Owners of Alpha Pioneer DC Plus

Discussion in 'Stringing Techniques / Stringing Machines' started by krnbrasha, Jun 3, 2016.

  1. krnbrasha

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    Have you had any issues? What is your review on this machine? I'm thinking about buying it just need some assurance!
     
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  2. eelhc

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    I used to have this machine... The only known issue some folks have had is "tower creep" (do a search). Easily fixed with larger washers/leather pad.
     
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  3. illzoni

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    I'm at 175 string jobs and happy with mine!
     
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    ...I should add that when I've had questions (even stupid ones), they've been great to deal with.
     
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  5. marsh

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    I love mine and have actually upgraded it with a Wise Tension head.
     
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  6. AsianArnold1

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    yesterday, i took the plunge and bought the APDC+ from NewTechTennis. i will immediately replace the washers with much bigger once from home depot. (for you cyclists out there, i sold my 2004 campy eurus wheelset to buy this).
    this will replace my gamma x2 that i've had for 2yrs. sometime in the way future, i will upgrade to a Wise 2086. i'd have to sell the rest of my carbon bike to get it, haha!
    can't wait!
     
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  7. Muppet

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    Two things. The tower creep, which didn't stay 100% fixed with the washer replacement. And after about 500 racquets the clutch spring in the tension head cylinder will have to be replaced. The machine comes with a spare spring for the first time. The second time it was easy to order from New Tech Tennis website for $10 + shipping. But replacing it is kind of a pain. If you're organized and don't mind a little grease it's not too bad.

    The machine is built like a tank. But this makes it not very portable. Heavy-duty was what I was looking for. It being a drop weight, it's a lot slower than other machines. But it operates very well and allows me to get into a nice rhythm. I think the fixed clamps are the most important feature.
     
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  8. namja

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    I purchased it for personal use. I've done about a dozen stringing jobs in the past six months. Still takes me about an hour to do a racquet, but I don't really mind. I do it while "watching" TV.

    Never had tower creep issues. My towers are on so tight that I cannot imagine it creeping. But the ones that come with the unit are puny, so maybe I will get larger washers. Just in case.
     
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  9. eelhc

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    For some reason the tower creep issue seems to be random. I never had it when I had my Pioneer DC Plus but upgraded the washers anyway.

    I've only been stringing a few years but I am of the opinion that it's best to string as quickly as possible while maintaining quality and consistency. Stringing slow... particularly on a dropweight opens up the possibility of greater variability on each pull.
     
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  10. MathieuR

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    I disagree, but we had this dispute before ;)
    I favor to "pull tension" till the "fast stretch" of the string is completed.
     
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  11. AsianArnold1

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    wow! hugh difference in build quality and function vs the x2. i did replace those puny washers with 1" wide ones. i strung 2 rackets already, but took me slightly longer(50min) than my usual 35-40min on the x2. but the stringbed is definitely more consistent w/ fixed clamps vs floating. i disengaged the ratchet lever since the polys do not stretch much.
    Now, i just need to speed up my times with better technique. i'm looking to go sub-30's.

    happy stringer right here!
     
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  12. Nick B.

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    I love mine - it is great. Had one of the brackets that hold the racquet get a loose peg, which wasn't good, but I emailed them and they simple sent me out a replacement part for no charge. Great customer service!
     
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  13. tim-ay

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    Love my Alpha. And if tower creep or table wobble are an issue for you, NEVER work on your car, motorcycle, or .....home blinds. Or anything.

    DC plus with a Wise and the new Alpha clamps is even better

    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]


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  14. QuadCam

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    tell me more about those new alpha clamps, please.
     
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  15. QuadCam

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    Mine has been great. I upgraded mine to the Revo 4000 stand and then added a Wise 2086 Tension Head.

    I've since mounted everything to a rolling cart with drawers..... and love my customized Alpha. I've never had tower creep... and have never heard of it before this thread, actually. The wise is a great upgrade, too. Seriously consider it!
     
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  16. tim-ay

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    The new clamps are thinner than the originals, hybrid clamps, just look much nicer too. I like them better, but I am a visual guy :).

    Go to the new tech website and check them out. Price is very good, in my view


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  17. tim-ay

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    A few pictures on the original clamps vs the new ones , if that helps. I've had my machine for 4.5 years, didn't need the new ones but I upgraded when I added the wise. [​IMG][​IMG]


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  18. ElMagoElGato

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    How do you compare these? The old one should have good quality, too, but the new seems very good. I'd like to know more about usability.
     
