Overrated Rune

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ActualTennisPlayer

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NeutralFan said:
Z has a higher level than Stef when he's on and it's not even close.
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I agree but unfortunately Zverev is rarely on and therefore has a negative h2h vs tsitsipas. Especially at best of 5 Zverev is not often on.

But agree when he is on it’s great. His match vs Nadal at RG and some matches vs Djokovic were spectacular.
 
Rafa4LifeEver

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NeutralFan said:
He's crafty player with a great BH, great defense but he has an average FH.his fans are setting themselves for disappointment. Those who thinks he will achieve anything close to Alcaraz are disappointed. When Medvedev can frustrate you on Clay then lol.
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Ok bro
 
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sherpa

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I think he has a lot of potential, but his shot choice and tactics leave a lot to be desired. He tried to volley many times today off some really poor approach shots and got hammered heaps of times. I personally think Alcaraz has forced a lot of players into thinking there are other ways to win points other than belting it from the baseline and Rune would be one of them however his application is questionable. Rune got caught half-volleying ,many powerful groundstrokes by trying to hug the baseline and not respecting his opponents pace and depth.
 
a10best

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TheSlicer said:
2 slams wonder in any case, and a few masters and more tournaments... At 20, didnt lose a grass match last year... Etc etc, my gut tells me he is not another chang you know

Edit: oh i didnt see the date of that post xD, well i think you were right, now probably not anymore
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Carlos grass match win streak was Radacanu-esque. That simply won't happen again for the "entire" grass season.
2 slam victories; Ruud (fraud #2) and needed Djokovic to miss 2 routine bh's in a slam tiebreak or was down 2 sets to zero.
Will these situations ever occur again? Unlikely, right? Or Maybe Carlos just beats both in straight sets because he didn't have a wild stretch of spraying balls out or never hit a
flashy shot at the wrong time.
He should have never lost that Cincy match to Djokovic but because he lets players back in (Hurcaz & Paul in the summer) from a lack of killer instinct. That's why Zev and Med play him very well.
I think Sinner has improved more over the last year than Alcaraz. Which one will make the AO final will be interesting.
 
TheSlicer

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a10best said:
Carlos grass match win streak was Radacanu-esque. That simply won't happen again for the "entire" grass season.
2 slam victories; Ruud (fraud #2) and needed Djokovic to miss 2 routine bh's in a slam tiebreak or was down 2 sets to zero.
Will these situations ever occur again? Unlikely, right? Or Maybe Carlos just beats both in straight sets because he didn't have a wild stretch of spraying balls out or never hit a
flashy shot at the wrong time.
He should have never lost that Cincy match to Djokovic but because he lets players back in (Hurcaz & Paul in the summer) from a lack of killer instinct. That's why Zev and Med play him very well.
I think Sinner has improved more over the last year than Alcaraz. Which one will make the AO final will be interesting.
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Raducanuesque? Oh my, not at all, he just played better than anyone, including Djokovic, med and zev have Lost most of theier recent matches, med played great that uso open but thats It, about sinner, yeah he has progressed more because his game lacked a lot more to begin with, also lets not forget he is 2 years older, you can count with one hand the players in history that were as acomplished or more than Alcaraz at his age, personally i cant ask him for a lot more besides to keep improving. And yeah sinner recent form looks scary, but It was about time, now he has to get the results, win his first masters, his first slam, and like that he Will still have a quarter of the trophies Alcaraz has being 2 years younger, not a lack of killer instinct, more like a lack of experience, which he is improving
 
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TheSlicer said:
Raducanuesque? Oh my, not at all, he just played better than anyone, including Djokovic, med and zev have Lost most of theier recent matches, med played great that uso open but thats It, about sinner, yeah he has progressed more because his game lacked a lot more to begin with, also lets not forget he is 2 years older, you can count with one hand the players in history that were as acomplished or more than Alcaraz at his age, personally i cant ask him for a lot more besides to keep improving.
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I didn't like the way he won that 2nd set at Wimby and being among the early age slam winners isn't really a guarantee of making double-digit slam finals.
Yes Carlos' game is well accomplished for his age. I like it. But being accomplished so young can also mean his upside is limited.
Yes, you can ask for more. He needs to cut down on bonehead decisions and get out of these long matches which he did at the USO 23' yet still lost convincingly to Med.
He needs to break serve more because he's not playing against Kyrios, Isner or Karlovic. A tight match with Hurkacz or Sinner is understandable but not the others.
More 6-2 or 6-3 sets instead of 7-6, 7-5 or 6-4.
 
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TheSlicer

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a10best said:
I didn't like the way he won that 2nd set at Wimby and being among the early age slam winners isn't really a guarantee of making double-digit slam finals.
Yes Carlos' game is well accomplished for his age. I like it. But being accomplished so young can also mean his upside is limited.
Yes, you can ask for more. He needs to cut down on bonehead decisions and get out of these long matches which he did at the USO 23' yet still lost convincingly to Med.
He needs to break serve more because he's not playing against Kyrios, Isner or Karlovic. A tight match with Hurkacz or Sinner is understandable but not the others.
More 6-2 or 6-3 sets instead of 7-6, 7-5 or 6-4.
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so he should do everything perfect at 20? nobody has done that, you can always focus on the negatives, the way i see it, he has plenty of time to improve, nothing can guaranty you win double digit slams, thats nosense thinking, check out how djokovic played at his age, you just never know, by the way, you didnt like how he won that second set? well it was a perfect backhand return down the line off a good serve, did you like how he closed that match? that was quite ballsy and something very few people have been able to do against djokovic in a 5th set, and there were no bad backhands there, just pure ballsy attacking tennis, if you dont like that thats okey, you dont have to, but its always good to acknowledge things, comparing his performances with raducanu is just nonsense, he has backed up again and again his game, already a couple of slams and a few masters, of course he has to improve things, but given his performances at his age focusing on the bad is obviously nitpicking
 
