Owners of Alpha Pioneer DC Plus

krnbrasha

Rookie
Have you had any issues? What is your review on this machine? I'm thinking about buying it just need some assurance!
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
I used to have this machine... The only known issue some folks have had is "tower creep" (do a search). Easily fixed with larger washers/leather pad.
 

AsianArnold1

New User
yesterday, i took the plunge and bought the APDC+ from NewTechTennis. i will immediately replace the washers with much bigger once from home depot. (for you cyclists out there, i sold my 2004 campy eurus wheelset to buy this).
this will replace my gamma x2 that i've had for 2yrs. sometime in the way future, i will upgrade to a Wise 2086. i'd have to sell the rest of my carbon bike to get it, haha!
can't wait!
 

Muppet

Legend
Two things. The tower creep, which didn't stay 100% fixed with the washer replacement. And after about 500 racquets the clutch spring in the tension head cylinder will have to be replaced. The machine comes with a spare spring for the first time. The second time it was easy to order from New Tech Tennis website for $10 + shipping. But replacing it is kind of a pain. If you're organized and don't mind a little grease it's not too bad.

The machine is built like a tank. But this makes it not very portable. Heavy-duty was what I was looking for. It being a drop weight, it's a lot slower than other machines. But it operates very well and allows me to get into a nice rhythm. I think the fixed clamps are the most important feature.
 

namja

New User
I purchased it for personal use. I've done about a dozen stringing jobs in the past six months. Still takes me about an hour to do a racquet, but I don't really mind. I do it while "watching" TV.

Never had tower creep issues. My towers are on so tight that I cannot imagine it creeping. But the ones that come with the unit are puny, so maybe I will get larger washers. Just in case.
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
I purchased it for personal use. I've done about a dozen stringing jobs in the past six months. Still takes me about an hour to do a racquet, but I don't really mind. I do it while "watching" TV.

Never had tower creep issues. My towers are on so tight that I cannot imagine it creeping. But the ones that come with the unit are puny, so maybe I will get larger washers. Just in case.
For some reason the tower creep issue seems to be random. I never had it when I had my Pioneer DC Plus but upgraded the washers anyway.

I've only been stringing a few years but I am of the opinion that it's best to string as quickly as possible while maintaining quality and consistency. Stringing slow... particularly on a dropweight opens up the possibility of greater variability on each pull.
 

MathieuR

Professional
Stringing slow... particularly on a dropweight opens up the possibility of greater variability on each pull.
I disagree, but we had this dispute before ;)
I favor to "pull tension" till the "fast stretch" of the string is completed.
 

AsianArnold1

New User
yesterday, i took the plunge and bought the APDC+ from NewTechTennis. i will immediately replace the washers with much bigger once from home depot. (for you cyclists out there, i sold my 2004 campy eurus wheelset to buy this).
this will replace my gamma x2 that i've had for 2yrs. sometime in the way future, i will upgrade to a Wise 2086. i'd have to sell the rest of my carbon bike to get it, haha!
can't wait!
wow! hugh difference in build quality and function vs the x2. i did replace those puny washers with 1" wide ones. i strung 2 rackets already, but took me slightly longer(50min) than my usual 35-40min on the x2. but the stringbed is definitely more consistent w/ fixed clamps vs floating. i disengaged the ratchet lever since the polys do not stretch much.
Now, i just need to speed up my times with better technique. i'm looking to go sub-30's.

happy stringer right here!
 

Nick B.

New User
I love mine - it is great. Had one of the brackets that hold the racquet get a loose peg, which wasn't good, but I emailed them and they simple sent me out a replacement part for no charge. Great customer service!
 

tim-ay

Professional
Love my Alpha. And if tower creep or table wobble are an issue for you, NEVER work on your car, motorcycle, or .....home blinds. Or anything.

DC plus with a Wise and the new Alpha clamps is even better




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QuadCam

Professional
Mine has been great. I upgraded mine to the Revo 4000 stand and then added a Wise 2086 Tension Head.

I've since mounted everything to a rolling cart with drawers..... and love my customized Alpha. I've never had tower creep... and have never heard of it before this thread, actually. The wise is a great upgrade, too. Seriously consider it!
 

tim-ay

Professional
tell me more about those new alpha clamps, please.
The new clamps are thinner than the originals, hybrid clamps, just look much nicer too. I like them better, but I am a visual guy :).

