what would be the 2003 summer Triple Crown...taking out Federer, Nalbandian, and Ferrero in the process. That's more impressive than 2013 Nadal beating his pigeons and a struggling Djokovic.
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You're the one arguing... I made a factual statement and the truth riled up your little panties once again...

Struggling Djokovic hahahahahahhaa

Won AO, beat Nadal in MC, pushed him to the limit at RG, Wimbledon final, Montreal final and US Open final, ranked #1, over 20 top 10 wins and he was struggling :-D :-D :-D

You're so desperate, you had to throw in his 2014 form... totally irrelevant like majority of your "points"

These guys were pigeons? Ok Roddick and Hewitt were Fed's pigeons at the majors... so he literally has no impressive slam wins according to your own ridiculous logic... well done Deerrrrwaayyynnee....
 
Mainad said:
They have always been the 2 most important tournaments on grass so a perfectly legitimate record for that surface. Only 7 players in the Open Era have ever completed the Queen's-Wimbledon double.
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And neither Federer nor Borg are one of them somehow...way to give more credit to the freaking ATP500 event, than it deserves! LOL
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
And neither Federer nor Borg are one of them somehow...way to give more credit to the freaking ATP500 event, than it deserves! LOL
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As I said, Borg never played Queen's or any other Wimbledon tune-ups. Federer played Queen's once at the very start of his career but was refused a wildcard entry the following year and thereafter played Halle with which he eventually signed a lifetime contract. All other multiple Wimbledon champions played Queen's and won the title except, so far, Djokovic.
 
Mainad said:
As I said, Borg never played Queen's or any other Wimbledon tune-ups. Federer played Queen's once at the very start of his career but was refused a wildcard entry the following year and thereafter played Halle with which he eventually signed a lifetime contract. All other multiple Wimbledon champions played Queen's and won the title except, so far, Djokovic.
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Yeah i keep forgetting, that Novak isn't the kind of player to typically skip Wimbledon prep/warm up mickey mouse tournaments throughout 80% of his entire career, so he has almost as many shots at the title per each time he decides to participates as olympic tournament...oh wait...
...Now i wonder how many Queen's titles he would have by now if he played them all as regularly as Federer played Halle...probably at very least as many as Murray has...maybe even more...but off course since he is Djokovic he should automatically be punished every time he decides to skip the tournament, that doesn't even matter for one's legacy...
 
Djokodalerer31 said:
Yeah i keep forgetting, that Novak isn't the kind of player to typically skip Wimbledon prep/warm up mickey mouse tournaments throughout 80% of his entire career, so he has almost as many shots at the title per each time he decides to participates as olympic tournament...oh wait...
...Now i wonder how many Queen's titles he would have by now if he played them all as regularly as Federer played Halle...probably at very least as many as Murray has...maybe even more...but off course since he is Djokovic he should automatically be punished every time he decides to skip the tournament, that doesn't even matter for one's legacy...
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Djokovic also played the title match at Halle in 2009 (a year after he lost at Queen's to Nadal) but lost to Haas. To date, the only pre-Wimbledon grass event he has played and won is 2017 Eastbourne.
 
Mainad said:
Djokovic also played the title match at Halle in 2009 (a year after he lost at Queen's to Nadal) but lost to Haas. To date, the only pre-Wimbledon grass event he has played and won is 2017 Eastbourne.
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Post 2011 Djokovic would play neither Queens nor Eastbourne if he had normal for his standards RG17/18 campaigns.
He was asked and said he doesn't need grass preparation tournament as he feels pretty comfortable on the surface as soon as he steps on it.
Clearly grass season w/o grass Masters for Djokovic is only about Wimbledon .
 
I think his 2013 sweep is the most impressive honestly being that it's not his best surface. That one is pretty difficult and no joke to complete. The Melbourne/AO is not that impressive because he didn't play any top players at Melbourne. Of course the clay sweep is absurd but if anybody can do it, the king of clay can.
 
LaVie en Rose said:
Post 2011 Djokovic would play neither Queens nor Eastbourne if he had normal for his standards RG17/18 campaigns.
He was asked and said he doesn't need grass preparation tournament as he feels pretty comfortable on the surface as soon as he steps on it.
Clearly grass season w/o grass Masters for Djokovic is only about Wimbledon .
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No doubt he doesn't need the preparation but there is kudos in winning the 2 biggest grass events back to back. Until recently they were only a week apart now extended to 2.
 
Mainad said:
They have always been the 2 most important tournaments on grass so a perfectly legitimate record for that surface. Only 7 players in the Open Era have ever completed the Queen's-Wimbledon double.
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I don't know. I think it's more impressive to come into Wimbledon cold on the grass and win the title. That's pretty badass. That's an underrated skill in my opinion. Djokovic did it 6 times and Borg did it 5 times. The Williams sisters had to have done it 5 and 6 times or something like that.