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  19. tim-ay

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    Sure both are good. The new ones are just smoother, smaller, and easier to use. Does it impact the quality of the string job or speed? Meh- not much- but it's just a bit nicer.

    For me, a pair for 138 bucks was 100% worth it. It's not needed, so it's a personal choice.


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  20. QuadCam

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    [​IMG][/URL][/IMG] [​IMG]

    This is my custom alpha/wise setup.
     
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  21. ElMagoElGato

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    Thanks, man. A bit nicer, yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for. I've got my mind set on this.
     
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  22. struggle

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    Those "new" clamps appear to be the exact same as the current Gamma clamps.
     
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  23. tim-ay

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    Could be. I bought my dc plus in 2012.


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  24. Muppet

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    On the old clamps the block at the top of the lever handle often gets in the way of the string when installing the crosses. And the tightening wheel does the same, but not as badly. On the new clamps, it looks like they've rounded that block on one side and recessed the wheel on the other side so the string can lie straight w/o having to fuss with it. Nice update.
     
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  25. tim-ay

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    Exactly right. Less fuss! I really like them the more I use them.


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  26. am1899

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    Those of you who have fixed your tower creep...is there any consensus on the most effective method? I've heard of putting some washers in there...but it doesn't seem like that's solved the issue for everyone.

    I was thinking of trying to find some Allen head screws and matching washers - surely an Allen head screw could be tightened significantly more than the plastic turn handle screws which are provided with the machine?
     
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  27. tim-ay

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    Larger washers worked with mine. I thought about using a lock washer to add spring load but didn't, or maybe a butterfly nut. Your idea could be perfect for a difficult machine. If the washers work, it's a really cheap and easy fix though.


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  28. am1899

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    I ended up going to Lowes and getting some M8x1.25x25 SS cap screws with Allen heads, along with M8x24 washers. Everything fits fine...good and snug. Haven't strung a frame yet. Will report back.

    Edit: note that the sizes I used applied to an Alpha Axis Pro, which may not necessarily be the same size as other Alpha machines - YMMV.
     
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  29. am1899

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    Update: The towers haven't budged one bit since installing the new screws and washers.
     
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  30. DANMAN

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    That's pretty awesome. How did you manage that?
     
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  31. rchjr2091

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    I finally joined the stringing club. I bought a Worx brand work table from Lowes for it to sit on. It's a lot more to stringing than I had originally thought. It's a work in progress.
     
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  32. QuadCam

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    The cart is from Sam's club. It's a Seville UltraHD cart. It's it for stringing. I keep told in the top drawer. String packets in the 2nd. Grips, overgrips, grommets, lead tape, etc in the 3rd. I think i have a couple reels in the 4th. I don't recall what's in the 5th. The bottom is perfect for storing a case or more if tennis balls, in cans. I also keep a racquet balance board in the bottom drawer. The cart is so great. Nice locking casters, too.

    Mounting the alpha was pretty easy. I took some measurements. Also, i realized that I'd need to elevate the stringer a bit so that i could get 360* rotation and not interfere with the Wise head. I picked up all the various hardware at my local ace. They had everything. The Wise it's mounted using a bracket i fabbed up from 6061 aluminum. You could use the bracket that wise sells too. I think they call it the drop weight adapter. It's perfect for mounting the wise to a cart like i did. All the hardware to mount the stringer and the wise are bolted through the wood cart top. It's all very stable and secure.
     
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  33. am1899

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    ^^ Really cool setup there. I do wonder about the angle into the tension head. With the turntable being raised to allow 360, do you have any trouble getting the string into the gripper and having to stay put while you pull tension? Just wondering...
     
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  34. Wes

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    Since the diablo/diabolo is mounted on the Wise, the string angle entering the gripper (assuming the diablo/diabolo is used) is going to remain the same regardless of the height of the turntable/racquet.

    However, if you don't use it - then it's a different story.

    @am1899 is a pretty smart cookie. My money says that he simply didn't see the mounted diablo/diabolo in the photograph. ;)
     
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  35. QuadCam

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    I use the Diablo with gut and they are no issues. For poly, i don't wrap it around the Diablo. All works the same. I've yet to have any string slip out of the wise gripper.
     
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  36. Irvin

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    Why would you not use the diablo all the time?
     
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  37. rchjr2091

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    Loving the racquet also, I have the 98inch and 100 inch PJ .
     
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  38. QuadCam

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    Quicker to not use it. I wrap the string around the Diablo primarily when using gut just to give extra care to the gut.
     
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