Go to the new tech website and check them out. Price is very good, in my view


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tim-ay

Professional
A few pictures on the original clamps vs the new ones , if that helps. I've had my machine for 4.5 years, didn't need the new ones but I upgraded when I added the wise.



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ElMagoElGato

Semi-Pro
A few pictures on the original clamps vs the new ones , if that helps. I've had my machine for 4.5 years, didn't need the new ones but I upgraded when I added the wise.



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How do you compare these? The old one should have good quality, too, but the new seems very good. I'd like to know more about usability.
 

tim-ay

Professional
How do you compare these? The old one should have good quality, too, but the new seems very good. I'd like to know more about usability.
Sure both are good. The new ones are just smoother, smaller, and easier to use. Does it impact the quality of the string job or speed? Meh- not much- but it's just a bit nicer.

For me, a pair for 138 bucks was 100% worth it. It's not needed, so it's a personal choice.


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ElMagoElGato

Semi-Pro
Sure both are good. The new ones are just smoother, smaller, and easier to use. Does it impact the quality of the string job or speed? Meh- not much- but it's just a bit nicer.

For me, a pair for 138 bucks was 100% worth it. It's not needed, so it's a personal choice.


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Thanks, man. A bit nicer, yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for. I've got my mind set on this.
 

Muppet

Legend
On the old clamps the block at the top of the lever handle often gets in the way of the string when installing the crosses. And the tightening wheel does the same, but not as badly. On the new clamps, it looks like they've rounded that block on one side and recessed the wheel on the other side so the string can lie straight w/o having to fuss with it. Nice update.
 

tim-ay

Professional
On the old clamps the block at the top of the lever handle often gets in the way of the string when installing the crosses. And the tightening wheel does the same, but not as badly. On the new clamps, it looks like they've rounded that block on one side and recessed the wheel on the other side so the string can lie straight w/o having to fuss with it. Nice update.
Exactly right. Less fuss! I really like them the more I use them.


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am1899

Hall of Fame
Those of you who have fixed your tower creep...is there any consensus on the most effective method? I've heard of putting some washers in there...but it doesn't seem like that's solved the issue for everyone.

I was thinking of trying to find some Allen head screws and matching washers - surely an Allen head screw could be tightened significantly more than the plastic turn handle screws which are provided with the machine?
 

tim-ay

Professional
Those of you who have fixed your tower creep...is there any consensus on the most effective method? I've heard of putting some washers in there...but it doesn't seem like that's solved the issue for everyone.

I was thinking of trying to find some Allen head screws and matching washers - surely an Allen head screw could be tightened significantly more than the plastic turn handle screws which are provided with the machine?
Larger washers worked with mine. I thought about using a lock washer to add spring load but didn't, or maybe a butterfly nut. Your idea could be perfect for a difficult machine. If the washers work, it's a really cheap and easy fix though.


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am1899

Hall of Fame
I ended up going to Lowes and getting some M8x1.25x25 SS cap screws with Allen heads, along with M8x24 washers. Everything fits fine...good and snug. Haven't strung a frame yet. Will report back.

Edit: note that the sizes I used applied to an Alpha Axis Pro, which may not necessarily be the same size as other Alpha machines - YMMV.
 
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rchjr2091

Semi-Pro

I finally joined the stringing club. I bought a Worx brand work table from Lowes for it to sit on. It's a lot more to stringing than I had originally thought. It's a work in progress.
 

QuadCam

Professional
That's pretty awesome. How did you manage that?
The cart is from Sam's club. It's a Seville UltraHD cart. It's it for stringing. I keep told in the top drawer. String packets in the 2nd. Grips, overgrips, grommets, lead tape, etc in the 3rd. I think i have a couple reels in the 4th. I don't recall what's in the 5th. The bottom is perfect for storing a case or more if tennis balls, in cans. I also keep a racquet balance board in the bottom drawer. The cart is so great. Nice locking casters, too.