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a10best

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TheSlicer said:
so he should do everything perfect at 20? nobody has done that, you can always focus on the negatives, the way i see it, he has plenty of time to improve, nothing can guaranty you win double digit slams, thats nosense thinking, check out how djokovic played at his age, you just never know, by the way, you didnt like how he won that second set? well it was a perfect backhand return down the line off a good serve, did you like how he closed that match? that was quite ballsy and something very few people have been able to do against djokovic in a 5th set, and there were no bad backhands there, just pure ballsy attacking tennis, if you dont like that thats okey, you dont have to, but its always good to acknowledge things, comparing his performances with raducanu is just nonsense, he has backed up again and again his game, already a couple of slams and a few masters, of course he has to improve things, but given his performances at his age focusing on the bad is obviously nitpicking
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his grass ct run was a surprise even to himself. yea, she cannot be mentioned anymore to anyone.
As a tennis fan and player you have to nitpick to improve or you decline or remain where you are. If Djoker didn't nitpick (improve) his game he'd remain under 10 slams for sure with a Murray career. He's a rare breed and most players don't have that inner drive or commitment. I don't recall the ballsy bh dtl. I do remember the incredible volley he dug out to win that last point. Yes, those 4th and 5th sets were great. I guess because he has some similar skills as early Fed I want to see years of dominating opponents in semi and finals. I'll give him another 2-3 yrs to mimic Fed's 04-09 run.
 
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dking68

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nolefam_2024 said:
No more excuses NO MORE

Yes a 20 year old has time to improve. But this guy goes on Netflix show and talks about letting alcaraz have 2 slam lead. Pipe down boy
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Lol he’s a joke. 20 year old Sinner had match point on 25 year old reining USO champ Medvedev. He was way better at 20
 
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@Kralingen what is Rune’s ceiling?

Peak ranking
Peak slam results
Peak titles

Personally I see

Peak ranking 3
Peak slam results - will make a RG final, but slamless
Peak titles - a Cilic type career - 20 titles
 
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Kralingen

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dking68 said:
@Kralingen what is Rune’s ceiling?

Peak ranking
Peak slam results
Peak titles

Personally I see

Peak ranking 3
Peak slam results - will make a RG final, but slamless
Peak titles - a Cilic type career - 20 titles
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So hard to predict. His highs are very impressive to he but his lows are quite low. There are a lot of different optionalities for how the Rune career may turn out.
 
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Red Rick said:
People putting this guy in the same tier as Alcaraz rolling on the floor laughing my ass off
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This guy only won a Munich 250 last year and has lost every final he’s played in since then

And it took a choking BVDZ to win the title. Or else he would not have won any titles in 2023
 
TheSlicer

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a10best said:
his grass ct run was a surprise even to himself. yea, she cannot be mentioned anymore to anyone.
As a tennis fan and player you have to nitpick to improve or you decline or remain where you are. If Djoker didn't nitpick (improve) his game he'd remain under 10 slams for sure with a Murray career. He's a rare breed and most players don't have that inner drive or commitment. I don't recall the ballsy bh dtl. I do remember the incredible volley he dug out to win that last point. Yes, those 4th and 5th sets were great. I guess because he has some similar skills as early Fed I want to see years of dominating opponents in semi and finals. I'll give him another 2-3 yrs to mimic Fed's 04-09 run.
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But if he dominantes is gonna be boring, i prefer that he wins a lot but that there are a few players that share the Big finals, of course he has to improve, but as a fan what he has done playing the way he has, IS already a gift to me, i was so bored of just consistent players that all they did was hitting hard from the baseline, he has brought a lot of variety and now everyone IS trying to be more varied, what i like the most about Carlos IS his net game, at such young age, thats very rare, i know a lot of people dont like him because of the hype he has created, but i dont care about that, im not the one predicting the future, too many factors involved, but about talent, i havnt seen something like that since fereder, how many titles he will win only god knows, but he definetly has the best mental game in the game only behind djokovic
 
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TheSlicer said:
so he should do everything perfect at 20? nobody has done that, you can always focus on the negatives, the way i see it, he has plenty of time to improve, nothing can guaranty you win double digit slams, thats nosense thinking, check out how djokovic played at his age, you just never know, by the way, you didnt like how he won that second set? well it was a perfect backhand return down the line off a good serve, did you like how he closed that match? that was quite ballsy and something very few people have been able to do against djokovic in a 5th set, and there were no bad backhands there, just pure ballsy attacking tennis, if you dont like that thats okey, you dont have to, but its always good to acknowledge things, comparing his performances with raducanu is just nonsense, he has backed up again and again his game, already a couple of slams and a few masters, of course he has to improve things, but given his performances at his age focusing on the bad is obviously nitpicking
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I don't think Djokovic at Carlos's current age was necessarily worse than him. We'll find out in a little over a week, but Djokovic didn't have 2 slams at that point because of peak Fed.
 
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NeutralFan said:
He's crafty player with a great BH, great defense but he has an average FH.his fans are setting themselves for disappointment. Those who thinks he will achieve anything close to Alcaraz are disappointed. When Medvedev can frustrate you on Clay then lol.
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He needs to change his name to Ruune.
 
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