To put it into more context, Sampras skipped Queens once in '96 and lost to Krajicek in the QF. He never won Wimbledon without a warmup. Federer did it twice. Borg, Federer and Djokovic did the Channel Slam with no warmup. Borg did it multiple times.
 
Mainad said:
No doubt he doesn't need the preparation but there is kudos in winning the 2 biggest grass events back to back. Until recently they were only a week apart now extended to 2.
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He came within one point of achieving it in 2018. I remember being pretty gutted after that Queens defeat - little did I know what was to come a few weeks later. :)
 
Djokovic2011 said:
He came within one point of achieving it in 2018. I remember being pretty gutted after that Queens defeat - little did I know what was to come a few weeks later. :)
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He was close but Cilic goated. It wasn't even a choke or anything like that. Just got outplayed on that day.
 
NoleFam said:
I don't know. I think it's more impressive to come into Wimbledon cold on the grass and win the title. That's pretty badass. That's an underrated skill in my opinion. Djokovic did it 6 times and Borg did it 5 times. The Williams sisters had to have done it 5 and 6 times or something like that.

To put it into more context, Sampras skipped Queens once in '96 and lost to Krajicek in the QF. He never won Wimbledon without a warmup. Federer did it twice. Borg, Federer and Djokovic did the Channel Slam with no warmup. Borg did it multiple times.
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Queen's and Wimbledon are the 2 biggest tennis events in the summer in the UK and winning both back to back carries great kudos at least here in the UK. Borg never played Queen's for some reason, he was the 1 exception in never playing grass tune-ups. Federer completed the Halle-Wimbledon double on 5 occasions (2003-6, 2017), the only player to do so. Every other multiple Wimbledon champion has done the double save Laver who did at least win a Queen's title (1970). Amongst players who have competed at either or both of these pre-Wimbledon events Djokovic is the only multiple Wimbledon champion never to win either.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
He came within one point of achieving it in 2018. I remember being pretty gutted after that Queens defeat - little did I know what was to come a few weeks later. :)
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It just seems odd to me that a player so successful at Wimbledon could never quite manage either of the 2 next biggest grass events (losing finals at Queen's in 2008,2018 and at Halle in 2009).

After all, he swept all the second tier events on hardcourt and clay!
 
Mainad said:
It just seems odd to me that a player so successful at Wimbledon could never quite manage either of the 2 next biggest grass events (losing finals at Queen's in 2008,2018 and at Halle in 2009).

After all, he swept all the second tier events on hardcourt and clay!
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The main reason is that he hasn't played a grass warmup most years, apart from that exhibition at Boodles.
 
Mustard said:
He was still sulking about Marco Cecchinato :D
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Yes.It was his only 3th match losing from MP. I think it only additionally motivated him for Wimbledon
HE wasn't sulking about anything at Wimbledon
Mainad said:
It just seems odd to me that a player so successful at Wimbledon could never quite manage either of the 2 next biggest grass events (losing finals at Queen's in 2008,2018 and at Halle in 2009).

After all, he swept all the second tier events on hardcourt and clay!
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He didn't , e.g. Barcelona
Let it go. Kudos to Murray who did it .
And Nadal for NA USO serie 2013, impressive really!
 
Mainad said:
Queen's and Wimbledon are the 2 biggest tennis events in the summer in the UK and winning both back to back carries great kudos at least here in the UK. Borg never played Queen's for some reason, he was the 1 exception in never playing grass tune-ups. Federer completed the Halle-Wimbledon double on 5 occasions (2003-6, 2017), the only player to do so. Every other multiple Wimbledon champion has done the double save Laver who did at least win a Queen's title (1970). Amongst players who have competed at either or both of these pre-Wimbledon events Djokovic is the only multiple Wimbledon champion never to win either.
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Borg played grass warmups before '73 and '74 Wimbledons. He didn't play them after that. He played a few other smaller grass warmups throughout the year and won 2 other titles on grass outside of Wimbledon. Djokovic played Queens 4 times and Halle once (made 3/5 finals) played Eastbourne once (won the title) and another small grass tournament very early in his career. So he basically played them 7 times in an 18 year career, so he really didn't play them.

Queens/Halle are used to get comfortable on the surface and get in top shape for Wimbledon. Some players need those tournaments more than others. It's simply not necessary to play them if you don't need them and Borg and Djokovic didn't. Wimbledon is the real prize, not Queens and Halle.
 
I didn't know such a record exists. Big3 fanboys
create new record every single day to make their hero look even better than he already is to the point i would need to write everything down to remember it all.
 
LaVie en Rose said:
He was asked and said he doesn't need grass preparation tournament as he feels pretty comfortable on the surface as soon as he steps on it.
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Grass preparation wasn't needed for Nole because there have been so few viable grass opponents during his reign.
 