Mounting the alpha was pretty easy. I took some measurements. Also, i realized that I'd need to elevate the stringer a bit so that i could get 360* rotation and not interfere with the Wise head. I picked up all the various hardware at my local ace. They had everything. The Wise it's mounted using a bracket i fabbed up from 6061 aluminum. You could use the bracket that wise sells too. I think they call it the drop weight adapter. It's perfect for mounting the wise to a cart like i did. All the hardware to mount the stringer and the wise are bolted through the wood cart top. It's all very stable and secure.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
^^ Really cool setup there. I do wonder about the angle into the tension head. With the turntable being raised to allow 360, do you have any trouble getting the string into the gripper and having to stay put while you pull tension? Just wondering...
 

Wes

Professional
^^ Really cool setup there. I do wonder about the angle into the tension head. With the turntable being raised to allow 360, do you have any trouble getting the string into the gripper and having to stay put while you pull tension? Just wondering...
Since the diablo/diabolo is mounted on the Wise, the string angle entering the gripper (assuming the diablo/diabolo is used) is going to remain the same regardless of the height of the turntable/racquet.

However, if you don't use it - then it's a different story.

@am1899 is a pretty smart cookie. My money says that he simply didn't see the mounted diablo/diabolo in the photograph. ;)
 

QuadCam

Professional
I use the Diablo with gut and they are no issues. For poly, i don't wrap it around the Diablo. All works the same. I've yet to have any string slip out of the wise gripper.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I use the Diablo with gut and they are no issues. For poly, i don't wrap it around the Diablo. All works the same. I've yet to have any string slip out of the wise gripper.
Why would you not use the diablo all the time?
 

stahlee

New User
I just bought a Revo and and immediately had tower creep. I removed the towers to inspect them and there was a little bit of the cosmoline there, both on the bed and tower. I cleaned it thoroughly with 91% alcohol and the creep was gone.
 

GoofyMan

New User
Hi all,

Question about the brackets in the Alpha Pioneer DC Plus. Something I am doing wrong.

The racket doesn't rest properly on the main frame.

If someone has a link to a video (I searched youtube) on how to secure the racket on the device it will be highly appreciated.

Thanks!
 

GoofyMan

New User
GoofyMan, can you post of photo?
Hi Sthahlee,

The bracket is working now. I was just afraid of over tightening so I left it too lose.

I am now experimenting with starting. Didn't decide yet if to start with the swivel clamps or starting clamp. (two pieces stringing). i guess one can start both main and crosses with either flying or fixed clamp.

Thanks!
 

stahlee

New User
Hi Sthahlee,

The bracket is working now. I was just afraid of over tightening so I left it too lose.

I am now experimenting with starting. Didn't decide yet if to start with the swivel clamps or starting clamp. (two pieces stringing). i guess one can start both main and crosses with either flying or fixed clamp.

Thanks!
Starting clamp is your friend if you have one. I use it to start mains and crosses.
 
yesterday, i took the plunge and bought the APDC+ from NewTechTennis. i will immediately replace the washers with much bigger once from home depot. (for you cyclists out there, i sold my 2004 campy eurus wheelset to buy this).
this will replace my gamma x2 that i've had for 2yrs. sometime in the way future, i will upgrade to a Wise 2086. i'd have to sell the rest of my carbon bike to get it, haha!
can't wait!
Who needs Campy anyway....
 

2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
I had a tower creep issue as well, but moved the post to the very edge of the track and that took care of it. Will look into changing out the washer, though, as that would reduce the turn radius on the racket if the tower could be put back in the middle.

Still, overall happy with the product.
 
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jyas

New User
I'm thinking of adding the Wise tension head to my APDC. Is there any additional hardware that needs to be purchased or modifications to the stringing machine needed for the install?
 

marsh

Semi-Pro
I'm thinking of adding the Wise tension head to my APDC. Is there any additional hardware that needs to be purchased or modifications to the stringing machine needed for the install?
No extra hardware needed. You're going to love it.
 

Wes

Professional
No extra hardware needed. You're going to love it.
@marsh,
Since the APDC is a drop weight, wouldn't he also need the drop weight adapter bracket as well?
Unless something has changed, the Wise only includes the mounting bracket for LO/crank machines. Has this changed?

Just trying to prevent potential disappointment for @jyas.
Personally, I'd be awfully upset if I had to go back & place a 2nd order, JUST for the additional bracket, after someone had told me that no extra hardware was going to be necessary.
 
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