Overrated Rune

NeutralFan

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G.O.A.T.
He's crafty player with a great BH, great defense but he has an average FH.his fans are setting themselves for disappointment. Those who thinks he will achieve anything close to Alcaraz are disappointed. When Medvedev can frustrate you on Clay then lol.
 
Alcaraz is a one slam wonder so far and has lapses too. In fact, he can really be out of rhythm for an entire set against with wildly sprayed forehands.

Rune seems to run out of gas and stops playing smart in crucial moments. He should have easily broken Med 2-3x in the first set. Med was very fortunate on crucial points.
Djokovic used to run out of gas early in his career too.
But yea, Rune should have never lost to Rublev in MC.
 
thrust said:
Rune is 20 years old, what had Med accomplished at that age? I do think Holger has a bit of a stamina problem, though as he seemed to tire towards the end of yesterday's match.
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This is now the era of the pipe. Rune needs advice on health from Simona Halep.
 
NeutralFan said:
He's crafty player with a great BH, great defense but he has an average FH.his fans are setting themselves for disappointment. Those who thinks he will achieve anything close to Alcaraz are disappointed. When Medvedev can frustrate you on Clay then lol.
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Hes not over rated. isnt that great in the first place. Beating old man djoko- djoko is well past it outside on GS play.
 
Wander said:
Indeed. Medvedev has won a slam and six Masters 1000 tournaments. Alcaraz's vanquisher Marozsan has won no ATP titles of any kind.
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Let's pretend top players don't have upset, tell me how many Rune has won compared to Alcaraz?zero slam, one masters and how much Alcaraz has won? Much more than that and he's younger than Rune. Son, Rune has won nothing to warrant a comparison with Carlos. Now stop trolling
 
thrust said:
Now begin the hate wars between the Rune and Alcatraz fans- LOL! Both are only 20 and will either improve or not. ONLY TIME WILL TELL!
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I like both players! My only point here was to point out the absurdity of OP's arguments.

He's frankly scoring so many own goals that it is almost hard to believe!
 
Wander said:
I like both players! My only point here was to point out the absurdity of OP's arguments.

He's frankly scoring so many own goals that it is almost hard to believe!
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Nothing absurd to suggest he's not as good as Carlos , Carlos has achieved way more than Rune and yes, Rune doesn't have a great FH to dominate, it is what it is.
 
NeutralFan said:
Nothing absurd to suggest he's not as good as Carlos , Carlos has achieved way more than Rune and yes, Rune doesn't have a great FH to dominate, it is what it is.
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I disagree with the OP. I think he has a great FH when he's playing the offensive game. I also feel that it's quite reasonable to suggest that he is indeed a generational talent. But this slander against Alcaraz is frankly laughable. It's not even worth debating at this point in time.
 
Rune is becoming this gens Djokovic. Let's see if he can match Djokovic's skills and consistency. RG results minimum SF required.
 
Rune lost MC and Rome due to nerves. He was quite competitive to both so it wasn’t as if he was thoroughly outplayed, not at all. With him I think there is a ton of upside because his strengths are very dependable strengths (great backhand, great athleticism and defense, and huge motivation to win). If he were to improve his forehand or serve each by 10%, this guy will be right there in contention for the biggest titles on a regular basis. At his age it’s quite possible he makes these improvements.
 
Rune fh is below average. It is difficult for him to dictate points with it or put away short balls. He can do it but often he will have to finish at net with overhead or volley.
 
He's a talented, versatile young player. However, his athleticism/fitness are highly suspect.

He used to get cramps often, and even last Sunday his legs were gone after 5-3 in the second set.

He needs to go through an old school Darren Cahill bootcamp, like Verdasco did before the 2009 season.
 
Rune is over rated, op arrowed....... This place :
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a10best said:
Alcaraz is a one slam wonder so far and has lapses too. In fact, he can really be out of rhythm for an entire set against with wildly sprayed forehands.

Rune seems to run out of gas and stops playing smart in crucial moments. He should have easily broken Med 2-3x in the first set. Med was very fortunate on crucial points.
Djokovic used to run out of gas early in his career too.
But yea, Rune should have never lost to Rublev in MC.
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Alcaraz is one slam wonder; Rune is overrated. So who's going to win 4 slams a year, once Nadal and Djokovic exit for good?
 
SonnyT said:
Alcaraz is one slam wonder; Rune is overrated. So who's going to win 4 slams a year, once Nadal and Djokovic exit for good?
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You realize SOMEONE has to win slams after Nads and Joker retire, right?

According to you Carlos is one and done, Rune won't do squat...so who's winning all the slams?
 
He has been in the last 3 out of 4 finals. Thats not too bad.
Rune is the most technical sound player with a crazy top level. When he plays his best I dont see anybody at his level.

His weakness is his low level. Its all in the head.
 
Impetus said:
He has been in the last 3 out of 4 finals. Thats not too bad.
Rune is the most technical sound player with a crazy top level. When he plays his best I dont see anybody at his level.

His weakness is his low level. Its all in the head.
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Alcaraz has a higher peak level imo, but either way, it's debatable and fairly close. It's indeed the floor levels that separate these prodigies.
 
FeroBango said:
Alcaraz has a higher peak level imo, but either way, it's debatable and fairly close. It's indeed the floor levels that separate these prodigies.
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I love Alcarez’ game. He play’s the kind of all-court future players will be forced to play if they want to win. Both Rune and Alcarez can play through the defence of everybody on the tour.