LaVie en Rose said:
It was not me who brought Djokovic.
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It was in fact your own fellow Djoko fans who brought him up...and also you are clearly implying Nadal fans are desperate because he's now behind Djokovic so stop feigning innocence.

I repeat, what I don't understand is, people are here just trying to celebrate a unique achievement without ever even implying Nadal is more relevant than Djokovic, yet some of you guys have to project and strawman and pretend there's an agenda when there's none.
 
Clay lover said:
It was in fact your own fellow Djoko fans who brought him up...and also you are clearly implying Nadal fans are desperate because he's now behind Djokovic so stop feigning innocence.

I repeat, what I don't understand is, people are here just trying to celebrate a unique achievement without ever even implying Nadal is more relevant than Djokovic, yet some of you guys have to project and strawman and pretend there's an agenda when there's none.
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I don't know who brought him I didn't . And yes Nadal fans at the moment are desperate
 
LaVie en Rose said:
Thank you for advice .I can handle situation despite being targeted from Fedal fans since I’ve joined here,never opened inflammatory thread ,undermining competition ,rivals etc
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Right and I’m quick to call that out/share your annoyance/etc etc.

But none of that was present here. In fact the first disparaging comment in the thread was from a Djokovic fan. Nobody has made any unprompted negative comment about Djokovic here (other than maybe T_O, who is just completely far gone lol). This is just your baggage about past threads. It’s Djokovic and Federer fans doing the bulk of the provoking ITT.
 
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TheFifthSet said:
Right and I’m quick to call that out/share your annoyance/etc etc.

But none of that was present here. In fact the first disparaging comment in the thread was from a Djokovic fan. Nobody has made any unprompted negative comment about Djokovic here. This is just your baggage about threads past.
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Ok, just pass by my posts. I don't really need your advice.
Let's not derailing thread anymore. Let Murray &Nadal fans celebrate their achievemnts
 
Mustard said:
The main reason is that he hasn't played a grass warmup most years, apart from that exhibition at Boodles.
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No, but when he has, he hasn't been successful. Three losing title matches (2 at Queen's, 1 at Halle) is notable.
 
LaVie en Rose said:
He didn't , e.g. Barcelona
Let it go. Kudos to Murray who did it .
And Nadal for NA USO serie 2013, impressive really!
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Barcelona isn't a second tier clay event (and I'm not sure he has ever played it for that matter). Those are the clay Masters.
 
Mainad said:
No, but when he has, he hasn't been successful. Three losing title matches (2 at Queen's, 1 at Halle) is notable.
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Would Federer be as succesful as he is if he played Halle as "many" times as Novak played any of lead up to the Wimbledon events? It's unfair to Djokovic to put him into the same category of losers and chokers, considering he had only like 5 times or somethnig out of almost 20 years long career to prove himself!...If he played as often as Federer played in Halle i would guarantee you he would have won at least 5 or 6 titles at this point!...
 
NoleFam said:
Borg played grass warmups before '73 and '74 Wimbledons. He didn't play them after that. He played a few other smaller grass warmups throughout the year and won 2 other titles on grass outside of Wimbledon. Djokovic played Queens 4 times and Halle once (made 3/5 finals) played Eastbourne once (won the title) and another small grass tournament very early in his career. So he basically played them 7 times in an 18 year career, so he really didn't play them.

Queens/Halle are used to get comfortable on the surface and get in top shape for Wimbledon. Some players need those tournaments more than others. It's simply not necessary to play them if you don't need them and Borg and Djokovic didn't. Wimbledon is the real prize, not Queens and Halle.
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As I said, it's not a question of whether you need to play them or not. They are prestigious grass events in their own right, second only to Wimbledon itself. Djokovic has been happy to play all of the chief hardcourt and clay run ups to the hardcourt Slams and RG so why not 1 or the other of the chief grasscourt run-ups?
 
How is the AO - Sunshine double being used in the same context here? LOL

The tournaments arent even close together. Theres over a month between the AO ending, and IW starting.

Nadal won Queens - Wimbledon 08 with a week between tournaments.

Monto carlo - RG 2010 was again, 4 tournament wins with 1 week between each.

Toronto - Cinci 2010 were literally back to back tournaments, and the USO was a week after Cinci.


Some people go to weird lengths to try and make something sound better for their idol LOL

Im pretty sure the TS wasnt comparing anything Nadal has done to anything Fed or Djok ever done, yet all we see is 'adults' trying to throw in comparisons.

:rolleyes:
 
mike danny said:
And let's not forget that Federer did win the AO-IW-Miami triple on multiple occasions too.

If Rafa managed this triple too, it would just be absolute bonkers.
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How does this qualify as a 'triple' ?

The AO ends in january.

IW begins in March.

Hardly the same thing that TS is meaning.
 
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