I see Alcarez as a bit more aggressive than Rune. But I love the way Rune interacts with the crowd and that he shows his emotions.

As for who has the highest top level we will have to want and see. My prediction is Rune has the edge but Alcarez has more mental stability.
 
SonnyT said:
Alcaraz is one slam wonder; Rune is overrated. So who's going to win 4 slams a year, once Nadal and Djokovic exit for good?
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Medvedev. Even Khachanov can hang with the young kids and get hot. Maybe even Rublev.
Alcaraz has shown some serious lapses & wild groundies that make you say, "WTF was that?"
Don't forget he's prone to injury.
If Ruud can get to two finals and if he won that 3rd set tb at USO, Carlos may have just been a slam finalist.
You know these two guys above can win it all. Karen has made at least 2 slam semis. Medvedev has been in 3 slam finals and won 1.
 
a10best said:
Alcaraz has shown some serious lapses & wild groundies that make you say, "WTF was that?"
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Yet he has the same number of slams as Medvedev/Khachanov/Rublev/Ruud combined, and they've have a 5-7 year head start. Surely those players have had their own "WTF was that?" moments...too many of them.
 
duaneeo said:
Yet he has the same number of slams as Medvedev/Khachanov/Rublev/Ruud combined, and they've have a 5-7 year head start. Surely those players have had their own "WTF was that?" moments...too many of them.
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Well said. Yet during those 5-7 years peak Djokovic is losing to nobody. Peak or 90% healthy Nadal is also not losing at RG. either. They were a lock.

These guys (Med/Khachanov/Ruud) combined reaching multiple slam finals and semis against GOATS speaks louder than Carlos taking (3) 5 setters to get past old man Cilic, newbie Sinner, hot streak Tiafoe and smh Ruud.
He played (1) top ten player who is really not top 10; Ruud.

Now imagine if Carlos had to get past these three players at age 19 (from 2016 to 2020) to win a slam: Ferrer, Wawrinka, Djokovic in succession or Anderson, Federer, Nadal.
Let's throw in Murray, Isner, Raonic, younger Cilic, and Tsonga too. Playing these guys in succession B05 to win the final is waaaayyy too much to handle for a 19 or 20 yr old Carlos.

This actually comes back to Rune's conditioning where I can't see him winning (3) straight 5 setters (so far).
 
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a10best said:
Well said. Yet during those 5-7 years peak Djokovic is losing to nobody. Peak or 90% healthy Nadal is also not losing at RG. either. They were a lock.

These guys (Med/Khachanov/Ruud) combined reaching multiple slam finals and semis against GOATS speaks louder than Carlos taking (3) 5 setters to get past old man Cilic, newbie Sinner, hot streak Tiafoe and smh Ruud.
He played (1) top ten player who is really not top 10; Ruud.
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Well, we agree to disagree if you think 2017-2023 are peak Djokovic or Nadal.

But still, let's look at Medvedev...the top dog of the group. Of his 23 slam appearances, he's only faced Nadal/Djokovic a combined total of 5 times. And, his two meetings with Nadal weren't at Roland Garros, but the US Open and Australian Open. So, Medvedev having the misfortune of facing peak Nadal/Djokovic isn't the true narrative.
 
duaneeo said:
Well, we agree to disagree if you think 2017-2023 are peak Djokovic or Nadal.

But still, let's look at Medvedev...the top dog of the group. Of his 23 slam appearances, he's only faced Nadal/Djokovic a combined total of 5 times. And, his two meetings with Nadal weren't at Roland Garros, but the US Open and Australian Open. So, Medvedev having the misfortune of facing peak Nadal/Djokovic isn't the true narrative.
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I was using the years 14-20. Once Fed retired. The last 3 years is different from Covid and the greats aging.

I guess we do disagree.
It's obvious Carlos has exceptional skills for his age but everyone hyped up Chung as the asian-Djokovic.
Now fans predict Carlos is the next Nadal. Let's see him win 4 slams and 10+ masters first then it's fair to start speculating.
The good thing is he'll be forever measured against Sinner and Rune.
 
I kind of just look at him like the Berdych/Ferrer of the crew. A nice string-along guy but probably won't have some insane amount of titles or anything but he'll cause some sleepless nights for the top guys. Stealing big matches here and there
 
a10best said:
Alcaraz is a one slam wonder so far and has lapses too. In fact, he can really be out of rhythm for an entire set against with wildly sprayed forehands.

Rune seems to run out of gas and stops playing smart in crucial moments. He should have easily broken Med 2-3x in the first set. Med was very fortunate on crucial points.
Djokovic used to run out of gas early in his career too.
But yea, Rune should have never lost to Rublev in MC.
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2 slams wonder in any case, and a few masters and more tournaments... At 20, didnt lose a grass match last year... Etc etc, my gut tells me he is not another chang you know

Edit: oh i didnt see the date of that post xD, well i think you were right, now probably not anymore
 
Im quite disappointed by Rune. Was hoping he could be on Alcaraz/Sinner‘s level but he is very far from that.

might be surface related too. He has his most success on clay and indoor hard. Not sure why he struggles much more outdoor hard. It’s a bit of a strange surface strength distribution to be honest.
 
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